jakeporeshenko:
The jaguar is still a very capable strike platform, there’s hope for NAF jaguars if the will is there, let us approach the Indians (HAL) and work something out!
We should also upgrade our L-39s

bidexiii:
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brosiye99:
Nigeria's jaguars were evaluated by the Indians for restoration circa 2003-5 but were deemed to be too damaged to be restored. Their report to NAF then stated that they could be restored but it would have been as so expensive as it would have been a total replacement of all parts from the fuselage engines, avionics all the works. They quoted a price which was crazily high.

These jets were not properly stored and I even remembered going to makurdi air base in the late 90's and seeing the Jaguars and Mig 21s parked outside under the elements. those ones were in terrible shape. a few of the jaguars were in storage in a hangar but even those were not looking good. proper storage would have required dismantling them and storing in a box.

The military regime of IBB really dealt so badly with the air force principally as a result of the Vatsa Coup plot. The NAF has not fully recovered from that devastating blow.

bidexiii:



Thanks for the insight.

Have always think those jaguars where stored in kanji airforce Base in Niger state.

brosiye99:
Nigeria's jaguars were evaluated by the Indians for restoration circa 2003-5 but were deemed to be too damaged to be restored. Their report to NAF then stated that they could be restored but it would have been as so expensive as it would have been a total replacement of all parts from the fuselage engines, avionics all the works. They quoted a price which was crazily high.

These jets were not properly stored and I even remembered going to makurdi air base in the late 90's and seeing the Jaguars and Mig 21s parked outside under the elements. those ones were in terrible shape. a few of the jaguars were in storage in a hangar but even those were not looking good. proper storage would have required dismantling them and storing in a box.

The military regime of IBB really dealt so badly with the air force principally as a result of the Vatsa Coup plot. The NAF has not fully recovered from that devastating blow.

brosiye99:
At the time, the NAF was seriously considering the re induction of the Jaguars and Migs. (early 2000's).The Migs were also found to be in terribly bad conditions hence could not be restored except at a very high cost. After this report, the NAF top brass then considered getting the SU-27 or Mig 29. It is not known if the Indians offered to sell any Jet to Nigeria for the obvious reason that India at the time had not started production of any locally made jet such as the LCA to offer to Nigeria.

The Su-27/Mig 29 pitch by the NAF did not sail through and for some unexplained reason (likely costs and lack of political will) hence the NAF was forced to go for the Chinese made F7 Jet (a clone of the Migs 21 which we already had 2 squadrons since the 80's that had been allowed to rot away) as a stop gap measure while the search was to be expanded for a more formidable front line interceptor, strike and fighter jet.

I wish we had gotten the Su-27's/Mig 29's then so that by now Nigeria would have matured to operating the Su-30's and Mig 35's.
Lost opportunities. Look at how it is now, we are taking over 3 years to buy just 3 JF17 jets and they're still not delivered. SMH.

nemesis8u:
HAL cannot sell jaguar to other countries,
It can offer upgrades, mro etc

brosiye99 do u know the amount quoted for the refurbishment ?

I don't have info about the specifics but this I can say if an aircraft is not mothballed properly and left exposed to the elements then the damage is severe , the fuselage , the hydraulics , the pipings , the cables , the connectors , the displays ,the LRUs , the engines everything needs to be changed or refurbished then tested and then certified.

Basically u end up building a new aircraft , except for the base fuselage sections , even those need to be checked for damage and replaced if necessary.

jakeporeshenko:
Akwa Ibom State Governor, Mr Udom Emmanuel inaugurates the newly constructed academic and administrative blocks at the Nigerian Navy Military School, Ikot Ntuen in Oruk Anam LGA of the State.

jakeporeshenko:

That price quoted as far back as 2003 would have doubled by now, it has been 15 years.

I still think NAF should look into possible revival of those jets for the capacity they can add to the force. However if the project is deemed too expensive then the and unsustainable then perhaps the NAF should look ahead, there are far more modern options ( fighter bombers) in Russia and China.

nemesis8u:
HAL cannot sell jaguar to other countries,
It can offer upgrades, mro etc

brosiye99 do u know the amount quoted for the refurbishment ?

I don't have info about the specifics but this I can say if an aircraft is not mothballed properly and left exposed to the elements then the damage is severe , the fuselage , the hydraulics , the pipings , the cables , the connectors , the displays ,the LRUs , the engines everything needs to be changed or refurbished then tested and then certified.

Basically u end up building a new aircraft , except for the base fuselage sections , even those need to be checked for damage and replaced if necessary.

