Assalam alaykum.

The field of Islamic medicine is a comprehensive one, and there are numerous ahadith proferring advice on various types of medical treatments; many of which have been scorned by non-Muslims; many of whom are not of the medical proffession, and are often too lazy to research the subject. It should be pointed out that in the scientific field of medicine, numerous studies are ongoing, and medical/ pharmaceutical knowledge is far from complete. However, research carried out so far has given us many proofs that much of what the prophet (saw) recommended as of medical benefit, did indeed present such (as if we need more evidence than the Quran or the hadith anyway, but for the benefit of our disbelieving colleagues);


Let us look at some of these prophetic advices on medical treatment...

THE HADITH OF THE FLY:

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673)"

A typical unlearned unbeliever will scornfully dismiss the possibility of a fly having antidotes to pathogens on its wings. The fact is that there IS research on antibiotics on fly surfaces; and the justification is that the presence of pathogens in which flies tend to live, must necessitate the presence on the flies, of antidotes to these pathogens, in order for the fly to remain unaffected itself.

Turned out that the prophet (saw) WAS right. Medical research continues. Here are some excerpts from them...


Article 1:
From http://abc.gov.au/science/articles/2002/10/01/689400.htm: (This is an official Government web site)
The new buzz on antibiotics

Tuesday, 1 October 2002 Danny Kingsley - ABC Science Online

Ugly but useful: The sheep blowfly
is one of the fly species that might
provide humans with new
antibiotics. (Pic: BioTrack.)
Related Stories

The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts.
Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly's development.
"Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before," said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group's findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne this week. The project is part of her PhD thesis.
The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria.
Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke.
They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control).
As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile).
Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke.
"The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction."
The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.
When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time.
"We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised.
Because the compounds are not from bacteria, any genes conferring resistance to them may not be as easily transferred into pathogens. It is hoped this new form of antibiotics will have a longer effective therapeutic life.


Article 2:
From http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15462958:
(Another official Government web site)

Antibacterial action of Myiasis-causing flies.

Erdmann GR.
Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.

Some species of calliphorid blowflies lay their eggs in wounds; their larvae develop by feeding on the tissue, and the infection is known as myiasis or fly-strike. But wounds, from whatever cause, are frequently contaminated with bacteria - many o f which can spread in the bloodstream causing septicaemia and/or toxaemia. For example, wound contamination with Clostridium welchii - leading to 'gas gangrene' - was a frequent cause of death amongst battlefield casualties. It is from such situations that early observations were made on the beneficial effect of some blowfly larvae in limiting the bacterial infection of wounds. Indeed, some military surgeons would deliberately infest wounds with blowfly maggots in order to prevent bacterial complications. Now, a century or two later, the search for new antibiotics had led researchers back to these early observations, and in this article, Gory Erdmann describes progress in understanding the antibacterial action of blowfly maggots.

PMID: 15462958 [PubMed]

And so on and so forth; a simple google search will produce numerous related research results.

THE HADITH OF CAMEL MILK AND URINE:

Bukhari : Book 7 :: Volume 71 :: Hadith 590
Narrated Anas:

The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy...."

Anyone working in the pharmaceutical or medical field will likely know that a large number of drugs are produced by filtering out certain compounds found in the urine of various animals and even humans, such as Premarin, Pergonal and various menotropins, used commonly as human medications in a multi billion dollar industry. There is therefore, nothing strange in camel urine being taken as therapy.

Let us look at camel urine specifically in scientific research...

Article 1:

Effects of Heating and Storage on the Antifungal Activity of Camel Urine
Ahlam Al-Awadi and Awatif Al-Judaibi*
Department of Biological Science, Microbiology Section, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, KSA
Corresponding Author : Awatif Al-Judaibi
Department of Biological Science
, Microbiology Section, King Abdulaziz University
Jeddah, KSA
Tel: 966505660345
Email: aamaljudaibi@kau.edu.sa

Received October 09, 2014; Accepted November 28, 2014; Published December 21, 2014

Citation: Al-Awadi A and Al-Judaibi A (2014) Effects of Heating and Storage on the Antifungal Activity of Camel Urine. Clin Microbiol 3:179. doi: 10.4172/2327-5073.1000179

Copyright: © 2014 Al-Awadi A, et al. This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.

