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| Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 4:48pm On Jan 15, 2015 |
Jesus is the most important person who has ever lived since he is the savior, God in human flesh. He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man. In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God, and was with God, and was made flesh (John 1:1,14). This means that in the single person of Jesus he has both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14). Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him," nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action": GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33) He worshiped the Father (John 17) He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:  He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5) He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1) He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37) He is prayed to (Acts 7:59) He prayed to the Father (John 17) He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15) He was tempted (Matt. 4:1) He knows all things (John 21:17) He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52) He gives eternal life (John 10:28) He died (Rom. 5: All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9) He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39) The Communicatio Idiomatum A doctrine that is related to the Hypostatic Union is the communicatio idiomatum (Latin for "communication of properties"  . This is the teaching that the attributes of both the divine and human natures are ascribed to the one person of Jesus. This means that the man Jesus could lay claim to the glory He had with the Father before the world was made (John 17:5), claim that He descended from heaven (John 3:13), and also claim omnipresence (Matt. 28:20). All of these are divine qualities that are laid claim to by Jesus; therefore, the attributes of the divine properties were claimed by the person of Jesus.One of the most common errors that non-Christian cults make is not understanding the two natures of Christ. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. They repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try to set them against Scripture showing that Jesus is also divine. On the other hand, the Christian Scientists do the reverse. They focus on the Scriptures showing Jesus' divinity to the extent of denying His true humanity. For a proper understanding of Jesus and, therefore, all other doctrines that relate to Him, His two natures must be properly understood and defined. Jesus is one person with two natures. This is why He would grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) yet know all things (John 21:17). He is the Divine Word that became flesh (John 1:1,14). The Bible is about Jesus (John 5:39). The prophets prophesied about Him (Acts 10:43). The Father bore witness of Him (John 5:37; 8:18). The Holy Spirit bore witness of Him (John 15:26). The works Jesus did bore witness of Him (John 5:36; 10:25). The multitudes bore witness of Him (John 12:17). And, Jesus bore witness of Himself (John 14:6; 18:6). Other verses to consider when examining His deity are John 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:6-8; and 2 Pet. 1:1. 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Right now, there is a MAN in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 5:04pm On Jan 15, 2015 |
OTHER HUMAN ATTRIBUTES OF JESUS ARE; JESUS WEPT JESUS WAS HUNGRY JESUS SLEPT WHEN HE WAS IN THE BOAT WITH PETER AND OTHER DISCIPLES... 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dolphinheart(m): 9:10pm On Jan 15, 2015 |
While jesus walked the earth, did he have the two natures in him ? |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 7:18am On Jan 16, 2015 |
dolphinheart: yes,Jesus exhibited the two nature when he was on earth...on his human nature to show that man can also walk with God just like he did. also on his divine nature to maintain His DEITY AS GOD in the flesh. 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 8:10am On Jan 16, 2015 |
If anybody have any questions about this...you can ask me for clarity... |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by CANTICLES: 10:52am On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345: I have 3 questions .... But lets start with one 1) If Jesus is a God-man , how could he have died ?? |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 11:09am On Jan 16, 2015 |
CANTICLES: Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. JESUS IS NOT GOD-MAN, the two natures are separate. with His human nature, he was to show us as example how to walk with God experiencing the same thing we experience shown by his human attributes listed in the write up until He is made perfect... heb 4:16 says For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Because of His human nature,He was able to die for our sin. |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by Kei144(m): 11:40am On Jan 16, 2015 |
