http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/872194/Atheist-bus-campaign-draws-48-complaints

The other side of the coin.I wonder what will happen with this kind of advert pasted on public transports in places like america and nigeria,or in other words,may be there is no allah pasted on buses in iran?

That is a funny one redsun, religious hypocrisy at work again isn't it? but men, if you try that stuff in any of this fundamental muslim countries; heads will roll and I mean literarily.

redsun:

http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/872194/Atheist-bus-campaign-draws-48-complaints

The other side of the coin.I wonder what will happen with this kind of advert pasted on public transports in places like america and nigeria,or in other words,may be there is no allah pasted on buses in iran?

there has already been a simialr campaign in america, which says something like; There's probably no God but be Good for Goodness sake,

lol

Freedom of speech! I dont think this advert is something offensive and doesnt particularly affect anyone in person just like every other advert!

Now i am sure Salman Rushdie would be having a laugh after writing the Satanic Verses!

mad man says in his heart there is no God

"There's probably no God "

Why can't they just say it affirmatively? Aren't they sure?

A_K_O:

"There's probably no God "

Why can't they just say it affirmatively? Aren't they sure?

conscience is the problem. That's why they are forever heckling christians . . . they really arent sure if they are the right path.
If they knew assuredly that God didnt exist they wont even bother with christians at all.

'Probably' suggests to me that a statistical calculation has been made. I wonder what the criteria for this calculation was. What is the probability in percentage terms that they arrived at? Can the advertisers be sued for using wrong facts because of their probability calculations.

davidylan:

conscience is the problem. That's why they are forever heckling christians . . . they really arent sure if they are the right path.
If they knew assuredly that God didnt exist they wont even bother with christians at all.

A_K_O:

"There's probably no God "

Why can't they just say it affirmatively? Aren't they sure?

They are only saying the truth the way it is, it is a fallacy to say for certain that there is no God, if what you mean by God is a sentient being responsible for the creation of the Universe, but whether he does for a fact exist and is the God of the Quran, the Allah of the bible , Buddah, Krishna or any other God you can come up with in the confines of your house is a different matter entirely.
Some peeps stupidly beleive that when people question the existence of God, they are only referring to the God of the bible.

Pastor AIO:

'Probably' suggests to me that a statistical calculation has been made. I wonder what the criteria for this calculation was. What is the probability in percentage terms that they arrived at? Can the advertisers be sued for using wrong facts because of their probability calculations.

Pastor, why don't all the people you preach your fables to sue you for being fraudulent? if you are well conversant with probability theory you would know that a certainty in probability is represented by 1 and an impossibility is represented by 0. Anything which lies between 1 and 0 has a probability which in this case is not given because it is an unknown.

If you are considering suing the advertisers, the burden of proof will lie with you to prove either the impossibility or certainty of God's existence, a feat which both Atheists and Theists alike have been unable to achieve so far. This Advert in reality is not Atheistic but Agnostic in its message.

Good,there is nothing bad about that,freedom to believe what you want.

That is what happens when freedom is taken to certan heights. Cant you all see what the British and American societies have become in terms of morals?

They think nothing of doing terrible things. Kids taking knives to school in societies where there is relative safety and comfort. Kids going on shooting sprees because the society tells them their lives are meaningless. A society that does not know God is a society that will be full of people whose lives have no meaning.

When they 'enjoy' briefly and realise that there is no deep satisfaction in what they consider to be enjoyment, their lives go pear shaped.

the advertising standards council people wont let you pass lies as an advert therefore the word probably has to come in because they will never ever be sure at least not in this lifetime

duduspace:

Pastor, why don't all the people you preach your fables to sue you for being fraudulent? if you are well conversant with probability theory you would know that a certainty in probability is represented by 1 and an impossibility is represented by 0. Anything which lies between 1 and 0 has a probability which in this case is not given because it is an unknown.

If you are considering suing the advertisers, the burden of proof will lie with you to prove either the impossibility or certainty of God's existence, a feat which both Atheists and Theists alike have been unable to achieve so far. This Advert in reality is not Atheistic but Agnostic in its message.

