homesteady:


If you see the way most of this optometry graduates run away from working under private clinics, you'd think that they placed a curse on private clinic jobs

homesteady:


Why are you reasoning like an Education in gender studies student? Do you know anything about epidemiology? Don't you know diseases have different spread? I am giving you Statistics for Nigeria and you are countering it with statistics for US. You can as well say Malaria is common in US because it is very common in Nigeria.

originbm:


Don't even talk of neuro surgery. Their procedures come regularly. Optometrists and ophthalmologists make referrals majorly to neuros. If obgyn, endocrinology, pediatricz, rheumatologist, cardios are all referring to them, can u imagine hw lucrative it is? Neuro surgery in private practice is also massive. For e.g cerebral adenomas are common. Brain surgeries to contain seizures, epileptic fits, are common. Cerebral hemorrhage, cortical blindness... Most subspecialty have convergence with neuros. And they r extremely few. Neurosurgeons earn a lot. Their procedures are lucrative and patient base is large.

Mandeyy:
I'm every surprised u don't know d difference b/w neurosurgery and neurology. Separation of siamese twins is d work of a neurosurgeon, and most of these cases (hydrocephalus, siamese twin's separation, etc) are rare compared to dental diseases.

homesteady:

Mr Man, can't you just be straightforward? Reply me based on what I said and not what you feel like saying!

originbm:


You are poor so any amount you ask from your parents is poverty-motivated. As for nyash and boobs I know say Dat one na ur specialty. Unfortunately u never get money to fit do anything. Face ur book o. This one u r telling me about sending money, I hope say u no dey codedly ask me to send u money... No try am o.

originbm:


http://www.njcponline.com/article.asp?issn=1119-3077;year=2015;volume=18;issue=3;spage=318;epage=322;aulast=Ojo

Read this. U r giving me a spurious write up. U guys are doing cleft palate up and down, yet no one patronized ur practice.

Mandeyy:
If u bring up d dental cases of d USA to explain d dental disease burden in Nigeria, he'll call u a liar, but at d same time he was playing smart by bringing up hydrocephalus case statistics of America to explain its disease burden in Nigeria. What a hypocrisy!

originbm:


So u now have a remote in your pocket with which to alter my thoughts to fit your purpose. Is my answer not comprehensive enough. Look at it again, the answer you want is there. U dey find transition point abi.

Mandeyy:
Who told u that lie. Cleft lip and palate surgery is sponsored by an NGO called smile train from America, cos d people mostly suffering from it are poor and cannot affort it. Smile Train works through our oral & maxillofacial surgeons, plastic surgeons and orthodontists in Nigeria. There're two other NGOs set up by our own Drs Seidu Bello and Ngutor (oral & maxillofacial surgeons) who render free surgeries sponsored by philantropic Nigerians. It's a major surgery that cannot be done in a private dental clinic in Nigeria.

homesteady:


You have been so specific concerning Optometry and Dentistry and Neurology and Dentistry. So I want you to be more specific between Neurology and Optometry, which is more lucrative.

originbm:


http://www.njcponline.com/article.asp?issn=1119-3077;year=2015;volume=18;issue=3;spage=318;epage=322;aulast=Ojo

Read this. U r giving me a spurious write up. U guys are doing cleft palate up and down, yet no one patronized ur practice.

originbm:


http://www.panafrican-med-journal.com/content/article/2/5/full/

Here the epidemiology of cleft palate was pegged at 0.3/1000 patients.

https://guardian.ng/features/hydrocephalus-ailment-in-children-deadly-but-curable/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5078104104

Here the epidemiology of hydrocephalus is 1.2/1000 and probably even higher in Africa.
Please this academic albino, tell me about prevalence again.

Mandeyy:
All we're saying is that hydrocephalus cases are rare compared to ameloblastoma in Nigeria. Google also d cleft lip and palate and ameloblastoma surgeries done by oral & maxillofacial surgeons in Lagos University Teaching Hospital (LUTH) from where u picked d hydrocephalus case. I know Profs Mobolanle Ogunlewe. Godwin Arotiba, Wasiu Lanre Adeyeemo (all oral & maxillofacial surgeons) have done countless cases of ameloblastoma, cleft lip and palate surgeries at LUTH.