The problem people have is that they do not understand who God is. Do you know that God is the power of the universe? If you know who/what God is, you won't be imagining that God came as Jesus Christ. What really happened is that God manifested in Jesus Christ through His Spirit. It is just like comparing being at the surface of the sun with being in the Sahara Desert at noon during Summer. Even though the heat in the Sahara Desert is from the sun, the magnitude of the heat at the surface of the sun cannot be compared with Sahara Desert heat. Re. 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. Re. 4:3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne. Re. 4:4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. Re. 4:5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits [Or the sevenfold Spirit] of God. Can you see how the presence of God is described? Flashes of lightning, rumblings, pearls of thunder--excessive energy! Can you also see the lamps (spirits) blazing? It is the light of the lamps that reaches the earth. The light was in Jesus Christ. Jn. 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood [Or darkness, and the darkness has not overcome] it. Jn. 1:6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. Jn. 1:7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. Jn. 1:8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. Jn. 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. [Or This was the true light that gives light to every man who comes into the world] Jn. 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognise him. https://www.nairaland.com/2053695/manifestation-god-human-being |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 11:55am On Jan 16, 2015 |
[quote author=Kei144 post=29841494][size=12pt]The problem people have is that they do not understand who God is. Do you know that God is the power of the universe? If you know who/what God is, you won't be imagining that God came as Jesus Christ. What really happened is that God manifested in Jesus Christ through His Spirit. It is just like comparing being at the surface of the sun with being in the Sahara Desert at noon during Summer. Even though the heat in the Sahara Desert is from the sun, the magnitude of the heat at the surface of the sun cannot be compared with Sahara Desert heat. @Kei144, b4 u can undastand this, you must first undastand the mystery of trinity, GOD in 3 PERSONS, GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT...they are 3 different entity in one. 3 in 1 GOD...THE BEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN TRINITY IS by using water in the 3 states...GAS, LIQUID AND SOLID STATE...in different form but the same substance(WATER) |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by CANTICLES: 12:01pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345: Alright ........ If this doctrine is true , Did Jesus continue to possess a human body in heaven ?? |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dolphinheart(m): 12:43pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345: So the devil is right then!, that man cannot serve God without Gods influence. |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 12:47pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
CANTICLES: YES...presently a man is sitting down at the right hand of GOD presently making intercession for us. to come and partake of the same inheritance.. bible says in 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN CHRIST JESUS." Right now, there is a MAN in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus. APOSTLE JOHN IN HIS REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST INrev1 vs 10-18. in vs 18 says...I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am ALIVE for FOREVERMORE, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. In this verse, note that spirit doesnt die, but JESUS SAID I LIVE FOREVERMORE...this is JESUS IN HIS human form/resurrected human form. And if you doubt, i hope you believe in rapture or ressurrection..while did God need ur body being transformed during rapture into his glorious form or while while the dead during ressurection or rapture have to get their body back...the sea and the grave releasing the body of those dead. JESUS died for YOUR SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY and He get them all back. HE PAID FOR THEM ALL AND MUST GET ALL BACK WHEN HE COMES BACK... |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 12:54pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345: to add to it further, AFTER JESUS WAS RESURRECTED,the bible says He was still around for 40 days, seen by his disciples, where was he sleeping? even when the door was closed, the passed thru the door and appeared to His disciples including doubting THOMAS who dig his hands into the scars in his hand and legs(showing Jesus still have bones and flesh after ressurection). No wonder while thomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD... 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by davien(m): 1:08pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
confusion in christianity  |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 1:49pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
davien:@davien there is no confusion in christianity except you are reading the scripture with a carnal mind. and besides, this is God way by which he want to redeem Man...not Man's own way...not Man's own idea... |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 1:58pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Yes, the devil is right, there is no way Man can serve GOD without GOD's help. THATS WHY we must be totally dependent on GOD for HELP...Its stil part of man self centeredness that make him feel he can serve and please God by his power. the bible says THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH( FAITH IN GOD) NOT by man power or else it will become religion which is not acceptable by GOD...EVEN JESUS CHRIST IN OVERCOMING SATAN DEPEND TOTALLY ON GOD TO HELP HIM...bible says concerning JESUS IN HEB 5V7 ...7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by davien(m): 2:00pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345:Then why are there over 40,000 denominations with mutually exclusive things in christianity? Okay,can you tell me if the bible should be taken literally or metaphorically? |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 2:35pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
