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|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 10:55pm On Jan 01, 2015|
Well, i wouldn't know if you have an IDOL (whether a true or false one) but as for me, i have no business with idolatory of any form. Thanks for your advice but already i've always been and am still on that; WORSHIPPING NOT JUST GOD BUT THE TRUE GOD.
"Cannot you see that these ain't true prophecies", and yet you can't give us the true prophecy. You have been criticizing that those ain't true prophecies yet you haven't helped anyone's course here by giving us the yardstick(s) for measuring true or fake prophecies.
Criticize constructively, that's when you score valuable points. Yelling out false prophecies/prophets all year long without giving us the yardstick with which these are measured is tantamount to ranting. So prove your claims.....THAT'S ALL.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 11:15pm On Jan 01, 2015|
Thanks. But i wasn't asking you to help me define the word charlatan. You asked that i give you "ONE true prohecy by THIS charlatan". And i asked you "Which charlatan exactly" because i didn't understand what you meant by THIS charlatan.
Again, the "too simple" wasn't my term. You said something like "you feel sad for the abuse of the TOO SIMPLE to see through these false prohecies". So own up to what you say and take back your term and its credit, i'm ok.
Should you be silent in the face of lies and unrighteouness? OF COURSE NOT! But should you be spreading things you don't have a CONCRETE PROOF of?
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 11:18pm On Jan 01, 2015|
The IDOL seems to be these false prophets.
I cant give you a prophesy because TRUE prophets are few and far between! However any fool can see these are guys are false.
Why would you even ask such an irrelevant question? did I ever claim to be a prophet. It is this sort of loose thinking that allows them to get away with their lies and nonsense.
The YARDSICK is SIMPLE. Cannot you figure it out for yourself?
A prophesy must be SPECIFIC - eg An airline will crash is NOT a prophesy (just an educated guess anyone can make), likewise an earthquake will happen - hundreds happen every month.
Now IF they say A (Name the Airline) flight from City A to City B will crash on March 3rd. THEN THAT IS A PROPHESY!
Also If we do not pray then this event will happen (or will fail to happen) is NOT a prophesy.
If it happens or not they will either claim credit or say we did not pray enough!
But read what these fools 'predict' and it is all vague and double meaning.
Now why did I have to explain that? It is not obvious? Perhaps your queries should be directed at the fake pastors.
Now you have your 'Yardstick'!
First Corinthians warns us about this AND abut those who pretend to speak in tongues when NO INTERPRETER is present. Sadly the followers listen to the fake pastors and NOT to the Bible.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 11:22pm On Jan 01, 2015|
CONCRETE PROOF? I am not the one making the lies merely disbelieving their. The burden of proof is on THEM not me!
Again this should be obvious.
Pick ANY of the charlatans for a 'prophesy'. They are all vague nonsense. But don't waste too much time there is nothing real there.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 12:28am On Jan 02, 2015|
You were spiritual enough to know those were false prophecies now see ain't spiritual enough again to give me a true prophecy? Hmm! Yeye dey smell.
Again, if what you just put down is your understanding of prophecy, then i'm sorry you don't know what it means to prophesy then. Isaiah prophesied of the birth of a messiah, did he tell you the date the messiah will be born? Moses was a prophet of God and spoke of someone like him who is to come in the future, did he also give you the date of his coming? Several other prophets did prophesy of Christ's coming/birth and how many of them gave us the date of birth of Christ in their prophecies, or does your understanding of prophecy now make these men false prophets too? Hmmm! I wonder who we are actually dreading now, people like you or the ones you've been all about castigating.
I know of the passages in first corinthians that had prohecy talked about in them; 1cor 12 and 1cor 14. None of them tells me what you've been saying here all these while.
ADVICE: Read again 1cor 14 properly and you'd know what prophesying actually is all about. Don't come out here deceiving people.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 12:44am On Jan 02, 2015|
Oga na wa oh! You keep beating around answers to a question. You are not the one making the lies but you are the one discerning them as lies. On what grounds do you discredit the statements, that's your PROOF. Spew it out. The burden of proving statements as lies is on the critic and not the sayer.
Give a CONCRETE PROOF to your claims......is that so difficult?
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 12:57am On Jan 02, 2015|
The burden f proof is on those MAKING the false prophesy!
The proof is that the never happen!
Come on it is very simple. Basic high school education is sufficient so it is YOU beating around the bush.
We have VAGUE statements that can mean anything masquerading as prophesy and you ask ME for proof. Ask those fakers and charlatans for proof!
