bidexiii:
BREAKING NEWS:

Joint Task Force constituted by COAS Lt Gen TY Buratai comprising officers and soldiers from 3 Division Quick Response Team, Operation Safe Haven, Nigeria Police Force, Vehicle Inspection Office, Fire Service, as well as Local Divers have found the vehicle belonging to Maj Gen Alkali RTD at a pond in Paddock in Lafendeg Du Plateau State.
More Details later.

another diversion from the killing of over 20+ people on the 28/29 of this month in jos.

allexpensive:

We just lost a JF-17 certified pilot.

what a big loss

Nigeria's guided missile test range in Ekpe and guided missile components and testing....watch this space.

giles14:
how I even wished that ipob was a terrorist group as you mentioned them. pls wot of them Fulani militia wot are dey

Abii oO.......

CAS PAYS CONDOLENCE VISIT TO THE FAMILY OF LATE SQUADRON LEADER MOHAMMED BELLO BABA-ARI, VISITS SURVIVING PILOTS IN HOSPITAL

The Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Baba Abubakar, has today, 29 September 2018, paid a condolence visit to the family of late Squadron Leader (Sqn Ldr) Mohammed Bello Baba-Ari, the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) pilot who died yesterday as a result of an air mishap. The CAS, who was received by the deceased’s father, Alhaji Abu Baba-Ari, lauded the sterling virtues of the late senior officer, stating that he was an exceptional officer who excelled in virtually every area of his career. Air Marshal Abubakar described late Baba-Ari as an intelligent, articulate, hardworking, resourceful and dedicated officer who was well liked and respected by his peers, subordinates and superiors alike. He stated that Baba-Ari had distinguished himself as an outstanding combat pilot who had made tangible contributions in the counter terrorism operations in the North East. He urged the family to take solace in the fact that their son was a hero, who had made the supreme sacrifice in service to the nation. He prayed that God would continue to comfort the entire family. Prayers were also offered for the peaceful repose of the deceased NAF pilot’s soul.

The CAS was accompanied on the condolence visit by a team comprising all 10 Branch Heads from NAF Headquarters as well as the Air Officer Commanding Tactical Air Command and Commander 101 Air Defence Group, where late San Ldr Baba-Ari previously served as acting Commander. The CAS also later undertook a follow up visit to the Defence Intelligence Agency Medical Centre to check on the 2 surviving pilots, who are recuperating extremely well.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force

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PERMANENT SECRETARY MINISTRY OF DEFENCE COMMISERATES WITH CAS ON THE DEATH OF SQUADRON LEADER BABA-ARI

In continuation of the overwhelming show of support and solidarity that has attended the demise of Nigerian Air Force (NAF) pilot, Squadron Leader (Sqn Ldr) Mohammed Bello Baba-Ari, the Permanent Secretary Ministry of Defence (MOD), Mrs Nuratu Batagarawa, has today, 29 September 2018, paid a condolence visit to the Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar. Mrs Batagarawa, who was accompanied on the visit by the Director Air Force MOD and other Directors from the Ministry, conveyed the condolences of the Honourable Minister of Defence, Mansur Dan-Ali, to the CAS, officers, airmen, airwomen and civilian staff of the Service for the irreparable loss. She prayed that God would comfort the entire NAF family and grant the departed eternal rest. She also prayed for the quick recovery of the 2 pilots that survived the incident.

In response, the CAS thanked the Permanent Secretary for the immense show of support. He noted that the complex nature of air operations implies that the risk of something going wrong cannot be totally ruled out. He pointed out that even some of the most advanced nations still experience such incidents, despite the sophistication of their aircraft and robustness of their support infrastructure. He stated that this risk had been accepted by NAF personnel in the performance of their constitutional roles. Speaking further, the CAS intimated Mrs Batagarawa that late Sqn Ldr Baba-Ari was a calm, knowledgeable, organized and committed officer, who was not only an excellent pilot, but also an effective leader, who often handled responsibilities far above his age and rank. He stated that Sqn Ldr Baba-Ari's death was therefore a huge loss to the NAF. Air Marshal Abubakar however noted that the Service was consoled by the legacy left behind by the deceased officer and would ensure all steps are taken to prevent a reoccurrence. The CAS equally briefed the Permanent Secretary that the 2 surviving pilots were doing extremely well.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force

it seems they ejected at low altitude.