davien: i agree with ur observation but its not suppose to be so...the focus of every living church is to point people to christ...christianity is able people with sin coming to jesus christ for salvation...not just being BORN AGAIN...not just accepting him as ur saviour but also as your lord...when we accept him as our saviour in being born again...but without accepting him as our lord in leading in the new way(tranforming us) which is contrary to the old way we were treading b4 we come to him... the reason why we have so many denomination today is because different churches or denomination focus on a part or different aspect/counsel/giftings of God and form a doctrine around it without having the whole counsel of God...some on healing, prosperity,deliverance,dos and donts of the law, some accept the lord saving power and not his lordship and so on. As a result they fall short of the whole counsel of God. The whole conSEL of God should center on CHRIST and nothing else...paul says I PREACH NOTHING BUT CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED...that is the purpose of the church...of christianity and nothing else. the purpose of the five fold ministry...apostle,prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher is to focus on christ...in bringing people to the full stature of christ and not the goodies from God...ephesian 4v11-15 tell us thw whole counsel of God as shown..11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by davien(m): 3:04pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345:Okay...so is there anything that you think can bring them all together or would they forever be divided... |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 3:57pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
davien:Yes, God is going to bring unity back to His Church, the church is His body, the church is his bride, He is already purging it of chaffs and impurities, He is going to present it blameless, glorious, spotless. He is purifying the church presently…can’t you see what is going on in the church all over the world, the confusion, the frustration, people are tired of the status quo, the emptiness in the church, the corruption,the worldliness in the church, the lack of power, life and freshness, the lack of inner satisfaction that is xteristics of a living church…people want more of God, there gat to be more to what we are experiencing in the church…this is the yearning of our soul presently. GOD IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIVING,AWAKENING HIS CHURCH.I WAS ONCE IN THAT STATE about 5-6 years ago, tired of church going, tired of the activities that kept me busy going to the church…the confusion why reading the scriptures, the contradicting verses of the church…bible says I am this but in reality I am not…I just hate everything about God, Christianity and the bible but just av to go to please my pastor and my family…but thank God for his mercy when I found a company of believer who preaches Christ and live his life…that’s the happiest thing that every happen to me…5 years ago and still counting…God delivered me from shackles of religion and brought me to experience his reality, now I can relate with his person…He is so real to me than anything in this world and I am praying God will bring everyone to His reality…but my only fear as I journey with God everyday is the future in him…I am scared(great excitement, wonders) of the glorious things that are hidden in him…the depth in God is unfathomable…I thought of men like David, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, Paul, Peter and many others who walked with God, they must have experience this fear/excitement as they walked with God. These and even much more is what God is going to do with his church IN THIS LAST DAY… |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by davien(m): 4:07pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345:And where did you get all this info? |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 4:40pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
davien: from my head, as a result of 4 years of hearing of God's word,teaching on christ, his dealings in my life and many other christian books and also as a resulting of constant communing with God. You know Christianity not all about obeying do and dont and about the bible only...the essence of the bible and christianity is to know the lord of the book not just the book of the lord. as you fellowship with his word, christ will start communing with you thru your thought and many other ways...thats is the work of the holy spirit. the bible say of the holy spirit...John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. this is the work of the holy spirit to teach you even as ur pastor continue to teach you... if you are born again, then the holy spirit is in you already...just feed him with the word and you will see him comunning with you even in your thought...this is the way i can illustrate the holy spirit...he is like a seed in the ground,seed may be in the ground without water, may be dormant becos there is no water(word) but when constant water comes(word of God,teachings,preaching), it will sprout out...thats the same way the holy spirit works...its always in our ,we only need to water it or feed it with the rigth food to grow/respond... |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 4:43pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345: @davien and others, if you av any question or want clarity, i will be online 2moro btw 8am and 5pm...thanks. |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by davien(m): 4:59pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345:Thank you |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by Kei144(m): 5:49pm On Jan 16, 2015 |
