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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Gbawe2: 1:58pm On Mar 07, 2015
IbnSultaan:
. That's intel confidentiality problem
Lots of Guys will give intel 4 few Dollars to d other sides
Bad state of d economy
Seun Nigeria Military has always worked with d us in terms of training
But weapon transfer is a big problem b/c the are nt sure if we will nt transfer d tech 2 a 3rd party

Precisely.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 1:58pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:



That is it! They should define the rights of a terrorist.


That's the rule of the game, the western Nations should put their definition on the table.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 1:59pm On Mar 07, 2015
Can america tell us that those syrian rebels they are sponsoring in syria are not committing their so-called abuses?

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Mar 07, 2015
Gbawe2:


Precisely.
The american dnt joke with their Tech like d Russian. Egypt has F16 n so because it is an allied state so also Qatar n Isreal
But Nigeria is non allied meaning we could tmrw go against US interest.
There Tech if given to us could fall in d hands of North Korea,Iran ,China or Russia
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Mar 07, 2015
atlwireles:



That's the rule of the game, the western Nations should put their definition on the table.


The western world is full of hypocrites. What did they achieve in Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt (if not that sisi took the bull by the horn), Iraq, etc?

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:04pm On Mar 07, 2015
IbnSultaan:
The american dnt joke with their Tech like d Russian. Egypt has F16 n so because it is an allied state so also Qatar n Isreal
But Nigeria is non allied meaning we could tmrw go against US interest.
There Tech if given to us could fall in d hands of North Korea,Iran ,China or Russia


My brother do not mind america. Is iraq an american ally? Are the syrian rebels american allies?

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by vedaxcool(m): 2:05pm On Mar 07, 2015
But there many "unscrupulous" nations outside the us and its allies who don't care about the human right hypocrisy of the us whom purchase of weapons was possible yet they failed to do so.
so like gbawe said the govt. Has a lot more issues beyond human right, even basic common sense they lack!
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 2:09pm On Mar 07, 2015
When the issue of human rights was no more attainable, the Americans used know how as an excuse, for not selling us weapons. I remember a spokesperson saying, Nigerians cannot operate their weapons. It was all a game, and unfortunately we played along for a long time.

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by BodyKiss(m): 2:10pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:



Seun, please you people should stop minding those morally bankrupt nations like the USA.

I have a chat with a military man who fought against the boko haram.

He said that a time came when the boko haram men started giving their women their gun loaded magazines. These women hid them in the hajiab and were not searched because in islam, military men are forbidden to search women. So this continued until it was discovered.

So a Kogi commander was brought who ordered the searching of these women and anyone caught was amputated and left to die.

This made the USA and their house-boy britain to start ranting.

How do you justify this kind of act by the military? What happen to getting them arrested and tried in the court of law. You just proved the US right.

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Trailblazer1(m): 2:10pm On Mar 07, 2015
Trailblazer1:
let's consider the collateral damage of US refusal to self arms with an analysis of it cost/benefit to both Nigeria and the Us.
1. The primary victim of bokoharam is the Nigerian masses.
2. Humanitarian laws seeks to protect only the masses and not terrorists
3. The US refusal to sell arms to Nigeria will only encourage bokoharam continuous onslaught of the poor masses that the same humanitarian law seeks to protect.
4.even if humanitarian abuses are inevitable by the Nigerian Army, the recent military Victories has provided succour to the poor masses without which would have been a continuous onslaught of the masses.
I succinct to say that the US are being hypocritical and economic with the truth.
Refusal to sell arms to Nigeria only increases the death of the poor masses whom they supposedly seek to protect.

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Firefire(m): 2:12pm On Mar 07, 2015
Seun:
Can you give us the full details about this demand? Thanks.


Please see below: https://www.nairaland.com/2029672/why-nigeria-cancelled-us-military



kmariko:
Why Nigeria cancelled US military training – FG

on December 05, 2014 / in News 12:46 am

By Caleb Ayansina

ABUJA—The Federal Government, yesterday, gave reason for the cancellation of the training of Nigerian soldiers by American security experts, attributing it to logistic problem.

The U.S. Government, through its Embassy in Abuja on Monday said in a statement that “At the request of the Nigerian government, the United States will discontinue its training of a Nigerian Army battalion.”

But Nigerian government explained that it did not cancel the training, but that the condition placed down by US government was not healthy for the security of lives and property of its citizens, particularly those in the north east region.

The conditions, according to it, include withdrawing of some military equipment from the battle field, so that the American could use them to train the soldiers.