Why cannot people here construct logical arguments in an unemotional manner?
The fake pastors made the statements first. They must prove them. I say they are lies because they are not consistent with what they claim to be.
It is SO simple but you do not seem to want to grasp it.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 1:01am On Jan 02, 2015|
I prophesy you will be disappointed!!!
I am not the liar claiming to be a prophet.
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ASSERTING (as in the bold) that those who cannot prophesy are not spiritual?
That is a very disingenuous argument and I cannot believe you do not realise that. Why don't you make a genuine prophesy? OH are you not spiritual either? Please don't compare these lairs with Moses etc that is bordering on Blasphemy!
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by omonnakoda: 3:57am On Jan 02, 2015|
megacool360:It is a fundamentalprinciple of logic.Anyone making a claim carries the burden to prove it. So if I say There are green men on the moon I carry the responsibility t prove it not for those who disbelieve to disprove
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by unmask: 7:29am On Jan 02, 2015|
megacool360:like I said who needs it? Certainly a Christian that says God would heal him won't need science
It's one or the other..... You either believe God is sufficient or ask science
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by Grazvi: 8:15am On Jan 02, 2015|
Positive confession and hardwork is the key to positive progress this year. By the grace of God this 2015, God will make achievement, success and promotion easy for us All!
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by vivaciousvivi(f): 9:56am On Jan 02, 2015|
RCCG for life! Praise the Lord!
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 11:01am On Jan 02, 2015|
I dont get your point please. What the guy i've been asking for proof from made, isn't that a statement? So what's your point in what you wrote? He made a statement that what somebody else said are false prophecies, so doesn't your logic also imply that he should prove that those sayings he accuse as false are false indeed? Or does your logic exonerate him from proving his statement? Now, i seriously don't get the ideology behind that your logic. Maybe you should make it clearer.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 11:13am On Jan 02, 2015|
You really dont get it do you?
The supposed prophesies ARE the statement(s).
The burden of proof is to try and support THEM!
That is how logic works!
But they cannot be proven because they are too vague and unspecific.
Please dont let your hero worship of these fake men distract you from what they are really doing.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 11:18am On Jan 02, 2015|
Now can you listen to yourself? You made the statement earlier that those are things that can just happen. You even said that hundreds of earthquakes happen hence a saying that earthquake will happen isn't a prophecy. And here you are again telling me that your PROOF is that THEY NEVER HAPPEN. Can you imagine? Hehehehe. You haven't said why you are hurting, oga.
Now it is clear who your "basic high school education" statement suits the more.
Sir you still have another opportunity. Spew out your proof that those are false prophecies like you claim. Seems it's really become so hard for you to do so.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by omonnakoda: 11:22am On Jan 02, 2015|
No!!! all prophecies BY DEFINITION are false until proven so he is not saying anything new. It is for the prophesier to prove their prophesy. Have you ever heard of the NULL HYPOTHESIS?? I suggest you study it.
That is the basis of virtually all science otherwise anyone can wake up any day and claim anything. By default we treat all UNPROVEN claims as FALSE until they are PROVEN. Claiming that a thing is false is not a claim since for a thing to be accepted it must either he been PROVEN or settled. A settled matter e.g. is that all men are innocent until proven otherwise. None of those prophesies are proven or settled so they are FALSE not because they are "lies" but because they are UNPROVEN . In logic there is no onus to prove a NEGATIVE. One does not ask a man to prove he is not a thief.It is impossible
We all "KNOW" that Goodluck Jonathan is a man. If somebody comes out and says he is a woman and another person says it is a false claim it is not for the latter to prove but the former
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 11:38am On Jan 02, 2015|
Well, let's watch out and see who'll be disappointed then.
Now not everybody can prophesy and that doesn't make those who can't unspiritual. You are just cunningly trying to drift away from the subject matter here. You were quick to realize a false prophecy and yet you can't give an example of a true prophecy.
Why shouldn't i compare with Moses? Moses was a true prophet same was Isaiah and they should be our standard to differentiate true prophets from false ones. Now again as usual, you shyed away from my question. Moses, Isaiah and some other prophets of the old prophesied about the birth/coming of Christ. How many of them told us the date he was to be born? Or does that also make them false prophets according to your explanation of prophecy?
