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Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by ibson99(m): 10:09pm On Dec 31, 2014
Matthewbriggs:
According to Transparency international, Under Jonathan Nigerian in I year we went from 31th most corrupt country to 39th. 8steps forward

What happened? Was there actually a successful fight against corruption or did other countries just become more corrupt.
Well, this is what happened.

There are two sides to the fight. Prevention and punishment . while little has been seen regarding punishment, a lot has been done to prevent corruption. from strict banking rules, to transparent contract award and execution to more professional procurement processes and proper accounting processes. CBN, Ministry of finance and other government agencies have improved their processes to a good extent.
Is 39th most corrupt nation worth celebrating? Not at all. but Rome was not built in a day as they say.

The sad part is that all this means nothing to the Public. proper record keeping is no news. they want someone to be hanged. they want a 'big' man to be humiliated. the people want blood. and in this regard, the government gave them nothing. No politician in jail. no body to ridicule. So all the good behind the scene work has no political value. OBJ administration had terrible processes. Corruption was huge, but he gave the public the ''punishment'' they craved. Even if it was mainly visited on his political opponents, the people loved it.
This government has actually done a lot, but punishment is the only way to show you are fighting corruption. They simply did not ''show working'', thereby exposing itself to the accusation of tolerating corruption. Don't just work, be seen to be working. Its also called ''eye service''.

- A.C

He is also the first Nigerian president to grant complete independence to the EFCC.
you make it sound as if clueless GEJ is the one developing computer codes and technology you are mentioning, trust me cashless policy and easier access to information are dividends of advancement in technology which GEJ has no contributions to
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by Matthewbriggs(m): 10:16pm On Dec 31, 2014
ibson99:
you make it sound as if clueless GEJ is the one developing computer codes and technology you are mentioning, trust me cashless policy and easier access to information are dividends of advancement in technology which GEJ has no contributions to

I never mentioned anything about codes and technology in my post. I talked about strict bank rules and process.

But let's say I mentioned them. If we are to go by this logic. GEJ is not the one blowing up people and giving them bombs and guns to go and cause havoc under the guise of bokoharam... So he is not to be blamed for the insurgency problem in the north.

Inbtwn you call GEJ cluless just like A perennial presidential candidate (buhari) says the president is #Clueless yet the ONLY Federal University & Almajiri schools in HIS STATE where built by the same #Clueless president

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Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by olaweey: 12:46am On Jan 01, 2015
Matthewbriggs:
According to Transparency international, Under Jonathan Nigerian in I year we went from 31th most corrupt country to 39th. 8steps forward

What happened? Was there actually a successful fight against corruption or did other countries just become more corrupt.
Well, this is what happened.

There are two sides to the fight. Prevention and punishment . while little has been seen regarding punishment, a lot has been done to prevent corruption. from strict banking rules, to transparent contract award and execution to more professional procurement processes and proper accounting processes. CBN, Ministry of finance and other government agencies have improved their processes to a good extent.
Is 39th most corrupt nation worth celebrating? Not at all. but Rome was not built in a day as they say.

The sad part is that all this means nothing to the Public. proper record keeping is no news. they want someone to be hanged. they want a 'big' man to be humiliated. the people want blood. and in this regard, the government gave them nothing. No politician in jail. no body to ridicule. So all the good behind the scene work has no political value. OBJ administration had terrible processes. Corruption was huge, but he gave the public the ''punishment'' they craved. Even if it was mainly visited on his political opponents, the people loved it.
This government has actually done a lot, but punishment is the only way to show you are fighting corruption. They simply did not ''show working'', thereby exposing itself to the accusation of tolerating corruption. Don't just work, be seen to be working. Its also called ''eye service''.