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Abstract...

Camel urine, considered a ‘miraculous’ drug used in Prophetic Medicine, since the pre-Islamic era camel milk and urine were used as drinking medicine for different health problems. In addition, camel urine has proven to be effective as an antimicrobial agent, and may not have side effects for humans. Furthermore, camel urine may be resistant to factors such as high temperatures and an extensive waiting period in laboratory conditions, which can reduce the effectiveness of antibiotics. The aim of our study was to examine the effectiveness of camel urine as an antifungal agent following exposure to high temperatures and long time periods in laboratory conditions. After maintaining camel urine in natural laboratory conditions for 6 weeks at temperatures of up to 100°C, we tested camel urine on the fungi Aspergillus niger and Fusarium oxysporum, and on the yeast Candida albicans. We then measured the dry weight of each microorganism, and determined their minimum inhibitory and fungicidal concentrations. Our results showed that after maintained for 6 weeks, camel urine did not lose its antifungal activity; dry weights following treatment were decreased 100% of the dry weight prior to treatment for Aspergillus niger and Candida albicans, and 53.33% for Fusarium oxysporum. Our study demonstrates that camel urine is a highly effective and resilient antifungal agent for treating human and plant fungal diseases.

Please note the last statement.

Article 2:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1753-6561/6/S4/P42

This article is in pdf format and it shows the specific effect of camel urine on the pancreatic and liver cells.


ON CAMEL MILK...

Publications
Camel Milk and Autoimmune Diseases: Historical Medicine by Dr. Reuven Yagil
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Below are links to scientific papers that have been published in peer-reviewed publications.
THE FOLATE FACTOR
Dan Rossignol, MD(1) and Richard Frye, MD, PhD(2)
(1)Rossignol Medical Centre, FL & (2)U of Texas, Houston
Biomedial Update p.42-46
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POTENTIAL ACTIVITY OF CAMEL MILK-AMYLASE AND LACTOFERRIN AGAINST HEPATITIS C VIRUS INFECTIVITY IN HEPG2 AND LYMPHOCYTES
El-Fakharany EM, Tabll A, Abd El-Wahab A, Haroun BM, Redwan EM
Antibody Laboratory, Protein Research Department, Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology Research Institute, Alexandria, Egypt | Botany and Microbiology Department, Faculty of Science, Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt
Hepatitis Monthly Vol.8(2) 2008, pg. 101-109
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CAMEL MILK - NEW OBSERVATIONS
U. Wernery
Central Veterinary Labs, Dubai, UAE
Proceedings of International Camel Conference, Feb. 16/17, 2007, pg 200 - 204
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THE EFFECT OF HEAT TREATMENT, PASTEURIZATION AND DIFFERENT STORAGE TEMPERATURES ON INSULIN CONCENTRATIONS IN CAMEL MILK
U. Wernery, P. Nagy, I. Bhai, W.Schiele and B. Johnson
Central Veterinary Labs, Dubai, UAE | Dubai Hospital, Dubai, UAE
Milchwissenschaft 61 (1) 2006
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INSULIN CONTENT IN RAW DROMEDARY MILK AND SERUM MEASURED OVER ONE LACTATION PERIOD
U. Wernery, B. Johnson and W. Tawfig Ishmail
Central Veterinary Labs, Dubai, UAE | Dubai Hospital, Dubai, UAE
Journal of Camel Practice and Research 13(2), p. 89-90, 2006
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DETECTION OF ANTIMICROBIAL RESIDUES IN CAMEL MILK - SUITABILITY OF VARIOUS COMMERCIAL MICROBIAL INHIBITOR TESTS AS SCREENING TESTS
A. Strasser, K.-J. Zaadhof, V. Eberlein, U. Wernery and E. Martlbauer
Institute for Hygiene & Technology of Food of Animal Origin, Germany | Central Veterinary Labs, Dubai, UAE
Milchwissenschaft 61 (1) 2006
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SELECTED VITAMINS AND FATTY ACID PATTERNS IN DROMEDARY MILK AND COLOSTRUM
T. Stahl, H.-P. Sallmann, R. Duehlmeier, U. Wernery
Inst. of Physiological Chem, Hannover, Germany | U of Vet Medicine, Hannover, Germany | CVRL, Dubai, UAE
Journal of Camel Practice and Research 13(1), p. 53-57, 2006
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ETIOLOGY OF AUTISM AND CAMEL MILK AS THERAPY
Yosef Shabo, PhD, MD1 and Reuven Yagil, DVM2
1Departments of Family Medicine and Physiology, Faculty of Health Sciences and 2Department of Physiology, Faculty of Health Sciences, Ben Gurion University of the Negev, Beersheva, Israel
International Journal on Disability and Human Development 2005;4(2):67-70
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EFFECT OF RAW CAMEL MILK IN TYPE 1 DIABETIC PATIENTS: 1 YEAR RANDOMISED STUDY
R.P. Agrawal, R. Beniwal, S. Sharma, D.K. Kochar, F.C. Tuteja, S.K.Ghorui1 and M.S. Sahani2
Department of Medicine, S.P. Medical College, Bikaner-334003, INDIA
Journal of Camel Practice and Research 12(1), p. 27-35, 2005
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CAMEL MILK FOR FOOD ALLERGIES IN CHILDREN
Y. Shabo1, R. Barzel3, M. Margoulis1, R. Yagil2
1Faculty of Health Science, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel, 2Maccabi Health Services, Beer Sheva, Israel, 3Soroka University Hospital, Beer Sheva, Israel
IMAJ 2005: 7: December: 796-798
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THE HADITH ON HONEY:

In the Qur’an, Allah informs us about the honey of honey bees, that their honey varies in colour and that it is a healing for mankind. He the Most High said: “There comes forth from their bellies, a drink of varying colour wherein is healing for men. Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think. [16:69]

The sunnah also contains a number of reports on the assured efficacy of honey...

Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree narrated, “A man came to the Messenger (saw) and said, ‘My brother has pain in his stomach’, so the Messenger (saw) said: ‘Give him honey to drink.’ The man came back and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah! It only increased his illness!’ So the Messenger (saw) said, ‘Give him honey to drink.’ The man came back and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah! It only increased his illness!’ The Messenger of Allaah (saw) said ‘Allah spoke the truth and your brother’s belly has lied. Go and give him honey to drink.’ He went and gave him honey and was then cured.” [Bukhari (5684), Muslim (2217)].


Article 1:
Bacteria found in honeybees could be used as an alternative to antibiotics and in the fight against antibiotic-resistant strains of MRSA, scientists have claimed.

For millenia, raw unmanufactured honey has been used to treat infections.
Scientists believe its effectiveness could lie in a unique formula comprised of 13 types of lactic acid bacteria found in the stomachs of bees. The bacteria, which are no longer active in shop-bought honey, produce a myriad of active anti-microbial compounds.
The findings could be vital both in developing countries, where fresh honey is easily available, as well as for Western countries where antibiotic resistance is an increasingly concerning issue.
By applying the bacteria to pathogens found in severe human wounds - including MRSA - scientists from Lund University, Sweden, found that the formula from a bee’s stomach successfully counteracted the infections.
Researchers believe that the formula works so potently because it contains a broad spectrum of active substances, unlike conventional man-made antibiotics.
"Antibiotics are mostly one active substance, effective against only a narrow spectrum of bacteria. When used alive, these 13 lactic acid bacteria produce the right kind of antimicrobial compounds as needed, depending on the threat,” Dr Tobias Olofsson of the Medical Microbiology department at Lund Unviersity explained.
"It seems to have worked well for millions of years of protecting bees' health and honey against other harmful microorganisms.
"However, since store-bought honey doesn't contain the living lactic acid bacteria, many of its unique properties have been lost in recent times," he added.
To take the study forward, scientists will investigate wider clinical use against topical infections, on both humans and animals.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/scientists-discover-why-raw-honey-is-so-effective-at-treating-infections-30578454.html#player_load

Also, honey is used nowadays as therapy of choice in burns. Research is still ongoing on the numerous other possible health benefits of honey, many of which may have not been found as yet.

HADITH ON THE BLACK CUMMINS SEED

Abu Hurayrah (A.S.) narrated that he heard Allah's Messenger (PBUH) saying:
“In the black cumin seed (Nigella sativa seed) there is a healing for every illness except death”.

Bukhari and Muslim.


To be continued insha Allah...