Mandeyy:
U don't read at all. That's why i said earlier that u hate facts. According to that report u put here, d writer said that d prevalence of hydrocephalus in "developed countries" is 1.2/1,000 unlike in Africa. So, u don't know d meaning of a developed country. D writer further stated that its prevalence is uncertain here. Nawa for ur lie o!

originbm:


http://www.panafrican-med-journal.com/content/article/2/5/full/

Here the epidemiology of cleft palate was pegged at 0.3/1000 patients.

https://guardian.ng/features/hydrocephalus-ailment-in-children-deadly-but-curable/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5078104104

Here the epidemiology of hydrocephalus is 1.2/1000 and probably even higher in Africa.
Please this academic albino, tell me about prevalence again.

originbm:


http://www.panafrican-med-journal.com/content/article/2/5/full/

Here the epidemiology of cleft palate was pegged at 0.3/1000 patients.

https://guardian.ng/features/hydrocephalus-ailment-in-children-deadly-but-curable/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5078104104

Here the epidemiology of hydrocephalus is 1.2/1000 and probably even higher in Africa.
Please this academic albino, tell me about prevalence again.

originbm:


Y are u always correcting inconsequential things. I purposely lumped them together because that's not the point am making. Neurology is a medical subspecialty, neurosurgery is a surgical specialty. Just like a cardiologist and a cardiac surgeon, or an ophthalmologist and an ophthalmic surgeon. For e.g, to qualify as an ophthalmologist u need a fwcopth, but to qualify as an ophthalmic surgeon, u need an fwcs. I dunno y u keep giving childish corrections. Do I look like ur junior colleague in dentistry? Na wao

Mandeyy:
Most researches on disease prevalence in Nigeria are hospital-based. Besides, adult cleft lip and palate sufferers feel shy to come out for community-based where accurate prevalence and incidence rates are determined. Also, d writer wrote "even probably higher" cos he was not sure. Hence, in Africa, no accurate statistics exists regarding prevalence and incidence rates of diseases. It has always been guesswork by researchers in Africa.

originbm:


If u like jump out of ur screen, if you can't make money from your profession don't disturb people. The fact is that ur defense is centered only around surgery in your field as being lucrative. Then I look around and see no sign of the inflow. Yet u r yapping. I ask again, where are the flourishing dental clinics.

Mandeyy:
There's nothing like FWCOPTH. We have just FWACS, and it's for an ophthalmologist who is also an ophthalmic surgeon.

originbm:


Oh. You need to read it again. The only bit uncertainty is that it might be higher in Africa, not lower. The statistic of 1.2/1000 was not an uncertain. The probability of deviation lies on the side of probable higher prevalence in Africa, not less. Read again.

Mandeyy:
Are u in their pockets that u don't see the inflow? U must be blind if u've not noticed those big private dental centres in Nigeria. Ur points are out of point.

Mandeyy:
He was not sure; he was just guessing. I've carried out epidemiological surveys in my master's degree in medical microbiology, before going to study dentistry. It was from there that i realized that most of these surveys are not represented of d true prevalence & incidence cases of diseases in Nigeria. He was just guessing. As a researcher, u don't guess to arrive at a report. Where's d proof? He has got no evidence or verifiable data from a survey to prove d point.

originbm:


Yeah my bad. I meant FRCOPTH different from FRSC. In Nigeria there is FMCoph different from FWACS. they are different colleges. For instance I can't be a retinal surgeon with just fmcoph, u must have a fics or FWACS. West Africa has no separate college for general ophthalmologists.

Mandeyy:
It's FRSC; it's FRCS. A retinal surgeon just needs only one (in Nigeria, either FMCopth or FWACS). FICS is not important in Nig. FICS is mostly not awarded by exam. It's still d same in dentistry. U need either of d two (FMCDS or FWACS). FICS is also awarded to dentists but not really by election while FFDRCS, FDSRCS, FDSRCPS (fellow in dental surgery of the royal college of physicians & surgeons) are awarded to dentists by exam. However, a consultant may still want to have all at d same time, but it's just having one of them that qualifies a medical doctor or a dentist as a consultant.

Mandeyy:
It's FRSC; it's FRCS. A retinal surgeon just needs only one (in Nigeria, either FMCopth or FWACS). FICS is not important in Nig. FICS is mostly not awarded by exam. It's still d same in dentistry. U need either of d two (FMCDS or FWACS). FICS is also awarded to dentists but not really by election while FFDRCS, FDSRCS, FDSRCPS (fellow in dental surgery of the royal college of physicians & surgeons) are awarded to dentists by exam. However, a consultant may still want to have all at d same time, but it's just having one of them that qualifies a medical doctor or a dentist as a consultant.

originbm:


The fact is that you will hardly find a retinal surgeon with just fmcopth. true u need just one to be a consultant, but most have both. You can pick up any osn Magazine and flip through. But then the dichotomy may not be sharp in ophthalmology as in neuro where the neurosurgeons perform surgery and not the neurologist.

originbm:


The fact is that you will hardly find a retinal surgeon with just fmcopth. true u need just one to be a consultant, but most have both. You can pick up any osn Magazine and flip through. But then the dichotomy may not be sharp in ophthalmology as in neuro where the neurosurgeons perform surgery and not the neurologist.

Mandeyy:
Even neurosurgeons need either of d two in Nigeria (FMCS or FWACS).

originbm:


Yeah but the point is that while neurologists manage medically, neurosurgeons manage with surgery. These are asides by the way.

Mandeyy:
Neurology needs either FMCP or FWACP or both.