What NAF should have done is basically order few new jaguars under the guise of refurbishment of the old jaguars to circumvent the IPR restrictions , the old Jags would then have been disassembled for spares supplies and nobody would have been wiser

nemesis8u:


My suggestion new assets , the Jag ship has sailed long ago.

The last jaguar production line at HAL was closed and replaced many years ago , so spares etc will be hard to come .

Even IAF is searching for spares for jaguars , the French offered their mothballed jaguars for spare cannibalization.

My personal opinion NAF should place priority for assets that permit sustained and effective round the clock coin capability as a potent secondary requirement.

NAF has a large operational area to cover for surveillance on a 24 hr basis. The time lag between the initial ISR mission and follow on counter attacks should be minimised as much as possible.

NAF should priotize assets with the ability to blunt the mobility available to terrorists, ie this time available to the terrorists to relocate safely. Operational necessity is to shrink the sensor to shooter time.

If possible Rafale would have been my choice for NAF

Anyways capability build up for any air force is always a on going process.

bidexiii:


The military era really ruined a lot of things, including the military itself

We really need 4th generational jets like the su-35/37 superiority fighter.

bidexiii:



Hmmmmm . the Rafale, we have been paying for 3 jf17 jets for how many years now

NAF buying the Rafale his like you're dreaming.

nemesis8u:


My opinion one needs a aircraft which addresses the present threat assessments ( primary requirement ) and future threat assessments ( secondary requirement )

nemesis8u:


Well u kind of missed my bigger point - Rafale or assets which have capabilities like that of Rafale.

Rafale is the benchmark for the present operational capabilities requirements

jakeporeshenko:
REACTIVATION OF AIRCRAFT HANDED OVER BY NIGERIA IMMIGRATION SERVICE REACHES ADVANCED STAGE

The ongoing reactivation of the Do-228 aircraft recently handed over to the Nigerian Air Force (NAF), by the Nigeria Immigration Service (NIS), has reached an advanced stage. The extent of work was witnessed by the Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, during on-the-site inspection visits to some units in Kaduna on 4 June 2018. The CAS also inspected the ongoing construction of headquarters complex for the Air Training Command Kaduna. He was pleased to observe that work was progressing as scheduled.

Meanwhile, the airframe of one of the 3 aircraft received from the NIS had been heavily corroded before it was handed over and therefore Beyond Economic Repairs. Furthermore, preliminary inspections have been conducted on the remaining 2 aircraft by NAF engineers and technicians at 431 Engineering Group, NAF Base Kaduna. One of the 2 repairable Do-238 aircraft that was at Kaduna Civil Airport has already been ferried to the Kaduna military airfield following initial maintenance activities by the NAF maintenance crew. In addition, the faded paintings on both aircraft have been replaced with military paint schemes to minimize corrosion and in preparation for subsequent deployment to operational theaters.

The NAF is now awaiting the delivery of the required Time Change Items and other aircraft spares to enable the conduct of mandatory outstanding scheduled inspections on both aircraft. Apart from its usefulness as a light liaison transport aircraft, the Do-228 could be employed for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance missions in the counterinsurgency and other operations in the country. Consequently, by the time the reactivation is completed, the operational effectiveness of the NAF would be further boosted and the hitherto grounded aircraft prevented from total decay.

OLATOKUNBO ADESANYA
Air Vice Marshal
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force

nemesis8u:


My suggestion new assets , the Jag ship has sailed long ago.

The last jaguar production line at HAL was closed and replaced many years ago , so spares etc will be hard to come .

Even IAF is searching for spares for jaguars , the French offered their mothballed jaguars for spare cannibalization.

My personal opinion NAF should place priority for assets that permit sustained and effective round the clock coin capability as a potent secondary requirement.

NAF has a large operational area to cover for surveillance on a 24 hr basis. The time lag between the initial ISR mission and follow on counter attacks should be minimised as much as possible.

NAF should priotize assets with the ability to blunt the mobility available to terrorists, ie this time available to the terrorists to relocate safely. Operational necessity is to shrink the sensor to shooter time.

If possible Rafale would have been my choice for NAF

Anyways capability build up for any air force is always a on going process.

bidexiii:



I love the paintings.

Good job the NAF Engineers & leadership

bidexiii:


For the present threat(primary requirement); the tucano & jf 17 isn't a bad idea.

For the future threat assessments the Rafale is not something visible for the NAF.

I see us buying the Su-35/37 jets.