Jazakallahu khairan. Do add this to the library

barakallahu fihi OP...

Abuamam:
THE HADITH OF CAMEL MILK AND URINE:

Bukhari : Book 7 :: Volume 71 :: Hadith 590
Narrated Anas:

The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy...."

"Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful." {Quran 7: 157}

The hadith in deliberation allegedly indicated the Prophet of Islam "recommended" two things as source of good health and cure of diseases:

* Camel's Urine

* Camel's Milk

Examining the Matn (content) of the Hadith
In the light of the above noble verse of the holy Qur'an, it is crystal clear the Prophet makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things

Obviously, Milk is lawful and good but urine is impure. The basic rule to discern the authenticity of Muhammad's word (hadith) is its conformity and agreement with the Book of Allah. Any hadith that is not in conformity with the Book of Allah is batil (false)

The best possibility of this hadith (in deliberation) is that "the urine part of the camel" is an interpolation.

Cultural Norms
In this part of the world (western Nigeria to be exact) where Camel is not domesticated, Cow and horse's Urine are being used by some traditional native doctors who claimed it cures "some diseases".

Even if by any chance at all camel's urine could work on "diseases", its toxic and obnoxious nature due to the presence of certain poisonous components (like Urea, uric acid etc in higher percentage) makes the evil in it greater than the intended usage. This is how Qur'an forbid Alcohol{After all, there are some benefits in alcohol}.


Allah knows best.

Abuamam:

Anyone working in the pharmaceutical or medical field will likely know that a large number of drugs are produced by filtering out certain compounds found in the urine of various animals and even humans, such as Premarin, Pergonal and various menotropins, used commonly as human medications in a multi billion dollar industry. There is therefore, nothing strange in camel urine being taken as therapy.

I am a Chemist with years of Experience in Pharmaceutical industry.

The underlined throws the argument into thrash-bin. Take for example, Premarin. It is an isolated hormone (estrogen) from a Pregnant Mare's urine. Normally pregnant mammals produce certain hormones which can be found in their urine. Here, scientist never talks about drinking the Urine of a pregnant mare but isolating (extracting) a component in it.

Again, if at all there is a component useful in Camel's urine, other poisonous and toxic components in large quantities make it very dangerous for consumption. This is one of the reason why Islam forbid many things {because their evil out-weigh their benefit}.

The hadith never talks about "isolating a component" perhaps by boiling, filtering etc. Unless it can be proving that the ancient Arab have a way of treating Camel's urine before drink.

Abuamam:

Let us look at camel urine specifically in scientific research...

Article 1:

Effects of Heating and Storage on the Antifungal Activity of Camel Urine
Ahlam Al-Awadi and Awatif Al-Judaibi*
Department of Biological Science, Microbiology Section, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, KSA
Corresponding Author : Awatif Al-Judaibi
Department of Biological Science
, Microbiology Section, King Abdulaziz University
Jeddah, KSA
Tel: 966505660345
Email: aamaljudaibi@kau.edu.sa

Received October 09, 2014; Accepted November 28, 2014; Published December 21, 2014

Citation: Al-Awadi A and Al-Judaibi A (2014) Effects of Heating and Storage on the Antifungal Activity of Camel Urine. Clin Microbiol 3:179. doi: 10.4172/2327-5073.1000179

Copyright: © 2014 Al-Awadi A, et al. This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.

Related article at
Pubmed Scholar Google

Visit for more related articles at
Clinical Microbiology: Open Access

Abstract...

Camel urine, considered a ‘miraculous’ drug used in Prophetic Medicine, since the pre-Islamic era camel milk and urine were used as drinking medicine for different health problems. In addition, camel urine has proven to be effective as an antimicrobial agent, and may not have side effects for humans. Furthermore, camel urine may be resistant to factors such as high temperatures and an extensive waiting period in laboratory conditions, which can reduce the effectiveness of antibiotics. The aim of our study was to examine the effectiveness of camel urine as an antifungal agent following exposure to high temperatures and long time periods in laboratory conditions. After maintaining camel urine in natural laboratory conditions for 6 weeks at temperatures of up to 100°C, we tested camel urine on the fungi Aspergillus niger and Fusarium oxysporum, and on the yeast Candida albicans. We then measured the dry weight of each microorganism, and determined their minimum inhibitory and fungicidal concentrations. Our results showed that after maintained for 6 weeks, camel urine did not lose its antifungal activity; dry weights following treatment were decreased 100% of the dry weight prior to treatment for Aspergillus niger and Candida albicans, and 53.33% for Fusarium oxysporum. Our study demonstrates that camel urine is a highly effective and resilient antifungal agent for treating human and plant fungal diseases.

