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Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:50am On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

Babe, you're losing track of this discussion. I told you you didn't read what I wrote.

I don't believe there is a real person known as God, as per the OP. I've heard of Thor, I've heard of Jehovah, I've heard of Sango and I've heard of Zeus. None of them is real.

They are not real as God of psrsonhood or real as God representing a fatual substances?

Which of the two?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:54am On Sep 08, 2015

dalaman:

Na fight ooo. . Context my friend.

That guy above will finish before tge first round.

How many punches can ypou take?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by dalaman: 9:00am On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

That guy above will finish before tge first round.

How many punches can ypou take?

As many punches as possible. grin

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:02am On Sep 08, 2015

dalaman:

As many punches as possible.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 9:06am On Sep 08, 2015

lexiconkabir:
dude even if infinity is "not a number(well it is)", infinity minus 1 is undeniably a number. Alright, give me your definition of omniscience. if you dont agree with my interpretations, google is there. look it up and post it here lets see!

Go ahead and write down the digits for infinity minus 1 then.

Omniscience is knowledge of everything. I mentioned that earlier.

Maybe on another topic I'll address the interpretations.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 9:12am On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

They are not real as God of psrsonhood or real as God representing a fatual substances?

Which of the two?

I'm only interested in God as a person. I must have said this before.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by dalaman: 9:22am On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

I have punch proof jazz. grin

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by Nobody: 9:28am On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

Go ahead and write down the digits for infinity minus 1 then.

Omniscience is knowledge of everything. I mentioned that earlier.

Maybe on another topic I'll address the interpretations.

NUMBERS FROM 1 to INFINITY minus 1 are:-1,2,3,4...,infinity-4,infinity-3,infinity-2 and infinity-1(mathematicians see things differently). talking about omniscience, click here to see the scientific miracle of iron in the quran.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 9:28am On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

That guy above will finish me before tge first round.

How many punches can ypou take?

Lol. Fixed

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:32am On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

I'm only interested in God as a person. I must have said this before.

1. Do you admit the fatual substance which this God represents is real? I have pointed to Shakti which is Energy.

2. Almost all Gods are depicted as Person. So are you holding to the account as it is or holding to the message been passed from the account?

3. Can you tell what you mean by God as a person?

4: example to number 3

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:34am On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

Lol. Fixed

Lol.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 9:39am On Sep 08, 2015

lexiconkabir:
NUMBERS FROM 1 to INFINITY minus 1 are:-1,2,3,4...,infinity-4,infinity-3,infinity-2 and infinity-1(mathematicians see things differently). talking about omniscience, click here to see the scientific miracle of iron in the quran.

I said digits. It is beside the point tho. Is a miracle now proof of omniscience?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by Nobody: 9:42am On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

I said digits. It is beside the point tho. Is a miracle now proof of omniscience?

dude, what i wrote is mathematically correct! if i know everything about numerical analysis in mathematics at age 5, it can be regarded as a miracle and at the same time omniscient, did you go to that site?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:43am On Sep 08, 2015

dalaman:

I have punch proof jazz.

peppersoup and oloso be the jazz na Lol

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by dalaman: 9:55am On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

peppersoup and oloso be the jazz na Lol

Yes oo. Amala and banga soup filled with bush meat with one bottle of cold beer. No be small jazz be that. I recommend it for you. grin

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:59am On Sep 08, 2015

dalaman:

Yes oo. Amala and banga soup filled with bush meat with one bottle of cold beer. No be small jazz be that. I recommend it for you.

Correct

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by lampardizik(m): 11:55am On Sep 08, 2015

benodic:
the reason why God does not bother about proving ~~itself~~ Himself to any human being is that it is just a matter of time when the individual sheds the physical body in the process of death, the person will clearly see all the prove that he/she needs.

it is just a matter of time

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 3:07pm On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

1. Do you admit the fatual substance which this God represents is real? I have pointed to Shakti which is Energy.

2. Almost all Gods are depicted as Person. So are you holding to the account as it is or holding to the message been passed from the account?

3. Can you tell what you mean by God as a person?

4: example to number 3

1. Energy is real.

2. I don't understand this question.

3. God as a being possessing self awareness, intelligence, agency etc. Just the way a human being is a person.

4. I do not believe that there is any real person that fits the description in the OP. Why do you keep asking me this?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 3:41pm On Sep 08, 2015

lexiconkabir:
dude, what i wrote is mathematically correct! if i know everything about numerical analysis in mathematics at age 5, it can be regarded as a miracle and at the same time omniscient, did you go to that site?

