barcanista:
@OP Ojukwu joined as a graduate and straight to be commissioned. He never had to pass throught any NDA.

Buhari joined with SSCE or SS3 and straight to NDA. He got commissioned after graduating from NDA. This isn't different from what is obtained today. What is your point?
Ojukwu did not rise to the peak of his army career because he declared a War against the State. Which is treasonable and get him fired by Gowon administration (you may disagree though). Hence, he paused as a Colonel. Buhari remained in the Army and became Head of State, he was left in his Major General rank because the new junta retired him. He would have been a full General if he had served out his years of service.
What is your argument?

barcanista:
@OP Ojukwu joined as a graduate and straight to be commissioned. He never had to pass throught any NDA.

Buhari joined with SSCE or SS3 and straight to NDA. He got commissioned after graduating from NDA. This isn't different from what is obtained today. What is your point?
Ojukwu did not rise to the peak of his army career because he declared a War against the State. Which is treasonable and get him fired by Gowon administration (you may disagree though). Hence, he paused as a Colonel. Buhari remained in the Army and became Head of State, he was left in his Major General rank because the new junta retired him. He would have been a full General if he had served out his years of service.
What is your argument?

PhockPhockMan:
Still reacting to General Tarfa's claim that in their time, there was no need for school certificate before entering the Nigerian Army, yet Ojukwu Joined the same army with Oxford University Degree.
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PLEASE READ.

Emeka, as he was fondly called, began his educational career in Kings College, Lagos in southwestern Nigeria. He got into trouble by participating in anti-colonial demonstrations with such seniors as Anthony Enahoro. At 13, his father sent him overseas to Great Britain to study at Epsom College, England. He left Epsom at 18 for Lincoln College, Oxford. At Oxford University, he obtained a bachelor’s degree in modern history. After graduate studies, he retuned to colonial Nigeria. This was in 1956.


http://logbaby.com/encyclopedia/the-biography-of-lat_13071.html#.VOAKDJko9zQ
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This is the same army Buhari claimed he joined with principal letter ODUMEGWU OJUKWU joined with Oxford University degree.
Is there any reason Buhari should not bring his certificate he joined army with?

pazienza:


GEJ is the best thing that has happened to Nigeria since 1966.

No human group is inferior to the other. Enthrone and enforce merit, and watch the Northerners lift up their standards and compete favourably with everyone else,once they see that there is no other alternative means to compete.

[/b]Injustice is when an Eagle is forced to walk to accommodate the chicken that has wings like the eagle, but has gotten too fat and too lazy to fly like the Eagle[b].

GEJ represents Equity,merit, justice and fairness, these are qualities that form the foundation of every successful nation on earth, qualities Nigeria lacked pre GEJ era.

mikeansy:
OBJ said he joined the Army 4 year before Buhari and was required to show that he passed WASC at least

So why was OBJ required to provide WASC when Buhari can just make it up?

barcanista:
@OP Ojukwu joined as a graduate and straight to be commissioned. He never had to pass throught any NDA.

Buhari joined with SSCE or SS3 and straight to NDA. He got commissioned after graduating from NDA. This isn't different from what is obtained today. What is your point?
Ojukwu did not rise to the peak of his army career because he declared a War against the State. Which is treasonable and get him fired by Gowon administration (you may disagree though). Hence, he paused as a Colonel. Buhari remained in the Army and became Head of State, he was left in his Major General rank because the new junta retired him. He would have been a full General if he had served out his years of service.
What is your argument?

fortune29:
Ojukwu joining the army with a bachelor's degree doesnt mean anyone who joined with wasc isnt qualified. These days people join graduate trainee in organisations like shell for instance with a phd while some join with just a bsc. only the army can decide what is enough to join them

PhockPhockMan:
Save your long story. According to you, Buhari joined the Nigerian Army with SSCE, Why is it becoming impossible by the day to bring it so that all of us will rest.

dokyOloye:
NDA was established in 1964 wt d current defence minister Gusau as a member of d 1st set.Dont misinform people.

dokyOloye:
NDA was established in 1964 wt d current defence minister Gusau as a member of d 1st set.Dont misinform people.

PAINGAIN:
This tin get as e be o. University degree vs recommendation letter. Uni degree - colonel, recommendation letter- general, chai!

barcanista:
Well, so far there isn't any proof to disclaim Buhari's SSCE. His secondary school had issued him with result statement. His record showed that the army accepted him with his SS3, before he dis the WASC. What is even the bone of contention?

PhockPhockMan:
But I heard he said he joined the Army with his principal's recommendation letter. Even the Army said it, why are you defending corruption just because it involved your General?

Longeria:
Isn't that shameful such an elderly man is making such statement?
It's unfortunate.

pazienza:



Because the recruitment exercise then was merit based, enthrone merit and the east dominates.

It was obvious why the war victors first move was to replace merit with mediocrity aka quota system/ federal character, as that was the only way they could prevent Igbo re emergence and dominance,and in so doing, they sealed the fate of Nigeria as a failed state.

Buhari and some northerners were drafted into the army, even though they didn't meet the minimum requirement,because they were the best the North could offer. So few of them were picked to give the north some representation.

The colonial Army was merit based, it shouldn't be a surprise that the North/west were poorly represented in the colonial army.

barcanista:
Am I disputing the Army? I said the Army accepted him with his SS3 as evident by the recommendation letter. Buhari claimed to have did his WASC that same year. I will not defend corruption deliberately, but if the army had accepted the letter, then I see no fault of Buhari

ovadoze:

Try to understand before you qoute or @ least format you brain to remove tribalism. What is being said is that Ojukwu joined the army as a graduate and someone is claiming that WASC was not required then before joining the military, what you just posted above confirms that Buhari joined the army through the back door. If Adegboyega and co joined the army as a graduate why should Buhari join without ordinary WASC?? I hpe u understand now!!!

pazienza:



Because the recruitment exercise then was merit based, enthrone merit and the east dominates.