I just watched those blue Angels their video..those guys dey use their life play oo

But Sha nice performance by them

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Kalapizim:
it seems they ejected at low altitude.

Yes, with the video I saw they probably ejected at below 4000ft.

joshingjosh:
I just watched those blue Angels their video..those guys dey use their life play oo

But Sha nice performance by them

na their work be that na, there squadron was created for that purpose kawai..

joshingjosh:
I just watched those blue Angels their video..those guys dey use their life play oo

But Sha nice performance by them

You mean the United States Navy "Blue Angel"....

Those guys are badt ass aerobatic pilots.

ugo4u:

Yes, with the video I saw they probably ejected at below 4000ft.

ever heard of "zero-zero" ejection seat?

joshingjosh:
I just watched those blue Angels their video..those guys dey use their life play oo

But Sha nice performance by them

Oga, share the link to the video na.

lionel4power:
ever heard of "zero-zero" ejection seat?

Nope.. But i want to believe it is an ejection seat that can be safely deployed from very low altitude.
But I don't think any of NAF's platform have such(Modern) ejection seat.

Xbee007:

Oga, share the link to the video na.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KbdoPu5qQ

allexpensive:


We just lost a JF-17 certified pilot.

Are we getting the JF-17 at all? For the Nigerian Air Force that is very media savvy, we've never heard any confirmation of any JF-17 purchase, irrespective of what the budget says.

What's your take?

The pilot's patch probably means nothing.

Henry240:

Are we getting the JF-17 at all? For the Nigerian Air Force that is very media savvy, we've never heard any confirmation of any JF-17 purchase, irrespective of what the budget says.

What's your take?

The pilot's patch probably means nothing.

I think all they've been doing this past couple years is avoiding to comment on the jf-17s...it may be a problem from the pakistanis...you know, them trying to get it right on their domestic needs or maybe the NAF trying to satisfy their rotor wings requirement before focusing on large procurement of fixed wings

lionel4power:
ever heard of "zero-zero" ejection seat?

Nem once gave an exposé on "zero-zeros". Some altitudes are dangerous to eject in

Odunayaw:
Nem once gave an exposé on "zero-zeros". Some altitudes are dangerous to eject in

"zero-zero" means.. 0 altitude and 0 velocity.


that means that even though an aircraft pilot is seating on the ground and pull the ejection switch, he'll still land safely with his parachute fully deployed.

Henry240:

Are we getting the JF-17 at all? For the Nigerian Air Force that is very media savvy, we've never heard any confirmation of any JF-17 purchase, irrespective of what the budget says.

What's your take?

The pilot's patch probably means nothing.

My take;

At first NAF's vision for the JF17 was COIN driven,then came the Tucano (which was off table at the time of the vision). The vision for the JF17 has changed hence the seeming patience by NAF.

I believe some issues (minus funding) beyond NAF's control have pulled that acquisition down the to-buy list.
However we can see from snippets here and there that NAF is training for its arrival,whenever that is

lionel4power:
"zero-zero" means.. 0 altitude and 0 velocity.


that means that even though an aircraft pilot is seating on the ground and pull the ejection switch, he'll still land safely with his parachute fully deployed.

That's just the definition, I said Exposé

Nemesis8u please come in

lionel4power:
"zero-zero" means.. 0 altitude and 0 velocity.


that means that even though an aircraft pilot is seating on the ground and pull the ejection switch, he'll still land safely with his parachute fully deployed.

Correct yet not correct

lot of variables r involved during ejection, one of which might prove fatal eg unsafe orientation of the aircraft etc etc
Eg. If the aircraft is almost at stall speed and close to the ground but inclined side ways or upside down at the time of ejection due to unstable roll , what will happen to the seat trajectory, will it be within safety margins ?

Negative G is more dangerous than positive G. Seat stabilization mechanism exists but then it's performance depends on lot of factors. Then there is potent windblast, unsafe landing orientation etc

Generally pilots who eject dont return to fighter flight duties again, they r deployed to transport flight duties.
It depends on the injuries sustained.