dd12345: You are not aware how much harm the trinity doctrine woven by Romans has done to Christianity. Trinity is one of the reasons why Jews believe that Jesus is a false messiah, and hence that Christianity is fake. Unfortunately, the Jews do not know that trinity is an invention of Romans and was never taught by Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by johnydon22(m): 1:19am On Jan 17, 2015 |
Yeah a guy without an earthly father is a man?.... lmao in greek mythology they are called demi-gods... human mother, spirit father (gods)....example perseus and hercules. . . am still wondering how y'all still say jesus was a man when y'all also said he aint gat no earthly father... Damn, dude's a demi-god mehn |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by CANTICLES: 1:59pm On Jan 17, 2015 |
dd12345: So flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God ?? So Jesus is still been affected by the weakness of man ?? So Jesus was lyin when he told the disciples that his body and blood will be sacrificed for mankind whereas, he will still have them back ?? ( Luke 22: 19,20) ! So the apostle peter was fooling us when he said Jesus was killed in flesh but was made alive as a spirit being (1pet 3:18) was killed in a physical body ( human) but was raised in A " Spiritual Body" 1 Cor 15:44 ?? 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dolphinheart(m): 3:29pm On Jan 17, 2015 |
Kei144: The Egyptians had trinity Gods when the isrealites where with them , when jehovah liberated them and in other to clear their mind and show them the truth about his person , he told them ,"jehovah ur God is one jehovah ", not three in one or one in three parts. Satan then used other religious nations like the babylonians without reasonable results before he then used the romans. But in an attempt to stay to the truth giving to them by their God, they threw away the baby with the baffing water. They did not shift the dirt out but rather rejected everything they heard about jesus, first mainly for political reasons and secondly an attempt to safeguard their beliefs. The romans really do have part blame . |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by johnw74: 12:24am On Jan 19, 2015 |
As far as I know the Christian trinity doctrine is the only one which believes in God being one God, and that God is three persons in one God, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Other than Christian trinity believers, believe that God is a combination of three gods, or that God has three heads, or that god has a human father and mother. No trinity doctrine is the same as the Christian trinity doctrine. There is no problem for most with the Father being God. and as the Son was the Word who also is God, so Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, and their should not be a problem in believing the Holy Spirit is God, God is Spirit and the Holy Spirit can be no other than God. . |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by CANTICLES: 6:49am On Jan 19, 2015 |
johnw74:relax, its not one its THREE GODS U said Jesus is God, so why deny Mary as the mother of God ?? Ar u confused ?
OK... 1st person and God
2nd person and God the Holy Spirit is God, 3rd Person And God CONGRAT ! YOU HAVE JUST PROVED IT THAT YOUR CHRISTIANITY WORSHIP 3 GODS ! |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by malvisguy212: 7:03am On Jan 19, 2015 |
dd12345:God bless you bro. |
| Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by dd12345: 11:29am On Jan 19, 2015 |
CANTICLES:@CANTICLES..yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...paul is right...but you need to undastand the context in wwhich paul is saying it...paul is speaking about the state of a fallen man which cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD. What do we make of the statement in 1 Cor. 15:50-56 that “flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does this mean that we will be spirits? That only certain people will go to heaven? The expression “flesh and blood” occurs only five times in the New Testament. We need to define our definition of its meaning from the overall teachings. If we examine the following references we see the writers are often speaking of 'flesh and blood” as being synonymous with “fallen man”, just as it is of the physical body. If you substitute the words “fallen man” (unregenerate) in the place of “flesh and blood” we can understand better what Paul is conveying. Sometimes the word for flesh (sarx) is used literally (as in Heb.10:20) Sometimes it is used in a figurative manner as in Rom.8:9 (you are not in the flesh but the Spirit). Meaning the new nature rules over the old. Matthew 16:13-17: “Flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee but my Father who is in heaven.” Is this speaking of the physical flesh, or the corrupt nature of man not revealing Christ's identity to Peter? It came from God who is Spirit. Galatians 1:16: “Straightway I conferred not with flesh and blood.... “ Obviously Paul was not referring to the physical flesh but rather to corrupt and sinful man. |
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