It was obvious why the war victors first move was to replace merit with mediocrity aka quota system/ federal character, as that was the only way they could prevent Igbo re emergence and dominance,and in so doing, they sealed the fate of Nigeria as a failed state.

Buhari and some northerners were drafted into the army, even though they didn't meet the minimum requirement,because they were the best the North could offer. So few of them were picked to give the north some representation.

The colonial Army was merit based, it shouldn't be a surprise that the North/west were poorly represented in the colonial army.

Whynotthetruth:




For now, you haven't condemned this corrupt act of your saint buhari. Don't condemn it with tongue in cheek...Use the right words to condemn him and his act of corruption same way you would have given it to GEJ...

Kindly answer these questions deduced from your post, it will help you to dedicate a new thread condemning Buhari as corrupt with no integrity...

1) Do you get a job before or after submitting your certificate?

2)How right is it to secure employment and later as you said go to write the qualification examination(a prerequisite for the said employment)?

3)If the army employed him without requisite qualification, what does it say about the system then?

4)If Buhari generously benefited from a corrupt system of employment skewed in his favour back then; what is buhari? Is he corrupt or a man of integrity?

5)If the military did such despicable act of shifting goal post; so is it Jonathan now, that's responsible for the wrath therein? or is Jonathan simply a victim of grand conspiracy for daring to change the status quo especially being a "bloody civilian"

6)If Buhari scales through with this fraud; what foundation has he succeeded in laying here? corruption and mediocrity or otherwise??.

let your conscience guide you while answering...thank you...

OrlandoOwoh:

When Buhari joined the Army in 1962/3, it was still under a British GOC, Everad.

PhockPhockMan:
With these questions, you've chased barcanista and his fellow APChickens away from this thread.

PhockPhockMan:
With these questions, you've chased barcanista and his fellow APChickens away from this thread.

OrlandoOwoh:

WASC was the minimum qualification. It was the same thing people like Nzeogwu, Nwawo, Obasanjo, Abacha, Jemibewon, Muhammad, Ya'radua, Danguma, etc entered with.

cuteboy2:


[s]Thank you for confirming that English and Mathematics were "part of the criteria".[/s]

[s]But were those criteria mutually exclusive?? The obvious answer is NO!!!
[/s]
[s]The basic requirement was credit in English and Mathematics + 3 other subjects, IN ADDITION TO recommendation from a public officer, in this case his school Principal.[/s]

2. To pass the School Certificate, candidates had to pass examinations in a variety of groups. It was compulsory to pass English Language, but not Maths, in order to gain the Certificate.

pazienza:


Read my post well again. The north had to be given so form of representation, yet the colonials knew they were unqualified,and didn't try to make their numbers to equal those of the qualified easterners.

Firefire:
The evil of quota system and born to rule mentality now in the open...


Fraudulent Generals

TheOtherview:


You think they are listening?

Here is my response to another commentator, on a different thread.



Wrong on all counts!

Whether you like it or not, back then, the basic educational requirement for admission to the Officer Corps was a West African School Certificate or equivalent. Now here is the clincher; maths was not a pre-requisite for the West African School Certificate (WASC) in the early '60s.

Source:http://www.cambridgeassessment.org.uk/news/statement-in-response-to-nigerian-presidential-election-enquiries/

See image attached for further details on entry qualifications. Source: The Nigerian Military: A Sociological Analysis of Authority and Revolt 1960-67 (African Studies), Robin Luckham

OrlandoOwoh:

As at 1965/6, Ojukwu and Ifeajuna were the only easterners that joined the Army with university degrees. The rest were not more qualified than their fellow northern officers.

pazienza:



Because the recruitment exercise then was merit based, enthrone merit and the east dominates.

It was obvious why the war victors first move was to replace merit with mediocrity aka quota system/ federal character, as that was the only way they could prevent Igbo re emergence and dominance,and in so doing, they sealed the fate of Nigeria as a failed state.

Buhari and some northerners were drafted into the army, even though they didn't meet the minimum requirement,because they were the best the North could offer. So few of them were picked to give the north some representation.

The colonial Army was merit based, it shouldn't be a surprise that the North/west were poorly represented in the colonial army.

PhockPhockMan:
Then point Easterners who entered army with his principal's recommendation letter like Buhari and co.

PhockPhockMan:
Well said.
I wish this thread is against Jonathan, it would have been dancing SHOKI on front page.

Diaris God o o.

Whynotthetruth:




For now, you haven't condemned this corrupt act of your saint buhari. Don't condemn it with tongue in cheek...Use the right words to condemn him and his act of corruption same way you would have given it to GEJ...

Kindly answer these questions deduced from your post, it will help you to dedicate a new thread condemning Buhari as corrupt with no integrity...

1) Do you get a job before or after submitting your certificate?

2)How right is it to secure employment and later as you said go to write the qualification examination(a prerequisite for the said employment)?

3)If the army employed him without requisite qualification, what does it say about the system then?

4)If Buhari generously benefited from a corrupt system of employment skewed in his favour back then; what is buhari? Is he corrupt or a man of integrity?

5)If the military did such despicable act of shifting goal post; so is it Jonathan now, that's responsible for the wrath therein? or is Jonathan simply a victim of grand conspiracy for daring to change the status quo especially being a "bloody civilian"

6)If Buhari scales through with this fraud; what foundation has he succeeded in laying here? corruption and mediocrity or otherwise??.

let your conscience guide you while answering...thank you...

Whynotthetruth:






but their hypocrisy hurts my heart real big especially from men like barcanista...do they really believe in being role models?