The Coordinator of the National Information Centre, Mr. Mike Omeri, who stated this during a routine briefing on security situation in the country, in Abuja, said the government would not expose its citizens at the mercy of insurgents because it wants to train its solders.

However, Omeri maintained that the two countries were not at variance as being insinuated by some people in the country. “Nigeria and America have strong military relation till date. It’s still ongoing and strong,” he said, disclosing that Nigerian soldiers had concluded two phases of the training out of the three.

Omeri explained that the third phase had to do with logistical components which the Americas did not provide but instead relied on Nigerian Military equipments, which was currently in use in the troubled states.

- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/12/nigeria-cancelled-us-military-training-fg/#sthash.824Sq4b1.dpuf

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:12pm On Mar 07, 2015
vedaxcool:
But there many "unscrupulous" nations outside the us and its allies who don't care about the human right hypocrisy of the us whom purchase of weapons was possible yet they failed to do so.
so like gbawe said the govt. Has a lot more issues beyond human right, even basic common sense they lack!
The Human right iss is cover for a more serious issue the have we us.
The don't trust us with their weapons
Yes the can train u but heavy tech weapons 4 decades its NO
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:12pm On Mar 07, 2015
vedaxcool:
But there many "unscrupulous" nations outside the us and its allies who don't care about the human right hypocrisy of the us whom purchase of weapons was possible yet they failed to do so.
so like gbawe said the govt. Has a lot more issues beyond human right, even basic common sense they lack!


Stop talking senselessly. What of the syrian rebels? What of the libyan rebels? What of the iraqi rebels?

We rejected their gay marriage.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 2:13pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:



The western world is full of hypocrites. What did they achieve in Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt (if not that sisi took the bull by the horn), Iraq, etc?

Do as I say not as I do. That's their motto.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:14pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:



My brother do not mind america. Is iraq an american ally? Are the syrian rebels american allies?
Iraq. Is. The american influence happens their
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:16pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:



Stop talking senselessly. What of the syrian rebels? What of the libyan rebels? What of the iraqi rebels?

We rejected their gay marriage.
. Its political. Those groups are there 4 American interest.
Nigeria is just a partner state not an ally like egypt or algeria
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Seun(m): 2:18pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:



Seun, please you people should stop minding those morally bankrupt nations like the USA.

I have a chat with a military man who fought against the boko haram.

He said that a time came when the boko haram men started giving their women their gun loaded magazines. These women hid them in the hajiab and were not searched because in islam, military men are forbidden to search women. So this continued until it was discovered.

So a Kogi commander was brought who ordered the searching of these women and anyone caught was amputated and left to die.

This made the USA and their house-boy britain to start ranting.
Why must we amputate?. How is that necessary? Why can't we arrest, interrogate, and charge to court them instead of amputating? Does the amputation of women's limbs sound normal to any sane person? How does Rwandan-style barbarism help the war against Boko haram?

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by mkpakanaodogwu(m): 2:21pm On Mar 07, 2015
Who is abusing who?
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Firefire(m): 2:22pm On Mar 07, 2015
Seun:

Is it also necessary to regularly execute unarmed suspects without trial? Funny enough, it was this very act that radicalised Boko Haram.


Jungle justice is condemned in all ramification, Nigeria is known for lengthen court cases and unending trials: A Case study of 'Reverend Kings'

the conspiracy that radicalized Boko-Haram through that your mentioned theory, is still a mystery.

At the moment we don't have any documented case(s) of human rights violations proved beyond doubt, it still remain an allegation.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:29pm On Mar 07, 2015
Is US the only Country we can buy weapons from?
Why not buy from the Russians or Chinese, I'm sure they care less about human rights.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:29pm On Mar 07, 2015
BodyKiss:


How do you justify this kind of act by the military? What happen to getting them arrested and tried in the court of law. You just proved the US right.


So in the time of war, you arrest and try?

So you will take the person caught smuggling guns for boko haram to court?

People like you are worse than the boko men.

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by vedaxcool(m): 2:29pm On Mar 07, 2015
IbnSultaan:
The Human right iss is cover for a more serious issue the have we us.
The don't trust us with their weapons
Yes the can train u but heavy tech weapons 4 decades its NO

True, they figured that giving a mad man cut lass is a recipe for disater!

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 2:30pm On Mar 07, 2015
Human right abuse was a cover the Americans used to demoralise and attempted to decapitate the Nigerian military. It almost worked.