- A.C

He is also the first Nigerian president to grant complete independence to the EFCC.
Yeah,you can really write you know.People do not want to see blood,people want to see equality.People want to know that if a goverment official commits a crime he doesn't get pardoned because he's a close ally of the President.In the streets of Nigeria,people are convicted for stealing the littlest of things,while high goverment officials are pardoned for stealing billions of naira...Even some people are in the prisons for committing no crime...If you have had a brother or sister tried for committing a crime,then you'lllike injustice was done to you if high officials who committed the same crime do not get punished.
High Officials should be punished more,strictly because they are an example to the populace.Pardoning them shows that an ordinary citizen should also be pardoned.Imagine where that will lead us too.Thank me later for bringing this things to your view.
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by Ebukaokeke5: 6:25am On Jan 01, 2015
Gbawe:
http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-not-fighting-corruption-ex-icpc-chair/


How wud he believe dere is corruption in d state wen he is chairing it.He definitely wudnt want 2 prosecute himself.However Yahweh n riteful Nigerians wud prosecute him dis year.
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by creflo22: 9:04am On Jan 01, 2015
I have been reading a lot of post on Buhari and Jonathan. What I have noticed is that people voting for Jonathan can't even articulate what he has done and why he should be returned after more than 6 years as president. I must confess I was his supporter when he first started. I was hoping that finally Nigeria has a president who is not an elite, who at some point allegedly had no shoes and who then can empathise with the issues of the common man and work had for that common man by marking fundamental changes that will finally start eliminating corruption so that got monies can actually be used to revolutionise infrastructure, rehabilitate health care, Electricity and industrialise Nigeria to the benefit of the proverbial common man. However, am surprised that what we have seen is a president who thinks (he actually believes this) stealing is not corruption (he said this with his own mouth under no duress oh), under whom we have witnessed meteoric rise and stealing of public funds among public officials, subsidy scam where sons of highly placed govt officials and politicians literally stole billions of our money with no consequence, where a politician who was convicted of grave public corruption is pardoned and is preparing to go to the Senate, where someone organised the immigration recruitment and extorted money from jobless youths and hundreds were killed at the so called recruitment scam with no consequence, where ministers are being shielded from answering questions on corruption, where custom immigration and NDLEA officials are openly demanding bribes at our airport (right at the first pot of entry into Nigeria). Where lives of Nigerian's don't matter people are being killed and kidnapped in thousands and GEJ sitting comfortably in aso rock... If we love the next generation we need change . Period! . Of course am not saying the opposition are saints. But I am convinced that buhari/Osinbajo ticket will be better than Jonathan. I would even rather have obasanjo than Jonathan. A president that went to minna hilltop house of a corrupt past leader that should be to answering for years of entrenching corruption, stealing billions and drug dealership in nigeria to beg for his support and calling him his father. what's the difference between Babangida and Abacha? The only difference is that Abacha died in office. Hasn't he been probed and made to return billions of $$ stashed abroad even in death so question is where is our billions of $$$ stolen by IBB? GEJ should be asking him that not glorifying corruption. We can use that $$ to transform our educational and health facilities. GEJ supporters only use fear mongering about buhari to support him. But what has he done tangible to arrest corruption in Nigeria and transform it? These are not trivial issues.

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Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by spankyflex(m): 10:26am On Jan 01, 2015
PassingShot:


Who are you? You are nobody!
n u are a personality?
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by spankyflex(m): 10:28am On Jan 01, 2015
naijaspeak:
Jonathan should impose the death penalty for corrupt public office holder and that will bring an end to stealing of public money. Now that we are finding it difficult to sell our crude oil our main revenue source we can not afford to tolerate looting of our treasury.

India and some of this asia countries managing to buy our crude oil may stop and we will have nothing to fall back on.

Jonathan may have to scrape the ministry of women affairs, ministry of environment etc these are money drainer.

Senators in the legislature have to take half salary.


ministry of environment should be scrap? r u for real?
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by Kay17: 12:16pm On Jan 01, 2015
Matthewbriggs:
According to Transparency international, Under Jonathan Nigerian in I year we went from 31th most corrupt country to 39th. 8steps forward

What happened? Was there actually a successful fight against corruption or did other countries just become more corrupt.
Well, this is what happened.

There are two sides to the fight. Prevention and punishment . while little has been seen regarding punishment, a lot has been done to prevent corruption. from strict banking rules, to transparent contract award and execution to more professional procurement processes and proper accounting processes. CBN, Ministry of finance and other government agencies have improved their processes to a good extent.
Is 39th most corrupt nation worth celebrating? Not at all. but Rome was not built in a day as they say.