Please note the last statement.

Article 2:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1753-6561/6/S4/P42

This article is in pdf format and it shows the specific effect of camel urine on the pancreatic and liver cells.

There are far more scientific research that disprove the above so-called "research".

Perharps we should exercise caution with this Hadiith.

kazlaw2000:
Perharps we should exercise caution with this Hadiith.

There is sufficient evidence to authenticate the hadith. If we were to authenticate hadith based on what we THINK is ok and what we THINK is not, then much if the tenets of Islam will collapse like a pack of cards. For example, if a group or sect of 'Muslims' decide that grave worship is good, then decide that ALL hadith that discourage grave worship are unauthentic, does that not mean the collapse of monotheism?

In Islam, tenets and beliefs are based on authentic evidence; not the other way round. Evidence comes BEFORE the belief.

AlBaqir:

"Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful." {Quran 7: 157}
The hadith in deliberation allegedly indicated the Prophet of Islam "recommended" two things as source of good health and cure of diseases:
* Camel's Urine
* Camel's Milk
Examining the Matn (content) of the Hadith
In the light of the above noble verse of the holy Qur'an, it is crystal clear the Prophet makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things
Obviously, Milk is lawful and good but urine is impure.

The extant rule is that the urine of any animal that can be eaten is pure. In fact, anything is, by default, pure. There has to be a countering evidence FROM AUTHENTIC SOURCES, that negate its impurity.


It is proven in Saheeh Muslim that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about praying in sheep pens and he said: “Pray in them for they are a blessing.” And he did not tell the one who prayed there to avoid the urine and dung, even though he would usually find some of that.

There is a great deal of other evidence, which was discussed at length by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him). See Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (21/542-586).

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni (2/492):

The urine and faeces of animals whose flesh may be eaten is taahir. … Maalik said: The scholars do not regard the urine of animals whose meat is eaten and whose milk is drunk as najis (impure). … Ibn al-Mundhir said: Everyone from whom we acquired knowledge among the scholars is unanimously agreed that it is permissible to pray in sheep pens, apart from al-Shaafa’i who stipulated that it should be free of dung and urine. End quote.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (6/414):

The urine of animals whose meat may be eaten is taahir, and if it is used on the body for some purpose, there is nothing wrong with praying in that state. End quote.

AlBaqir:

The basic rule to discern the authenticity of Muhammad's word (hadith) is its conformity and agreement with the Book of Allah. Any hadith that is not in conformity with the Book of Allah is batil (false)
The best possibility of this hadith (in deliberation) is that "the urine part of the camel" is an interpolation.

'Conformity and agreement' here with whose interpretation of the Book of Allah. How does the hadith not conform with the Book of Allah? Prove your ppint before you declare it proven. This theory whereby any hadith is batil; that is not in conformity with the ideology of a certain sect or group, is deliberately intended to create chaos. There are other points to consider when declaring a hadith authentic. We Sunnis do not just categorise hadith off the top of our heads... and the proper methodology remains relevant; no matter who hates it.

AlBaqir:

Cultural Norms
In this part of the world (western Nigeria to be exact) where Camel is not domesticated, Cow and horse's Urine are being used by some traditional native doctors who claimed it cures "some diseases".
Even if by any chance at all camel's urine could work on "diseases", its toxic and obnoxious nature due to the presence of certain poisonous components (like Urea, uric acid etc in higher percentage) makes the evil in it greater than the intended usage. This is how Qur'an forbid Alcohol{After all, there are some benefits in alcohol}.
Allah knows best.
I am a Chemist with years of Experience in Pharmaceutical industry.
The underlined throws the argument into thrash-bin. Take for example, Premarin. It is an isolated hormone (estrogen) from a Pregnant Mare's urine. Normally pregnant mammals produce certain hormones which can be found in their urine. Here, scientist never talks about drinking the Urine of a pregnant mare but isolating (extracting) a component in it.
Again, if at all there is a component useful in Camel's urine, other poisonous and toxic components in large quantities make it very dangerous for consumption. This is one of the reason why Islam forbid many things {because their evil out-weigh their benefit}.
The hadith never talks about "isolating a component" perhaps by boiling, filtering etc. Unless it can be proving that the ancient Arab have a way of treating Camel's urine before drink.