Oga please answer my question this time and don't try to play smart on it again.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by longsam: 11:48am On Jan 02, 2015|
Amen to the prophecies.Every day of this year I will surely be fulfilled and soar like eagles.God bless My Pastor E.A.Adeboye.First monthly Holy Ghost Night holds today.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 11:51am On Jan 02, 2015|
And you still don't get it either, do you?
I don't demand of a proof to any prophecy from you because you don't even have the wherewithals to do so.
Prove your statement correct, that's what i'm asking of you. Now, i say to people an egg is oval in shape and you say to them it's false, now isn't it your duty to prove to those who ask you "WHY YOU SAY SO", why you said is false? Does your acclaimed logic not let you see that too?
Don't derail again sir and answer this very simple question i've been asking you for over 15hrs now.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 12:35pm On Jan 02, 2015|
God bless you sir. I appreciate your sincerity and wealth of knowledge. Of course you are very very right in your assertion. But that's in PHILOSOPHY and LOGIC. Hypothesis and Prophecy are two distinct and different things. One is based on scientic/human understanding and the other is based on spiritual/divine revelation.
Of course, you wouldn't expect a prophet to prove his prophecies because he doesnt have the wherewithals to do that, he is just an instrument to voice it out. God performs/proves prophecies. If not, Moses, Isaiah and other prophets would all have been termed false prophets as they didnt prove their prophecy of the birth/coming of Christ, infact it didnt even happen in their time/dispensation. It was many years after their death that the prophecy was fulfilled by God himself of course and not the prophets.
Thank God you said in SCIENCE. Science and Christianity are two parallel lines. Science is human, Christainity is divine. The wisdom of man in no form nears the foolishness of God. If prophecies are to be deemed FALSE until proven or settled like you said, then the Isrealites of the bible would have seen Moses, Isaiah and other prophets as false because the prophecy of Christ (which is the main thing they all foretold) never happened in their time. Yet, they believed it and stuck to it, passing it unto their children and children's children unto their third, fourth etc generations without seeing it proven or settled until at the appointed time, the prophecy was fulfilled. If we are also to go by your assertion, then Christ himself who prophesied of his 2nd coming soon would also be deemed as FALSE since it's yet to be proven/settled. So you see, HYPOTHESIS and PROPHECY are two different things.
And your last logic, if Mr. A says Jonathan is a woman and Mr. B says it's not true. Mr. C can ask whoever among the two he meets why he believes what he said, which is exactly what i've done. "Mr. B, you said Jonathan is not a woman, why/what are your proofs"? Are you saying it's out of place?
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by omonnakoda: 12:53pm On Jan 02, 2015|
megacool360:Of course there is a reason why we go to school. Hopefully we all did. Discussions about God are best kept to those who share that perspective. They are not a COMMON reality shared by all. Invoking God's name does not mean you speak for God rather it shows a weak argument and a weak mind, A prophesy of the type we are discussing here e.g. about SPECIFIC future events do not require much debate or distracting verbiage. Whether or not there is God and whether or not God is wise or foolish is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant. If any person comes to the public space to tell us what is going to happen tomorrow then we either have to take him seriously or confine him to the basket of charlatans. Some others before have told us we can provide you with a device that allows you to observe on a screen events that are happening simultaneously in a different continent or talk to people in a different continent of put a man in the air and fly him thousands of miles away in hours. We asked them to prove it and THEY DID. No one wll ask these so called men of god t prove it if they restricted their predictions to what will happen in heaven but when they start predicting earthly events then they must be judged by earthly standards especially when they are getting stupendously wealthy in the process.
With respect Your Mr ABC analogy is very pedestrian . Once again A PERSON DISPUTING A CLAIM has no burden. A Claimant is asking us to change our position ,our belief etc in short he seeks to change the status quo which was a state of unawareness or non-belief in his predictions . Any person insisting on the status quo in short refuting his predictions HAS NO BURDEN TO PROVE ANYTHING semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit It is always incumbent on he who asserts (a thing) to prove (it)
incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
It is incumbent on he who declares to prove not he who denies
I think you need to develop a bit more. I do not mean that as an insult,honestly but I can see you have not quite acquired the facility of analytic reasoning.
A prophesy in this context is the prediction of events based on insights purported to derived from a god or deity.This explanation of the source of the insight is a HYPOTHESIS.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 1:24pm On Jan 02, 2015|
The 'prophesies' are no specific and so are NOT prophesies! Proof enough to an intelligent person.
You don't understand burden of proof or logic.
Take you own example. You say an egg is oval you prove it by showing the egg and behold we see it is!
