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Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Seun(m): 12:49pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
The US and other western countries refused to sell arms to Nigeria because of human right violations they observed going on in our war against Boko Haram. Why couldn't we just stop the human rights abuses in order to get their superior weapons and crush Boko Haram? This is the same US that sold weapons to Osama Bin Ladin before he became a terrorist and several rebel groups in Syria fighting against Assad. If Osama Bin Ladin and Syrian rebels could fight without egregious human rights violations that would cause the U.S. not to sell them weapons, then why couldn't our Army do the same? Did they think it was more necessary to violate human rights than to get superior weapons? |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by 53cur3m0d3(m): 12:55pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
There are a lot of false allegations and counter accusations these days that the vast majority don't know what is actually going on. I fear for what the country has become. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Iaz93: 12:55pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
hmmm |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Seun(m): 12:56pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
The U.S. says, don't execute people on mere suspicion without proper trial. Don't punish the innocent along with the guilty. If you do this we will provide you with assistance and advanced weapons that will make it easy for you to defeat the Bokos. Sounds like a good deal to me. 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by steppin: 12:58pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun:Nothing is easy as it seems. Us soldiers sometimes violate human rights in countries they fight in, but the difference is that, they always try the offenders in the court of law. Our country is still has a long to go in other to attain to that level. 1 Like |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Iaz93: 1:02pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
They want us to be their puppets before they sell us weapons. Most of their demands are outrageous, methinks. 9 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Firefire(m): 1:03pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Nigeria is at war, war with terrorist and terrorism. Accusation of Human Rights Abuse is common during war including American war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. casualty of war can never be ruled out during war. Nigeria could not be an exemption. Bottom line: Our own war is self-inflicted, politically motivated and painfully a war within her own territory. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by ConfessionsNgr: 1:03pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Not everything is as we hear it on the media. Just saying 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by alberto2k(m): 1:05pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Yeah its a good deal but incase of emergency If U.S refuses to sell, other countries will... Legally or illegally! 1 Like |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by anonimi: 1:06pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun: I think you need to read more on US arm sales to countries that seriously violate human rights, such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt under Mubarak etc. International relations and sale of weapons is more complex than the simplistic excuse of human rights abuse smokescreen given by the US. Cheers. 13 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by vedd: 1:07pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Respect for human right and the rule of law are not in Nigeria military's dictionary when it comes to relating with (bloody) civilians. The most effective counter-insurgency strategy is to win the heart and minds of the affected communities. But such human rights violations makes it quite easy to believe that they're not too eager to win the war too quickly. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Firefire(m): 1:08pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun: collateral damage is inevitable in a war in our terrain, U.S demand of withdrawing the weapons engaged in the battle filed for Military training would be a sabotage to the on-going war. Americans should tell us their game plan. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:08pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
following...... |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by osamaBUSH(m): 1:12pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
they should say it in plain language dem dey fear us" |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by WisdomFlakes: 1:15pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun, the easy answer is that the Federal government politicized its response to the Boko Haram menace from the very get-go, thereby crippling any prospect of a sincere effort at curtailing or defeating the insurgency. All what we are currently seeing in terms of our army's gains vs. the insurgents was merely initiated in order to win re-election for the incumbent. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Seun(m): 1:20pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Firefire:Is it also necessary to regularly execute unarmed suspects without trial? Funny enough, it was this very act that radicalised Boko Haram. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Cutehector(m): 1:29pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Human rights violation was more common in buhari's regime 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Trailblazer1(m): 1:31pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun:let's consider the collateral damage of US refusal to self arms with an analysis of it cost/benefit to both Nigeria and the Us. 1. The primary victim of bokoharam is the Nigerian masses. 2. Humanitarian laws seeks to protect only the masses and not terrorists 3. The US refusal to sell arms to Nigeria will only encourage bokoharam continuous onslaught of the poor masses that the same humanitarian law seeks to protect. 4.even if humanitarian abuses are inevitable by the Nigerian Army, the recent military Victories has provided succour to the poor masses without which would have been a continuous onslaught of the masses. I succinct to say that the US are being hypocritical and economic with the truth. Refusal to sell arms to Nigeria only increases the death of the poor masses whom they supposedly seek to protect. 11 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Seun(m): 1:36pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Firefire:Can you give us the full details about this demand? Thanks. anonimi:This might be true. However, if we had stopped the human rights abuses and they still refused to sell us weapons, that would have proved it. vedd:I think we have community support because Boko Haram has done anti-muslim things like bombing mosques, but we could've got it earlier. Trailblazer1:If you have something on your mind, please share it. We are all here to learn the things we don't know. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Gbawe2: 1:41pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