Your being a chemist has no bearing on the issue; unless you have conducted research on the topic at hand. If you have conducted such a study, perhaps you can post your findings for us to peruse. If not, then your mentioning the fact has no bearing on the issue. So that is that about that.

Secondly, are you implying that premarin can be isolated from camel urine by boiling or filtering? In those times, there would not have been a possibility of isolating any specific compound. Therefore, in order to derive benefit from the specific compound, the whole would have to be drunk. Now perhaps, we may not need to drink camwl urine to achieve the healing purpose, but can rely on isolation processes to retrieve the active ingredient. In those days, it was not possible.

AlBaqir:

There are far more scientific research that disprove the above so-called "research".

Perhaps you could have referenced these rather than expect us to just accept your statement. In fact, PM701, the active ingredient isolated from camel urine has been patented in the US, and tested on humans as cancer therapy.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/inventor/khorshid-6/

kazlaw2000:
Perharps we should exercise caution with this Hadiith.

Yes my brother. Ahadith are not recorded and preserved as the Qur'an. Therefore it needs exploration, scrutiny and proper understanding.

In ALL Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence), based on the ruling of the Qur'an, Urine is impure and forbidden for consumption (in its natural composition). Yet impurity can be made pure after under going certain process(es) of purification.

Faeces (sh*t) is impure, but burning it where its odor, color and other physical/chemical characteristic features changes, then it is pure.
Same goes for Urine. If it is heated to certain degree, the poisonous Urea and the Uric acid will be decompose in their chemical structure whereby toxic NH3 (ammonia) and other gaseous materials will be release. Is this enough to make Urine (an impure liquid) pure?! Fiqh comes in. This is just a process out of many

Even, animal milk needs to be pasteurize first before drink. This is an ancient practice of all race, not to mention Urine.

Perhaps the hadith kept silent on these process(es) of "purification" because the Arabs knew it already (by default) being a common practice.

It is obvious from the Qur'an, Prophet will never allow the consumption of impurity

For anybody to think the hadith (that is, the noble wording) of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his household) is being questioned, attacked (which is Kufur anyway); that is a big misjudgment. Even Qur'an allowed itself to be scrutinized, not to mention of what is recorded about the saying of the Prophet centuries after his demise. Islam open the door of intellectual submission not emotional and dogmatic submission

Allah knows best.

Actually drinking urine raw is harmful. It can kill someone. I remember watching documentary back in '08, a guy was lost in the jungle without food and water. He drank his own urine but not before he purified it.

Also recently someone posted article showing process of purification of urine and feces in the presence of Bill Gate. He later drank from it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=bVzppWSIFU0
http://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/Omniprocessor-From-Poop-to-Potable

My take on this hadith is that it may have tafsir or it may be in part. That's, there may be other hadith that give more details. Just like ahadith of Dajjal, we know there are plenty of them.

They are breaking up into difference pieces. Some are detailed. Some are not. Probably same applies here. Maybe...just maybe there is other hadith that talks about its process of its purification before drinking it.

That's the only way (i believe) this hadith could earn credit.

I do not know why my reponse keeps getting me banned.

The urine of animals that are edible, is not impure; by consensus of the ulama of ahlul sunnah.

Drinking urine is not harmful. Urine is a sterile liquid, up to 95% water. Urine therapy is not unique to Muslims.

There have been studies that prove cytotoxic effect of certain components on cancer cells. The component (PM701) has been patented by the US patent office, and can be viewed in the link.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090297622#ixzz0d16hj3A3

The hadith is ranked as authentic. Its isnad is sound and there are other authentic hadith with sound narrations that support it. Those who have made the study of hadith a lifetime task, have defined the methods used to authenticate it. Only groups that do not have any methodology for authenticating hadith can fault it... purely on hawa.

We pray the Almighty Allah to protect us from taking our hawa as our ilah.