Best option not to get in a situation where u need to eject. It's the last thing a pilot wants to experience. But it gives good fighting chance for the lady luck to come in.

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Super Tucano : Game Changer Or Pilot Killer?

Trainer aircrafts with secondary light attack capabilities provide the Nigerian Air Force a cheaper, more cost-effective way of dealing with low-end threats, and free up its more advanced fighters to deal with more serious adversaries...except in this case there are no advanced fighters to deal with serious threats in the NAF inventory. Sending a slower, more lightly armored, or even the incoming propeller-driven Super Tucano plane into battle, even in relatively permissive environments could put pilots at risk of being shot down or even killed.

For years, the Air Force has used fighters such as the Dassault Donnier Alpha jet and Aero L-29 Albatros trainers to wage war against Boko Haram and other militant groups in Nigeria.

But even with none of those groups having any semblance of an air force, and with limited air defense capability at best, the Air Force has still at times sent its fastest and most advanced fighter, the F-7Ni fighter up against targets that are way below their weight class.

Tensions on the disputed Lake Chad basin are higher than its been in decades since the Chadian incursion of 83, due in most part to the receding Lake, and growing evidence about Covert operations against the Nigerian state stoking concern that Nigeria could be on the verge of another territorial dispute after the loss of Bakassi to Cameroon. And with Nigeria nervous about the expanding militarization of West Africa, once Nigeria's sphere of influence, the Air Force might soon find itself needing to send more aircraft to deter illegal and unauthorized foreign incursion on Nigerian territory. God forbid if things go wrong, the Air Force is going to need as many reconnaissance and air defence aircraft as possible to operate in what will then be highly contested environments.

So, if the Air Force adds the JF-17 Multi-role fighter and Super Tucano aircraft to its inventory it could have the flexibility to respond to those emergencies with its most advanced aircraft without leaving the Air campaign against the Boko guys unattended to by.

Super Tucano



Buying such an “off-the-shelf” airplane would provide a low-cost way to strike violent extremist groups, without the high costs of maintaining and operating the Chengdu F-7Ni Airguard fighter, a high-speed interceptor whose primary role is to provide air defense for Nigeria's airspace. A light attack aircraft could conceivably “free up higher cost, higher performance F-7Ni fighter from doing low-threat missions, which would allow Nigeria time to prepare for more complex threats with those assets rather than stress and needlessly puts it at risk.

Adding a light attack capability to the Air Force’s suite of weapons systems makes sense for other reasons as well. The Super Tucano in the inventory, especially with their low flight costs, would mean more cockpits that could be used to keep pilots current, allowing them to more quickly transition over to more advanced aircraft if necessary.

Super Tucano could also take on some of the close-air support missions that Nigeria's limited (now 7 jets available for combat) now perform at much higher cost. The Super Tucano typically costs $1,000 per hour to fly. That’s less than 1/20th what it costs to fly a Mach 2 high-speed interceptor.

The idea of the NAF operating these things as the nation's frontline fighters is strange. I don’t think there’s any other air force that has, or would consider platforms like the Super Tucano as frontline asset. Countries that currently operates or intends to operate this aircraft do so as a specialised platform strictly for COIN operations and already have several or at least a dedicated platform of fighters for air superiority or air to air roles.

It will be an unmitigated disaster for Nigeria if it use the Super Tucano for air to air or air to ground roles against an enemy with an air force or anti-aircraft systems. It’s low, it’s slow and vulnerable, and the air defense environment has become a lot more sophisticated. They fly lower and slower than third or fourth-gen fighters.

The SU-25 and MIG-29 or even MiG-21 fighters in service with the air forces of most poor African countries have maximum airspeeds of at least close to Mach 1 and flight ceilings of 65,000 feet and above 50,00 feet. Heck even the Alpha jet has a top speed of 968 km/h or almost Mach 1 and has a service ceiling of 48,000 feet.

The Super Tucano, on the other hand, has a maximum airspeed of 366 miles per hour, and a ceiling of 35,000 feet.