Lol. So is infinity-1 a prime number? What are it's factors? What is infinity-1 ÷ 2,000,000?

I didn't go to the site. I'm not looking for miracles. I'm trying to show you that you can't know whether God is omniscient. If there is a limit to his knowledge, how would you tell?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by Nobody: 4:18pm On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

Lol. So is infinity-1 a prime number? What are it's factors? What is infinity-1 ÷ 2,000,000?

I didn't go to the site. I'm not looking for miracles. I'm trying to show you that you can't know whether God is omniscient. If there is a limit to his knowledge, how would you tell?

infinity-1+2,000,000=infinity(dont doubt this answer). Alright, when i say miracle, i dont mean miracle literally.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:55pm On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:

1. Energy is real.

And Shakti, do you think it is real?

finofaya:

2. I don't understand this question.

All Gods are depicted as person. They are either human or a divine creatures. According to their accounts or stories, we have persons who have feelings, intelligent and speak like normal man.

So the question now is, do you take the account literaly or you decode the message the account it trying to tell?

Take for example, in Tortoise story tell us back then as a kid. I dont practically look for Tortoise that is wise, walk on the two feet and discuss issue with human beings. Rather, I leave the literal story and grap the moral message the story is telling.

Knowing that all Gods are described as person, do you take the story on the literal surface or you are concern about the essense passed?

Are you looking for Yemoja who has long breast like the atlantic Ocean or you are looking for Yemoja the water body?

finofaya:

3. God as a being possessing self awareness, intelligence, agency etc. Just the way a human being is a person.

All the accounts and stories of God depict God as described above.

finofaya:

4. I do not believe that there is any real person that fits the description in the OP. Why do you keep asking me this?

Who told you there is a real person that fits the description in the OP?

Anthropomorphization is as old as man. People adopted it long time ago when they want to describe objects. It is simply a way of ascribes human traits, ambitions, emotions or entire behavior to animals, non-human beings, natural phenomena or objects. Gods story pick on this method too. It is dumbness to rap mind round attributions.

Let me employ Vector song. . . .I think it will explain me better and make me see how you reason.

Pls read closely everything posted below.

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.

Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!

2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch

Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end

3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..

Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

Who do you think Mary Jane, nicknamed Juana is in this lyrics?

I want to see where your problem comes from

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 8:54pm On Sep 08, 2015

FOLYKAZE

1. Isn't Shakti a synonym for energy?

2. It depends on the claim. If you say your God is a real person then we need to talk. If you prefer to call a body of water God, I prefer to call it a body of water.

4. Go and tell Christians and Muslims that.

Am I really supposed to answer that question about the song?

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Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 9:02pm On Sep 08, 2015

lexiconkabir:
infinity-1+2,000,000=infinity(dont doubt this answer). Alright, when i say miracle, i dont mean miracle literally.

You switched the ÷ symbol to +, but no matter.

However you mean miracle, I'm pretty sure it's not omniscience.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:41pm On Sep 08, 2015

finofaya:
FOLYKAZE

1. Isn't Shakti a synonym for energy?

wrong.

Shakti is a God. Do you think it is real?

finofaya:
2. It depends on the claim. If you say your God is a real person then we need to talk. If you prefer to call a body of water God, I prefer to call it a body of water.

This is red herring and tactic of evading question. You are not addressing anything here.

No one is asking you to call a body of water God. I am not even saying a body of water should be called God. The discussion here is God been depicted as person. We have lot of accounts we can hold onto to prove this point. Yemoja comes in because the story accounted for her not only depicted her as a woman, the story continue that she has a long and large breast. She became pregnant to her son which cost her to run from heaven abode to earth. According to the story, she fell down on earth and had her stomach cut open causing her lives to come out of her.

This is allegorical illustration of Yemoja. This is the legend been foretold from the ancient time. There are more than ten sides to it. On the literal sense, the story depict a pregnant woman. On the esotericalistic sides, it depict the origin of water with the theory of fallen icy comets.

So the question again is that do you look for human in the story of God or you look up for their representation?

Do you look for Yemoja with long breast like Missisisipi when the story of her is told or you look out for the representation of Yemoja?