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Is there any related hadith that probably speaks of "purification process" of urine. I think it should be. The hadith in your op appears detached to me. I dont want to rely on solitary hadith like this 100% because looking at evidences provided by Al-Baqir, that's counterclaim right there.

I understand "study of hadith a lifetime task,..." by early researchers. But I still challenge authenticity of this solitary hadith. I am not saying it's bogus. I mean there is possibilty that there is more to it.

The research conducted at a university in the US on this hadith suggests purification process before application. I think I would disagree with you when you said "The urine of animals that are edible, is not impure;...". The reason is in my earlier post. I think urine is urine regardless. But it will interest me a lot if you can provide more evidence of its isnad and method of its authenticity.

Merely saying it's authentic is not really enough. Now, I have no doubt that urine and animal product are used in orthodox medicines today. This where I disagree with baqir. I know those Oyibo people do lots of sh*t (pardon me). They dont care about Halal/Haram.

Anyways, I think that the hadith is incomplete somehow. I think it has commentary. I can not drink raw urine of any animal. Again, let me remind you that I am not discarding this hadith 100%. I actually heard from a Sheik few months ago talked about this briefly but it was not subject of discussion that day.

Empiree:
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Is there any related hadith that probably speaks of "purification process" of urine. I think it should be. The hadith in your op appears detached to me. I dont want to rely on solitary hadith like this 100% because looking at evidences provided by Al-Baqir, that's counterclaim right there.

I understand "study of hadith a lifetime task,..." by early researchers. But I still challenge authenticity of this solitary hadith. I am not saying it's bogus. I mean there is possibilty that there is more to it.

The research conducted at a university in the US on this hadith suggests purification process before application. I think I would disagree with you when you said "The urine of animals that are edible, is not impure;...". The reason is in my earlier post. I think urine is urine regardless. But it will interest me a lot if you can provide more evidence of its isnad and method of its authenticity.

Merely saying it's authentic is not really enough. Now, I have no doubt that urine and animal product are used in orthodox medicines today. This where I disagree with baqir. I know those Oyibo people do lots of sh*t (pardon me). They dont care about Halal/Haram.

Anyways, I think that the hadith is incomplete somehow. I think it has commentary. I can not drink raw urine of any animal. Again, let me remind you that I am not discarding this hadith 100%. I actually heard from a Sheik few months ago talked about this briefly but it was not subject of discussion that day.

Did you notice how many times you used the words 'I think', in your effort to destroy a hadith that has been verified authentic. It is not a single hadith. It has been narrated through different paths. I am sure you could unearth its pathways with a little effort. Of course, your independent research might find that its narrators are all liars, in which case you are justified to 'think' what will put your heart at peace, that Bukhari and Muslim fabricated it. And while you are at it, perhaps you can rewrite all of the six books of ahadith, eliminating all the hadith of Aisha, Abu Huraira and any others who you 'think' are fabricators of hadith. It will surely be a service to Islam.

I am sure you could also research the purity or otherwise of the urine and faeces of edible animals which have been declared pure by all 4 ignorant trio of Ahmad bin hanbal, Imam Malik and Imam abu Hanifa, and the ignorant ibn Taimiyyah, along with the consensus of illiterate ulama, before you dismiss it with a facile 'urine is urine' comment.

Abuamam:


Did you notice how many times you used the words 'I think', in your effort to destroy a hadith that has been verified authentic. It is not a single hadith. It has been narrated through different paths.

umm, lol. this is not about destroying the hadith.

I am sure you could unearth its pathways with a little effort.[quote]Sure, I do research everyday. It may interest you if I bring this up again by next Ramadan. That's how I am. I take my time with research.

[quote]Of course, your independent research might find that its narrators are all liars, in which case you are justified to 'think' what will put your heart at peace, that Bukhari and Muslim fabricated it.[quote]Oh wooow, this is your hypothesis though. I believe in hadith. I am not those "Qur'anite. My point is there is a reason ahadith a classified. But I havent look into this one yet. It's not about if certain ahadith fit my rational faculty or not.

[quote]And while you are at it, perhaps you can rewrite all of the six books of ahadith, eliminating all the hadith of Aisha, Abu Huraira and any others who you 'think' are fabricators of hadith. It will surely be a service to Islam.