@OP. It is not simply about Human rights abuse and I think you know this. There is a copious amount of information out there which reveals why the USA remain worried about helping our government in any shape or form. One of the most important reason the USA will not assist Nigeria is that a lot of information and actual occurrences show them that the Nigerian Government, under Jonathan, is not sincere about tackling Boko Haram. There is the real and entirely justified fear that supplying the Nigerian army with serious fire-power may simply amount to arming Boko Haram and promoting the course of terror. Let us stop pretending and patronising ourselves with these simplistic and self-deceiving discussions. The entire world know that it is politicians in the current government, as GEJ confessed, sponsoring Boko Haram while Commanders in our Army secretly abet the terror group. The USA has the right to refuse to be a part of such madness where it is difficult to identify friend or foe because of the insincere and duplicitous conduct of our Government and Army. http://www.nigerianwatch.com/news/6488-us-report-reveals-nigerian-military-tipped-off-boko-haram-about-chibok-girls-rescue-plan US report reveals Nigerian military tipped off Boko Haram about Chibok girls rescue plan 8 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:45pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun the problem is bigger than u think The syrian rebels are guilty of carrying out human ryt abuse The US hav problems of Human right abuses ,the use EIT. Enhanced interrogation techniques or soldiers engaging in Human actions in combat areas. But the d/f is that the follow up cases and ensure possible justice |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Redoil: 1:47pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun:if i their is a lot at stake for helping you i will give a very good and geniue excuse not to do so to the detriment of people arround you. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:47pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun: So Syrian rebels weren't guilty of Human Rights violations?? Human Rights in a war like is a joke. We've gotten weapons from China and Russia. Move on USA has been violating human rights since the days of W. BUSH till present day 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:48pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
It starts from our Training techniques use on our security personnels. Methodology of investigation. Military training Seun |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Redoil: 1:48pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
IbnSultaan:if so then why blaming gej? 1 Like |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 1:52pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
The western Nations need to define what they mean by boko haram human right. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by pamcode(m): 1:52pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
problem is all about to much power neing given to the authorites and also sturborness of civillians. |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:53pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Seun: Seun, please you people should stop minding those morally bankrupt nations like the USA. I have a chat with a military man who fought against the boko haram. He said that a time came when the boko haram men started giving their women their gun loaded magazines. These women hid them in the hajiab and were not searched because in islam, military men are forbidden to search women. So this continued until it was discovered. So a Kogi commander was brought who ordered the searching of these women and anyone caught was amputated and left to die. This made the USA and their house-boy britain to start ranting. 9 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Gbawe2: 1:53pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
IbnSultaan: Indeed. Imagine how Boko Haram were quickly able to procure and use gas mask shortly after the USA decided to gas and knock them out so that ground offensive can then move in to rescue the girls? Those are the sort of things that should worry all decent Nigerians. We may love deceiving ourselves in Nigeria but the USA, and any serious nation for that manner, will justifiably not work with such a dangerous level of internal sabotage. This is the main reason the USA has washed its hands off helping Nigeria while GEJ is President. The greatest fear, which is legitimate and justified, is that any weapon supplied to Nigeria may end up in the hands of Boko Haram. What will this then do to Nigeria considering that very powerful weapons could make Boko Haram considerably more dangerous and more deadly than the terror group is already? Any right-thinking Nigerian will appreciate that the USA acted responsibly and correctly given all that has happened. 6 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:54pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
The US has D/F defination 4 Human right abuse which is applied on D/F nations atlwireles |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:54pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
atlwireles: That is it! They should define the rights of a terrorist. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:57pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Gbawe2:. That's intel confidentiality problem Lots of Guys will give intel 4 few Dollars to d other sides Bad state of d economy Seun Nigeria Military has always worked with d us in terms of training But weapon transfer is a big problem b/c the are nt sure if we will nt transfer d tech 2 a 3rd party |
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