If you say it is a cube and I say you lie then YOU must still prove it is a cube. You show it and behold we see the lie.
The original assertion is the one requiring proof. The so called prophesies are the original statement and so it is they that must be proven.
IF I had agreed with these prophesies then the burden of proof is still to prove the prophesy true.
SIMPLE isn't it? (Or are you still confused).
Seriously though I realise that this is a ploy to divert from the fact that the so called prophesies are nonsense. I spend a LOT of time in Nigeria and its education system (although it does have some problems) is NOT so bad nor are you so stupid and ignorant that you cannot see he point.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 1:26pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Now you are being silly.
Earthquakes will happen is NOT a prophesy!
Is the Sun will rise tomorrow a prophesy? If so everybody is a prophet.
Are you so desperate? Does it upset you so much?
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 1:29pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Moses was a Holy man and in Gods favour!
The false prophets are NOT in the slightest Holy. They worship MAMMON! They fool people for money and self aggrandisement.
It is offensive to compare these charlatans (I hesitate to call them evil - let us be kind and simply say they are misguided) to proper men of God.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 1:35pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Well Mr Logic, now i see who needs to grow up and get his reasoning faculty developed; don't mean an insult either as well.
What gibberish are you all about here spewing about who told you they can provide you with a device to view whatever on screen, talk or fly to wherever? What has that got to do with the subject matter of this thread? Do you just stumble onto a thread and start blabbing around? This poo you've just said shows you don't even know "jack" about whatever it is you were trying to defend and you're busy telling me about some useless LOGIC and HYPOTHESIS. Please do yourself some good and go back and read the guy's comments to know where his arguement was actually coming from then you can come back and talk better organised and constructively. You dont come on here and exhibit some form of useless arrogance. You can keep that within the confinements of your room.
School ko, Reasoning ni. Mtchewww.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by omonnakoda: 1:41pm On Jan 02, 2015|
megacool360:Gibberish blabbing etc keep that to the confinement of your mother and father . The issue here is Adeboye's claims are rubbish full stop!!
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by Weah96: 1:59pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Atheists and agnostics exist because no one has been able to prove that God talks to human beings.
And that is the fundamental claim of the bible: God talks to people in a manner which can be verified by the problem solving mentality of ordinary deduction.
If no one is able to show that God talks to human beings, then the holy books are just books.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by megacool360(m): 4:46pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Puerile statements and behaviour. If only you had a mother and father, you sure would have been more mature intellect-wise than the poo you exhibit here. Good for you is a full stop here. Suit yourself!
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by KoloOyinbo(m): 4:55pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Somewhat off topic but I must take a different opinion here.
God can neither be proven true not proven false. So those who believe do so through FAITH.
If we could PROVE God then there is no merit in belief as it would be a simple logical proof.
Mans attempts at proving Gods existence over the last thousands of years have failed utterly (as expected) and are as futile as the pathetic attempts to prove he does no exist.
This is why we are saved "THROUGH FAITH ALONE".
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by Weah96: 5:19pm On Jan 02, 2015|
Very succinctly put. I appreciate your honesty.
However, you do see the potential for disaster in your admission, don't you? Anyone with enough "faith" can claim to be saved by the God in which they believe. This is exactly what Muslims and Hindus are doing. They really have faith just like you do.
For those of us who require that our faith be accompanied by materials, like the apostle Thomas did in the bible, all of these different Gods are themselves evidence of the fact that the one true God isn't talking to anyone. That's if there's such a thing as one true God.
Different holy books are in circulation today, each of them claiming to provide an inalterable version of what God wants us to do. Combine that with the fact that no one alive today has been able to demonstrate his or her contact with the entity called God.
There's only one conclusion for me. But I do see your point of believing the thing through faith. It is a dangerous precedent, IMO. But to each his own.
|Re: Pastor Enoch Adeboye Reveals 2015 Prophecies by Goshen360(m): 5:23pm On Jan 02, 2015|
I once said the same like you just said but alas, I was shocked to realise RCCG is worst than I thought when I started studying the word by myself and flushed out all religious, man-made and traditional interpretation out of my system. You can accept whatever when you're and infant but when you become a son\daughter, you're to dig things out by yourself by the Spirit. Give yourself time in the word and give yourself to studying of the word and prayer this year and see how much the Spirit will show you about RCCG and their doctrines of men. Be like the Bereans and you will be glad you did. If not for anything, let this be your goal\project this year especially book of romans and hebrews. You're blessed!!!
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