Hey, when did you see me preaching fables. If you are not careful I will sue you for fraudulent libel.

In common usage of the word probable (not the mathematical jargon) when someone says that something is probably the case they mean that it is highly likely. of course where do you draw the line of a likelihood that is high and that which is low.

Anyway, if Carlsberg can get away with being probably the best lager in the world then I suppose they will get away too.

Pastor AIO:

Hey, when did you see me preaching fables. If you are not careful I will sue you for fraudulent libel.

In common usage of the word probable (not the mathematical jargon) when someone says that something is probably the case they mean that it is highly likely. of course where do you draw the line of a likelihood that is high and that which is low.

Anyway, if Carlsberg can get away with being probably the best lager in the world then I suppose they will get away too.

Why are you denying your name now? I beleive that in every possible use of the word (not only in common usage), a pastor is someone who preaches or should I sue you for impersonating a pastor and deceiving us all on the forum?

Probability in any way you use it does introduces an element of uncertainty which of course is why people lie (in attempting to convince others of their point of view for all types of gain yu can think of). If you're implying in any way that these guys should be sanctioned for this message, then all manstream religious figures should be in jail or even in some circumstances be taken out and shot.

JustGood:

That is what happens when freedom is taken to certan heights. Cant you all see what the British and American societies have become in terms of morals?

They think nothing of doing terrible things. Kids taking knives to school in societies where there is relative safety and comfort. Kids going on shooting sprees because the society tells them their lives are meaningless. A society that does not know God is a society that will be full of people whose lives have no meaning.

When they 'enjoy' briefly and realise that there is no deep satisfaction in what they consider to be enjoyment, their lives go pear shaped.

Do the Nigerians that believe in the existence of a God/Gods live better lives than the Americans or the British? Kids are being killed in Nigeria because of Religion, Who are those living a life of more meaning the British society that is Godless or the very religious Nigerian society? your entire post is a joke.

davidylan:

conscience is the problem. That's why they are forever heckling christians . . . they really arent sure if they are the right path.
If they knew assuredly that God didnt exist they wont even bother with christians at all.

If Christains assuredly know that Allah doesn't exist they wont even bother with Moslems at all.

"There's probably no God"

  . . . that's the best the brilliant, educated, liberated thinking atheist activists could come up with? 

JeSoul (f)
Inside an Isreali F-15 Fighter Jet
Posts: 1545

Killing over a 1000 innocent Palestinian women and children abi? 

*Warning: Offtopic below*

manmustwac:

JeSoul (f)
Inside an Isreali F-15 Fighter Jet
Posts: 1545

Killing over a 1000 innocent Palestinian women and children abi?

  my brotha, nobody hurts more than me at the needless death of innocent people . . .  but Hamas brought this on themselves, the blood is on their turban. Isreal left them alone in Gaza but no they kept firing tens of rockets a day at Isreal . . . where were your tears when they were "killing innocent Isreali women and children"?    Hamas can end this violence if they stop a war that they first initiated.

  As for me, I remain in my fighter jet until the "murderHamas" are wiped out or crippled beyond repair.

JeSoul:

*Warning: Offtopic below* my brotha, nobody hurts more than me at the needless death of innocent people . . . but Hamas brought this on themselves, the blood is on their turban. Isreal left them alone in Gaza but no they kept firing tens of rockets a day at Isreal . . . where were your tears when they were "killing innocent Isreali women and children"? Hamas can end this violence if they stop a war that they first initiated.

As for me, I remain in my fighter jet until the "murderHamas" are wiped out or crippled beyond repair.

Nobody weeps more than you? Then why do u support the war then? And how can you compare over 1000 dead palestinians to just just 13 dead israelis? The rockets are not doing any damage apart from making israelis scared. How can you compare that with what is happening in Gaza? Your inside your fighter jet killing 4 innocent civilians for every Hamas freedom fghter and u decieve yourself by saying that your weeping.