Lol, easy, if I disagree with certain hadith does not mean all. I am telling you, I used to think this way before i started making u-turn. You seem to believe that hadith (regardless) is infallible. Question I have for you with issue of Aishat(RA) is are you prepared to marry a six year old girl even if she meets all requirements for marriage?. This is the point.

I am sure you could also research the purity or otherwise of the urine and faeces of edible animals which have been declared pure by all 4 ignorant trio of Ahmad bin hanbal, Imam Malik and Imam abu Hanifa, and the ignorant ibn Taimiyyah, along with the consensus of illiterate ulama, before you dismiss it with a facile 'urine is urine' comment.

Lol, you too far. You think I denied these great men?. You think they could not have made mistakes at some point?. Little it might be?. Do you know implication of this when you think or believe hadith regardless, as long as it's unanimously agreed upon is correct?. This is tantamount to saying they are infallible. That's another doctrines on its own

Well, I love to dig sometimes. I am sure there would be difference of opinion among scholars on this hadith. That's really my point. Back to Aisha issue, I think I should post a hadith conflicting famous hadith that Aisha(RA) was 6 or 9 at the time she was married to the prophet. Bro, it's very embarrassing. The earlier you figure it out, the better. I already listened to scholars in support of the bogus hadith. Their explanations are just pathetic.

Is like when we had discussions on 'jin stories' last year. What I discovered was Ulama graded ahadith that speak about certain kinds of dua like if you do ABC dua, you will get XYZ rewards. These kinds of ahdith are graded 'weak' or 'fabricated'. But common sense tells us that the dua is Allah's word. Whatever 'rewards' associated with the dua, Allah could grant them. But when it comes to complicated ahadith that are questionable or have no real basis in the Qur'an, they are graded "sound or sahih". That's why I think there is something wrong.

Finally, let me remind you of a statement of the prophet(Allah's Blessings be upon him and his houshold). The hadith (paraphrased) talks about Allah will send someone or group of people at the end of every century to rectify the religion i:e our understandings. I believe you probably came across this hadith already.

My point is, if Allah could send group of people to correct our understanding of the deen at every century, the implication is that, we must be doing something wrong. Definitely that would not be obligatory duties for sure. I can sense for the last 10-15 yrs, signs that those individuals are here already. I see their views digressed a little from mainstream understanding of certain subjects/topics. Does not mean they bad-mouth Ulama of past. No. That's just wrong notion. Besides, our opinion here doesnt count. This is a mini-micro platform. We have no say at the macro level. Whatever Ulama say is final. Whether we are comfortable with it or not.

Walahu ta'la alam

Wasalaam

Dear Abuamam & Empiree, kindly let's focus and avoid derailing. I can see based on Empiree word of "I think", Abuamam is making use of that opportunity to open up another issue entirely. Let's focus on this single issue.


First, according to the four notable fiqh of Ahlu Sunnah, 3 of them are of the opinion that Urine of halal-eaten animal is pure. While there is serious arguments among the students of these 3 fiqh, the fourth fiqh ruled the urine to be impure.
What is the ruling of the 1st three Fuqaha in ruling that edible animal's urine is pure?

The rule in the Shi'i general fiqh says:
Urine and faeces of the following living beings are najis (impure):
Human beings Animals whose meat is haraam to eat, and whose blood gushes out forcefully when its large vein (jugular) is slit.

This is the ruling of Jafar ibn Muhammad as-Sadiq, the Imam of the household of the holy Prophet, whom Abu Hanifah and Malik ibn Anas studied under for years.

Second, @Empiree, I believe you realize that I opened the door of possibility of getting beneficial component(s) in urine?! This is in response to the "disagreement" you talked about. Even as emphatic as Allah declared consumption of "Blood" as Haram, does that mean there are no useful and beneficial component(s) there? No there is (are)! This is where extraction or any form of "purification" comes from. Interestingly, ALL the scientific evidence being posted by Abuamam followed this simple procedure.

Yea, you did open the door. The Qur'an veerses you quoted hit me in the head GBAM to suggest there is more to the hadith. I know there is possibility of something good in it of course, even though we dont know yet. This is due to a research conducted by muslim students in South Carolina (i believe). According to them, they put the hadith to test.

She's drinking like fanta. Abuamam, you better have emergency nearby when you try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It3uCssJj5Y