Do the maths.
First fruit is your first salary for the year which is equal to one month salary for paid workers.
Then you also pay 10 percent of all your salaries for the remaining months of the years and the sum is like another one month pay..
Then you pay your partnership vow and pastors birthday vow and Sunday normal offering and you pay for reach out Nigeria and before you know it the sum may be like your two months salary.
After paying all these what do you get in return.
1. More cars and investment and exotic birthday for pastor Chris.
2. Good life for his pastors while the members still look on God to provide for the promised miracles
3. An emotional filled worship service every Sundays and Wednesdays.
4.motivational talk by pastor Chris and his pastors every Sundays and Wednesdays.
5. False lifestyle everywhere and some heretic messages which comes in once In a while( remember the last one on self service)

Christians need to wake up from slumber and do the right thing. The church is not a business entity and anybody who fleece children if God is nothing but the Anti- Christ.

na wah oo, real mugus

The reality of Nigerian Christianity.

Busybodies everywhere .
Mind ur business

Oyinprince:
Busybodies everywhere .
Mind ur business

But what I wrote up there is the absolute truth. You guys are tasked to the bone.

is it your money ??
why don't u focus on your life ??
OK if #1000 tithe is #100 is 100naira too big to give God.don't you buy drinks worth more than that??
you forget that this same Christ embassy has renovated many schools this year and bought ambulances and police cars for the government.where WHR u when pastor Chris built that auditorium for ambrose Ali university.?? or were you sleeping when Christ embassy did "day of service"??please go and download "loveworld app" from playstore and stop deceiving urself

donstevico:
is it your money ??
why don't u focus on your life ??
OK if #1000 tithe is #100 is 100naira too big to give God.don't you buy drinks worth more than that??
you forget that this same Christ embassy has renovated many schools this year and bought ambulances and police cars for the government.where WHR u when pastor Chris built that auditorium for ambrose Ali university.?? or were you sleeping when Christ embassy did "day of service"??please go and download "loveworld app" from playstore and stop deceiving urself

So that's all he could do with all the members four months salary huh? Buy police van and built an auditorium in Ambrose Ali UNiversity.
My bro four months salary no be today o. I pity for Christ embassy folks.suffering and smiling.
When I came back to ph and attended my former Christ embassy branch the first thing that my Pcf leader greeted me with is that the Pcf is to pay 50k for pastors birthday car gift and I just laughed because I know the pastor has enough money to host his birthday and buy himself a car. This is the reality bro.

lastmessenger:

So that's all he could do with all the members four months salary huh? Buy police van and built an auditorium in Ambrose Ali UNiversity.
My bro four months salary no be today o. I pity for Christ embassy folks.suffering and smiling.
When I came back to ph and attended my former Christ embassy branch the first thing that my Pcf leader greeted me with is that the Pcf is to pay 50k for pastors birthday car gift and I just laughed because I know the pastor has enough money to host his birthday and buy himself a car. This is the reality bro.

maybe you are in the wrong pcf.and pastor Chris has also warned leaders to stop giving members targets.he said giving should be by the leading of the spirit

There was a letter out that the followers of pastors christ have to give money for his birthday

That is the truth

Read about his birthday and than you will see the letter.

I know also that he has much money outside nigeria.

donstevico:






maybe you are in the wrong pcf.and pastor Chris has also warned leaders to stop giving members targets.he said giving should be by the leading of the spirit

You don't need to lie to defend pastor chris, the culture of pressurising members to give in cec emanated from pastor chris himself.

donstevico:






maybe you are in the wrong pcf.and pastor Chris has also warned leaders to stop giving members targets.he said giving should be by the leading of the spirit

Ok o but for months salary is too much na. They should take it easy on you guys.
But bros be sincere for once. Are you not tasked to the bones in CE.

lastmessenger:

Ok o but for months salary is too much na. They should take it easy on you guys.
But bros be sincere for once. Are you not tasked to the bones in CE.

nope..in the Christ embassy I attend giving is a choice.nobody forces anyone to give.