Well in the end whether they like it or not both parties have to negotiate because this war will not stop Hamas fighting to end the occupation. Trust me

Maybe we should make a topic for this cos I don't want to derail this thread.

Anyways, I said nobody "hurts" more than me, not weeps. Those are 2 very different things. Isreal is justified in the attack, but I regret the loss of innocent lives. That's what I meant. What about the cowardly "freedom fighters" hiding behind women & children? using them as human shields so they can run crying to the UN about "Isreal killing women & children".

Lemme ask you: if you have a bank robbery with 2 armed robbers - do you send only 2 cops to the bank to get them? So all this proportional talk needs to stop. There's no such thing, Isreal should not apologize for being stronger, larger and more powerful cos if Hamas had the chance they would nuclear bomb their behinds back to the stone age.

I don't think any person with a knowledge of history expects the fighting to ever stop. They've been fighting since the earth was young, they will continue until the earth passes away. I stay on the side of common sense: Hamas stop rocketing Isreal, Isreal will stop the attack.

But of course, common sense is not trait particular to most practitioners of the "religion of peace".

_{oga Wac lets open another thread if you still wish to question the morality of my current location}

  *ending offtopic, I promise*

duduspace:

Why are you denying your name now? I beleive that in every possible use of the word (not only in common usage), a pastor is someone who preaches or should I sue you for impersonating a pastor and deceiving us all on the forum?

Actually a pastor is someone who cares for people. Strictly speaking, a pastor is a shepherd. But anyone who feeds (materially and spiritually) and cares for a group of people is a pastor. Not every pastor gets up on the podium to preach so saying that a pastor is someone who preaches is a little wrong though I get where you're coming from.

Which kin lawyer you get? If you wan sue me, let me warn you. I get 3 QCs for here wey dey ready to maul anybody that so much as contemplates going toe to toe with me in a court of Law. you have been warned.

duduspace:

Probability in any way you use it does introduces an element of uncertainty which of course is why people lie (in attempting to convince others of their point of view for all types of gain yu can think of). If you're implying in any way that these guys should be sanctioned for this message, then all manstream religious figures should be in jail or even in some circumstances be taken out and shot.

I don't know about shooting o, but I think that it is very good that religious doctrines are being held up to scrutiny. Since many religious people don't do much scrutinizing of their religion I think that the challenges set by the atheists is actually a positive thing.

Pastor AIO:

Actually a pastor is someone who cares for people. Strictly speaking, a pastor is a shepherd. But anyone who feeds (materially and spiritually) and cares for a group of people is a pastor. Not every pastor gets up on the podium to preach so saying that a pastor is someone who preaches is a little wrong though I get where you're coming from.

Which kin lawyer you get? If you wan sue me, let me warn you. I get 3 QCs for here wey dey ready to maul anybody that so much as contemplates going toe to toe with me in a court of Law. you have been warned.

Hmmm, I do like the definition of a pastor you've given and it does shed a lot of light on the role of pastors. I now understand why most pastors are given to lying, it is simply cos they understand that most people are afraid to face the truth so in the spirit of caring for them they feed them with lies.
Well, I don't need such care cos I can face the truth that noone knows for certain how this world really came to be or how it will end, what the heck even the biblical apostle paul in one of his more sincere moments did confess to knowing in part.
I'm not scared of your 3QCs, there is always a limit to which you can stretch the truth before it starts to unravel before your very eyes as the christian faith is increasingly discovering these days.

Pastor AIO:

I don't know about shooting o, but I think that it is very good that religious doctrines are being held up to scrutiny. Since many religious people don't do much scrutinizing of their religion I think that the challenges set by the atheists is actually a positive thing.

I love you man (and not in a gay manner), I think we'll get along just fine.

It's not necessarily an attack on Christianity. There are a lot of other religions with a belief in one or more gods.

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This ppl are not even sure of themselves. Besides, is it not possible to enjoy life and believe in God? There is God.