But having the aircraft to provide close-air support and counterinsurgency support would also mean less wear and tear on the nation's only Air Defence aircraft, the F-7Ni fighter. This would free up those aircraft so pilots could spend more time training for combat in high-threat situations rather than risking all on low intensity operations or doing air shows. Most air forces have dedicated platforms for air shows and will never use capital aircraft for aerobatics.

But herein lies the danger. Given Nigeria's predisposition for complacency and its " buy it when we need it " way of doing things, the need for the acquisition of frontline tactical fighters will be abandoned if the Super Tucano ordered is delivered before the arrival of any JF'17. This will see Nigeria responding to external threats with every asset it has. In such a scenario the limitations of the $600 million light attack aircraft makes it too risky to fly, even in more permissive environments such as the northeast.

Rather than expend $600 million on 12 Super Tucano aircraft, with a unit price of $11 million Nigeria could still go cheap have aquiring a squadron of SU-25 Frogfoot fighter for less than $200 million and have it delivered much sooner than 2021. Not only is it cheaper, it's better suited for close air support missions as well. Its one thing for the SU-25 to fly low and slow, since it’s built like a titanium bathtub and is jam-packed with ordnance.

Pics
1. Super Tucano.
2. Aero L-29 trainer/light attack.
3.F-7N pilot.


But if the pilot of a lightly armored Super Tucano found himself targeted by insurgents wielding MANPADS, a man-portable air defense system, or other weaponry, possibly even small-arms fire, 12.7mm DShK heavy machine guns, or rocket-propelled grenades used extensively by even Boko Haram. the poor pilot and possibly father of kids could be in trouble without the ability to even eject to safety

That looks like a recipe to get the poor killed. It doesn’t have the power to get the hell away. It’s not like it chooses to go at a couple hundred knots and then accelerate to Mach 2, it just can’t. Granted every occupation has its risks, but the potential risk to pilots in light attack aircraft would be alarming.

In 2015, an Alpha jet pilot was captured by Boko Haram after being shot down and later beheaded. I've seen ISIS do worse in Syria, burning captured pilots alive. The Super Tucano light attack aircraft is intended for particular environments and missions and should not represent Nigeria's primary attack aircraft acquisition with less emphases of acquiring combat aircraft with air to air and ground capabilities.

The Super Tucano should be based on the mission that its needed for. No rational thinking person would put a light attack aircraft in the same environment that you would put an F-7Ni or JF-17 fighter, or even, potentially the Alpha jet, whose near Mach 1 speed gives it a greater chance of fleeing or escaping enemy fire. The lives of young Nigerian pilots who volunteer to serve should not in any way be compromised.

The cost savings from operating the Super Tucano solely is not worth the added risk to pilots. Nigeria must have different systems for different kinds of missions. We’re not talking just about economics, we’re talking about lives. What higher percentage of casualties is Nigeria willing to accept as a result of refusing to acquire high performance fighter jets and stubbornly continuing spending hundreds if millions of dollars acquiring and using these low and slow planes?


There are many pundits who claim that the Air Force doesn’t have the budget and resources to absorb 4th gen aircraft. But the service has for years struggled to close its aircraft shortfall by improvisation. Playing economics has come with devastating consequences. Soldiers killed because NAF is unable to provide critical CAS because there are simply not enough planes. This has hampered its readiness, and has driven the service to neat extinction.

Yet the service deems it fit to deplete the nation's treasury by close to a billion dollars to buy 12 slow lightly protected aircraft. If you look at the pluses and minuses in this very bizarre acquisition to be delivered 2020, which could drag into 2023, I come up with the answer of, this is not worth the investment. It’s not worth the time, and the money that the Air Force does not have right now to spend on turbo prop aircraft to be used against an enemy that will be defeated on the ground.

https://defensenigeria.blog/2018/09/30/super-tucano-game-changer-or-pilot-killer/

nemesis8u:


Correct yet not correct

lot of variables r involved during ejection, one of which might prove fatal eg unsafe orientation of the aircraft etc etc
Eg. If the aircraft is almost at stall speed and close to the ground but inclined side ways or upside down at the time of ejection due to unstable roll , what will happen to the seat trajectory, will it be within safety margins ?