The sad part is that all this means nothing to the Public. proper record keeping is no news. they want someone to be hanged. they want a 'big' man to be humiliated. the people want blood. and in this regard, the government gave them nothing. No politician in jail. no body to ridicule. So all the good behind the scene work has no political value. OBJ administration had terrible processes. Corruption was huge, but he gave the public the ''punishment'' they craved. Even if it was mainly visited on his political opponents, the people loved it.
This government has actually done a lot, but punishment is the only way to show you are fighting corruption. They simply did not ''show working'', thereby exposing itself to the accusation of tolerating corruption. Don't just work, be seen to be working. Its also called ''eye service''.

- A.C

He is also the first Nigerian president to grant complete independence to the EFCC.

In other words, there is more bureaucracy involved. GEJ's government is not the first to try that effort. OBJ equally reformed the public service in a manner to reduce corruption. The strict bank rules merely elongate processes. It might be a useful measure to curb corruption, that only can not deal with corruption. Corruption exists in many forms, and the form strict rules deal with is just one. Bogus contracts can lie undetected by this bank process.

Corrupt public servants are criminals similar to rapists and murderers, they naturally deserve punishment. For GEJ to think prosecuting corrupt public servants is not fighting corruption, is a big misunderstanding of his job.
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by Eziachi: 1:27pm On Jan 01, 2015
if he doesn’t believe there is corruption, you can’t hold him for not driving any anti-corruption war. If somebody doesn’t believe there is a problem then he would not be obliged to look for solution.”
That captured the current scenario superbly. Judicial judges issuing questionable injunctions like fake wedding confetti.
Till they create judicial tribunals specifically for ethics and financial crime, plus an FBI style agency with investment in forensic and cyber detective to fastrack trials, they are wasting their time.

You need to see people jailed for 50 years with mandatory 20 years serve until then, nothing will happen.
Just Imagine Alamesiegha running for a public office to make law for mortals and you claimed to be fighting corruption? That's a joke.
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by Eziachi: 1:50pm On Jan 01, 2015
OLADD:


He has been able to block age long fertilizer scams and also expunged thousands of ghost workers from the civil service. What anti-corruption is more effective than that? Let's be fair to the man. GEJ TILL 2019.
You guys can compare corruption as you like or dress it however it suit you, but the fact remains that Jonathan don't believe that stealing is somehow is not corruption. That was his own words and not a quote.
He can block few pennies from fertilizer as he like but voting billions of public money towards his personal feeding? That's called legalized corruption and abuse of position.
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by crocodile: 2:12pm On Jan 01, 2015
Pls what about the statement made by Buhari that Abacha was not corrupt ?
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by crocodile: 2:34pm On Jan 01, 2015
What we need is a standard fight against corruption! Not a standard whereby a president, if GEJ or GMB, will be telling us what corruption is or is not! We need strong institutions to fight corruption! All most of us think is if we have a strong man in power we will fight corruption better. Na lie.
Most people especially the police and judiciary are the clueless ones!
I have asked a senior policeman how many people have been arrested and prosecuted for drunkenness and drunk driving during the yuletide season? Nothing!!! What they do is to hail the guy and stop you the law abiding citizen to show your particulars.
Even if its to collect bribe, why cant they harrass that class of people? Yet they are parked outside the nightclubs etc.
A fellow was recently caught stealing on board flights from fellow passengers he sits with 'on first class cabins'. After he confessed and was handed over to the police, they claimed he couldn't be prosecuted due to the closure of the courts!
Bullshit!! Is that GEJ? Or is it that when or if GMB gets in he will force the police to charge such criminals to court?
I remember in Buhari/Idiagbon period during the saga of the 28 suitcases, he even sent his ADC to intervene! What we need is nota set of rules for commoners and another set for the elite. Also not a set of rules for the people of the south and another set for the people of the north.
Mark my words, while the people are asking for blood they should not forget too quickly where we are coming from!!!
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by Nobody: 3:52pm On Jan 01, 2015
Vote out CORRUPTION (i mean Gej)
Re: Jonathan Not Fighting Corruption – Ex-ICPC Chairman. by NlOmg: 7:30am On Jan 10, 2015

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