Answer straight forward pls.

finofaya:
4. Go and tell Christians and Muslims that.

You are just too shallow.

Is Jehovah not depicted as person who is angry, jealous, intelligent, talk, fight, eat and have sex?

Is Allah not depicted as person?

finofaya:
Am I really supposed to answer that question about the song?

Give it a try and answer. This will explain how intelligent you are. It will explain how you evaluate allegorical stories of God. It will reveal light into anthropomorphization of God. I challenge you to decipher who the lady in the lyric is.

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.

Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!

2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch

Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end

3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..

Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

Who is the girl been refered to?

Who is Mary Jane nicknamed Juana?

I challenge you finofaya to tell us whom the girl in the song is.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 1:28am On Sep 09, 2015

1. I already told you that if your claim is that Shakti is a real person then my answer is no. Please stop wasting time and effort with this repetition.

2. You have my answer. Make your peace with it.

4. Keep track of your argument. Muslims and Christians claim that their Gods are real persons. Do you want to redefine their God for them?

Your challenge is silly and I won't bother with it.

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Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:08am On Sep 09, 2015

finofaya:
1. I already told you that if your claim is that Shakti is a real person then my answer is no. Please stop wasting time and effort with this repetition.

You are the one that need to stop playing hide and seek.

On the contrary, your reply here exposes your dumbness. Maybe Psalm 14:1 is right in your case.

Shak·ti - /ˈSHəktē/
noun
1. the female principle of divine energy, especially when personified as the supreme deity.

http://www.google.com/m?q=shakti

My Uncle call his Car by the name Patty.

Personification of Patty can give us expression like; Patty's headlight winkled at me.

In this case, the Car Patty has become a person.

Going by your logic, patty is not real.

How dumb does that sound to you?

finofaya:
2. You have my answer. Make your peace with it.

I did not answer anything. Are you looking for human as attributed to God in their stories and accounts or you are looking for what the god represent according to their account?

Stop running around while you are already unclad.

finofaya:
4. Keep track of your argument. Muslims and Christians claim that their Gods are real persons. Do you want to redefine their God for them?

Another dumbness. You have already lost the argument. Here is what you said:

finofaya:
3. God as a being possessing self awareness, intelligence, agency etc. Just the way a human being is a person.

finofaya:
4. I do not believe that there is any real person that fits the description in the OP. Why do you keep asking me this?

I went ahead and told you Jehovah has all the attributes and now you are telling me this crap.

For your info, I have shredded Jehovah to mean force of the hills and mountain. I interpreted it to mean personification and glorification of Volcanic eruption.

finofaya:
Your challenge is silly and I won't bother with it.

are you so afraid of this small challenge? Are you proving you are a coward?

Common this is a simple task.

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.

Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!

2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch

Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end

3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..

Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

who is Mary Jane in this song?

Dalaman, abi you go help your friend off my claw?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by macof(m): 11:16am On Sep 09, 2015

FOLYKAZE:

Change God there to Idealogical Law.

Does it make sense?

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:22am On Sep 09, 2015

macof:

Na question I ask you Oga.

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 12:23pm On Sep 09, 2015

FOLYKAZE

I don't know why I even bothered with you. Go and babble at someone else. Your confusion is profound.

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Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by macof(m): 12:25pm On Sep 09, 2015

finofaya:

I'm only interested in God as a person. Can I correctly say that there is no such person as Iustice, Brahma, or Thor?

Well, yes there's no such person as Iustice (it's actually Iustitia not "iustice" wink

, Brahma or Thor
They are personifications, and as far as I know the idea of personification is giving human attributes to something that isn't a person

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by macof(m): 12:30pm On Sep 09, 2015

lexiconkabir:
you just say that without refuting? how come that revelation that was made before the advent of telescope and contemporary science goes in line with hubble's discovery that the space actually expands?

Oga Ifa says the universe is expanding too. ..even gives better illustration than the quranic verse u quote
so that is not proof for allah

Re: What Would You Consider As Proof Of God by finofaya: 12:34pm On Sep 09, 2015

macof:

Well, yes there's no such person as Iustice (it's actually Iustitia not "iustice", Brahma or Thor
They are personifications, and as far as I know the idea of personification is giving human attributes to something that isn't a person

. Exactly. I'm interested in God as a person, not as something else that is personified.

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