PastorKun:


You don't need to lie to defend pastor chris, the culture of pressurising members to give in cec emanated from pastor chris himself.

oga e don tey oo.who said am lieing ? am telling u the fact

donstevico:
nope..in the Christ embassy I attend giving is a choice.nobody forces anyone to give.

Nobody forces anyone to give but they apply a lot of pressure and spiritual blackmail to manipulate members into giving beyond their means.

PastorKun:


Nobody forces anyone to give but they apply a lot of pressure and spiritual blackmail to manipulate members into giving beyond their means.

nobody pressurises anyone.if you don't want to give forget it

donstevico:
nobody pressurises anyone.if you don't want to give forget it

Story we have heard too many testimonies from current and former cec members on how they are normally put under heavy pressure to give all sorts of dodgy donations.

PastorKun:


Story we have heard too many testimonies from current and former cec members on how they are normally put under heavy pressure to give all sorts of dodgy donations.

have you witnessed it personally?? or are your arguments based on hear say??

donstevico:
have you witnessed it personally?? or are your arguments based on hear say??

Yes I have

lastmessenger:

I just laughed because I know the pastor has enough money to host his birthday and buy himself a car. This is the reality bro.

who told you the money is given because he doesn't av enough to buy a car or host his birthday?

lastmessenger,
How much giving is 'acceptable'?

Pastor's Birthday Vow? Really? I give up!

Oyinprince:
who told you the money is given because he doesn't av enough to buy a car or host his birthday?

It's not because he doesn't have enough, rather it's because he is greedy that he continues to manipulate his members to give bountifully to himself.

PastorKun:


Yes I have

elaborate

Please how about those that receive their 'upfronts' in Jan. Do they also give it as first fruits? #thinkingaloud

donstevico:
nope..in the Christ embassy I attend giving is a choice.nobody forces anyone to give.

There are different ways to make a man give. Tell him he is giving to God and you see him empty his pocket for another man.
There is too much tasking in Christ embassy and you know that.

vooks:
lastmessenger,
How much giving is 'acceptable'?

Willing giving is acceptable.But what we see is men being cajoled with bible and the name of God to pay at least four month pay to CE. That's injustice.

DoubleFaith:
Please how about those that receive their 'upfronts' in Jan. Do they also give it as first fruits? #thinkingaloud

Any money you make in January is called first fruit in CE and it belongs to pastor Chris. No wonder he is very rich.

Paul in 1 Cor 9 used the Bible (Torah) to 'cajole' them to give.

1 Corinthians 9:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

How much is 'acceptable' to you? Two salaries, one salary or half a salary?

lastmessenger:

Willing giving is acceptable.But what we see is men being cajoled with bible and the name of God to pay at least four month pay to CE. That's injustice.

vooks:
Paul in 1 Cor 9 used the Bible (Torah) to 'cajole' them to give.

1 Corinthians 9:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

How much is 'acceptable' to you? Two salaries, one salary or half a salary?

I have already answered the question.if people are cajoled into giving then even if they give one dollar, it is still not acceptable.
People are cajoled to give in CE and the highest giver is even given an award. You see is more like competition.

Where do you draw the line between cajoling and simply asking believers to give?
You are unfair on Christ Embassy. Any church collecting an offering may as well be 'cajoling'

lastmessenger:

I have already answered the question.if people are cajoled into giving then even if they give one dollar, it is still not acceptable.
People are cajoled to give in CE and the highest giver is even given an award. You see is more like competition.

Partnership vow and Pastor's birthday vow? Na wa o... I just dey laff here as all e customers/members dey form defence..

vooks:
Where do you draw the line between cajoling and simply asking believers to give?
You are unfair on Christ Embassy. Any church collecting an offering may as well be 'cajoling'

I was once a member of CE. I know what I am saying. Even the sincere members. How am I unfair to CE? Is it a lie that members pay not less than their 4 months pay to CE.