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:32pm On Mar 07, 2015
Khabuqi:
Is US the only Country we can buy weapons from?
Why not buy from the Russians or Chinese, I'm sure they care less about human rights.


Who is the US? Why are they not really defending Ukraine in their dark hour despite the nuclear treaty they signed many years ago.

Even the Russia and China are also satanic countries.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:37pm On Mar 07, 2015
How come the Nigerian army suudenly started being bold and winning boko haram? Why did america tell us that our army was 'useless'.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by IbokUtoroh(m): 2:42pm On Mar 07, 2015
Gbawe2:


Indeed. Imagine how Boko Haram were quickly able to procure and use gas mask shortly after the USA decided to gas and knock them out so that ground offensive can then move in to rescue the girls? Those are the sort of things that should worry all decent Nigerians. We may love deceiving ourselves in Nigeria but the USA, and any serious nation for that manner, will justifiably not work with such a dangerous level of internal sabotage. This is the main reason the USA has washed its hands off helping Nigeria while GEJ is President.

The greatest fear, which is legitimate and justified, is that any weapon supplied to Nigeria may end up in the hands of Boko Haram. What will this then do to Nigeria considering that very powerful weapons could make Boko Haram considerably more dangerous and more deadly than the terror group is already? Any right-thinking Nigerian will appreciate that the USA acted responsibly and correctly given all that has happened.







clap hands for ya self.
u too sabi.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 2:43pm On Mar 07, 2015
jusRadical:
How come the Nigerian army suudenly started being bold and winning boko haram? Why did america tell us that our army was 'useless'.

grin grin grin grin that's the koko of the propaganda. They almost destroyed the Nigerian army, without firing one shot.

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Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Seun(m): 2:43pm On Mar 07, 2015
Gbawe2:
There is the real and entirely justified fear that supplying the Nigerian army with serious fire-power may simply amount to arming Boko Haram and promoting the course of terror. Let us stop pretending and patronising ourselves with these simplistic and self-deceiving discussions. The entire world know that it is politicians in the current government, as GEJ confessed, sponsoring Boko Haram while Commanders in our Army secretly abet the terror group. The USA has the right to refuse to be a part of such madness where it is difficult to identify friend or foe because of the insincere and duplicitous conduct of our Government and Army.
http://www.nigerianwatch.com/news/6488-us-report-reveals-nigerian-military-tipped-off-boko-haram-about-chibok-girls-rescue-plan
Thanks for this key piece of info. I don't really trust the source though. I'd be more comfortable with a foreign source like BBC or Economist.

Gbawe2:
Indeed. Imagine how Boko Haram were quickly able to procure and use gas mask shortly after the USA decided to gas and knock them out so that ground offensive can then move in to rescue the girls? Those are the sort of things that should worry all decent Nigerians. We may love deceiving ourselves in Nigeria but the USA, and any serious nation for that manner, will justifiably not work with such a dangerous level of internal sabotage. This is the main reason the USA has washed its hands off helping Nigeria while GEJ is President.

The greatest fear, which is legitimate and justified, is that any weapon supplied to Nigeria may end up in the hands of Boko Haram. What will this then do to Nigeria considering that very powerful weapons could make Boko Haram considerably more dangerous and more deadly than the terror group is already? Any right-thinking Nigerian will appreciate that the USA acted responsibly and correctly given all that has happened.
Assuming the story is true, you are absolutely right. However, I can't find any other source for the story. Not even Sahara Reporters.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by Nobody: 2:46pm On Mar 07, 2015
IbnSultaan:
Iraq. Is. The american influence happens their


Do you knw that ISIS started in Iraq under the watch of your 'almighty' US?
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by atlwireles: 2:46pm On Mar 07, 2015
Seun:

Thanks for this key piece of info. I don't really trust the source though. I'd be more comfortable with a foreign source like BBC or Economist.


Assuming the story is true, you are absolutely right. However, I can't find any other source for the story. Not even Sahara Reporters.

You can shred that story, nothing but the usual propaganda.
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by CaptainAmerica1: 2:47pm On Mar 07, 2015
The summary of it all is that Boko Haram is beyond what we think.

Lots of mysteries
Re: Why Couldn't We Stop Human Rights Abuses To Get Better Weapons? by CaptainAmerica1: 2:50pm On Mar 07, 2015
Jonathan acknowledged that Boko haram has infiltrated his government.

Honestly, I believe he should have done everything in his power to fish the sponsors out because that singular act would have given his administration a great reputation.

Or could it be that the moles have something against him?

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