Negative G is more dangerous than positive G. Seat stabilization mechanism exists but then it's performance depends on lot of factors. Then there is potent windblast, unsafe landing orientation etc

Generally pilots who eject dont return to fighter flight duties again, they r deployed to transport flight duties.
It depends on the injuries sustained.

Best option not to get in a situation where u need to eject. It's the last thing a pilot wants to experience. But it gives good fighting chance for the lady luck to come in.

@odunayaw

the first thing they teach you in flight school is never eject upside down.. or in any position other than straight.

when ejecting, you put your arms and legs deep inside the "protective" cover of the 0-0 ejection seat.


0-0 ejection seats have sufficient rocket booster to thrust the pilot in a safe enough distance vertically from the ground before the parachute is deployed. That's why it's called "zero-zero".

the only fathomable reason a pilot will eject in the wrong orientation is if he is losing consciousness or vertigo induced blackout (or redout) as the case maybe.

however, such incidents are rare and are usually prevented by the use of modern pilot G-suits.

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in the Nigerian F-7Ni case, I'll attribute the pilot's death to lack of proper training in ejection procedure or the use of non-modern ejection seat.

lionel4power:

@odunayaw

the first thing they teach you in flight school is never eject upside down.. or in any position other than straight.

when ejecting, you put your arms and legs deep inside the "protective" cover of the 0-0 ejection seat.


0-0 ejection seats have sufficient rocket booster to thrust the pilot in a safe enough distance vertically from the ground before the parachute is deployed. That's why it's called "zero-zero".

the only fathomable reason a pilot will eject in the wrong orientation is if he is losing consciousness or vertigo induced blackout (or redout) as the case maybe.

however, such incidents are rare and are usually prevented by the use of modern pilot G-suits.

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in the Nigerian F-7Ni case, I'll attribute the pilot's death to lack of proper training in ejection procedure or the use of non-modern ejection seat.

This has nothing to do with the training accident. The Air Force is too small, stretched beyond breaking point with no end it sight. The loss of each aircraft puts Nigeria in a precarious situation. You realize Nigeria at this point may be able to send only FOUR fighter jets. Four aircraft. The Alpha jet is air to ground only, so is the L-29. Not only that, these aircraft will be shot down easily in a hostile environment. The only aircraft on the nation's inventory able to intercept, challenge, fog fight amd shoot doen an enemy aircraft or a SAM protected environment are Four or Five fighter jet. This is precarious.

lionel4power:


the first thing they teach you in flight school is never eject upside down.. or in any position other than straight.

when ejecting, you put your arms and legs deep inside the "protective" cover of the 0-0 ejection seat.


0-0 ejection seats have sufficient rocket booster to thrust the pilot in a safe enough distance vertically from the ground before the parachute is deployed. That's why it's called "zero-zero".

the only fathomable reason a pilot will eject in the wrong orientation is if he is losing consciousness or vertigo induced blackout (or redout) as the case maybe.

however, such incidents are rare and are usually prevented by the use of modern pilot G-suits.

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in the Nigerian F-7Ni case, I'll attribute the pilot's death to lack of proper training in ejection procedure or the use of non-modern ejection seat.

You're actually in a good position to attribute to anything seeing how comfy your sofa is

nemesis8u:


Correct yet not correct

lot of variables r involved during ejection, one of which might prove fatal eg unsafe orientation of the aircraft etc etc
Eg. If the aircraft is almost at stall speed and close to the ground but inclined side ways or upside down at the time of ejection due to unstable roll , what will happen to the seat trajectory, will it be within safety margins ?

Negative G is more dangerous than positive G. Seat stabilization mechanism exists but then it's performance depends on lot of factors. Then there is potent windblast, unsafe landing orientation etc

Generally pilots who eject dont return to fighter flight duties again, they r deployed to transport flight duties.
It depends on the injuries sustained.

Best option not to get in a situation where u need to eject. It's the last thing a pilot wants to experience. But it gives good fighting chance for the lady luck to come in.

Some ejector seats have sensors to correct Pilots attitude during upside sown ejection.

Odunayaw:
You're actually in a good position to attribute to anything seeing how comfy your sofa is

Plzzz rest