plaetton:


Thank you.

My dear Joshthefirst, kindly allow us to focus on the important issues here.
If you feel that you, Africans, have not been culturally genocided, then kindly share your points,..and please, without the religious mumbo jumbo.

Joshthefirst:
This thread is ultimately about religion. So technically, I'm not derailing.

No worries. I'm laying off.

plaetton:

No, you are invited to participate and contribute, albeit, constructively.
Lets leave it as discussion rather than a debate.

sonmvayina:
they are 3 things that define you as a man..your culture, traditions and your religion..if anybody can take these away from you, that person will control you for the rest of your lives. the white men know these things..

let me see if i can go to the very beginning as make a few point..there primary purpose of coming to africa and the new world was to colonise new teritory for their kings with the backing of the pope..these where the portuguese and the spanish kings..

before they came we had our system of government..the ibos as i heard where mainly republicans, the edos had the oba and the yoruba the same thing..had the oba and maintain peace. then in acient edo if your orange cost 5 cowries, all u had to do was put 5 stones and when u come back in the evening your money go correct.

they had a chief preist who lead the community in all the spiritual ceremonies...and was present in coronations..we had a good society and developing at our own pace, we had some not too good practices which i know with time we would have down away with.

enter the white man:..he came seeking land and resources..what better way to pacify the locals then to use religion..those locals who resisted where killed cos they had a better fire power..well they where also enticed with gifts, for the kids..what do you expect with time people started to for get their culture and heritage and then the demonizing of our gods and goddess started and we lost our way..

if they wanted the best for us, why did they not use economics, teach us how to make and invent things so we can also proper economically.
now we just watch them develope and grow, all we do is to pray earnestly.
they have really done more harm than good.

while they plunder our resources...one by one..ogun and sango go fire them.

urheme:


They saw that we needed something to belief in, our delusion was an insane one, the white man could'nt just reason with us, our reasoning was below the iq of a nomal human being, eg, kill the twins, touture and abuse the widow pray and bow down for peice of metals clay and wood, pollute the environment with decayed food which the gods refuse to eat etc.

What more better way than to substitute our gods with their own fabricated one.

Atleast it prohibited evil and promised eternal life, but now that it has bin hijacked by business minded individual what else do we do?

ROSSIKE:
You reason like a dunce.

ROSSIKE:


Before Usman dan Fodio's invasion of northern Nigeria in the early 1800s, Hausas practised Islam pretty much the same way Yoruba muslims do - as a mere appendage to their already dominant traditional religion and heritage. Hausas used to be great traders, scholars, and artisans, just like the Igbos, and religion came a firm second to their worldly pursuits. Dan Fodio saw this mixture of Hausa culture and Islam as idolatry. His Jihad succeeded in obliterating northern traditional cultures and imposing a fully Arabized, Islamic way of life on the people. That's why you go to the north today and virtually everyone bears the name Muhammed, Abubakar, Ibrahim etc. This intense Arabization also explains why northerners are psychologically the most detached from concepts of national/continental unity, as evinced by their comparatively quick recourse to ethnic violence and purges at the slightest provocation.

urheme:


They saw that we needed something to belief in, our delusion was an insane one, the white man could'nt just reason with us, our reasoning was below the iq of a nomal human being, eg, kill the twins, touture and abuse the widow pray and bow down for peice of metals clay and wood, pollute the environment with decayed food which the gods refuse to eat etc.

What more better way than to substitute our gods with their own fabricated one.

Atleast it prohibited evil and promised eternal life, but now that it has bin hijacked by business minded individual what else do we do?

urheme:


They saw that we needed something to belief in, our delusion was an insane one, the white man could'nt just reason with us, our reasoning was below the iq of a nomal human being, eg, kill the twins, touture and abuse the widow pray and bow down for peice of metals clay and wood, pollute the environment with decayed food which the gods refuse to eat etc.

What more better way than to substitute our gods with their own fabricated one.

Atleast it prohibited evil and promised eternal life, but now that it has bin hijacked by business minded individual what else do we do?

plaetton:

No no no

plaetton:

No no no

urheme:


The truth is the black man has a gullable mind, 95 percent of nigerians have replace their culture with religion, the intention of the white man was not to come and exterminate our culture but to help us develope economically and otherwise.

There was no strtegic plans and conspiracy whatsoever in the first place to erradicat our tradition, it was difficult for them to manage a people with a barbaric belief system, and in a bid to help us developed, they gave us schools, hospital, mechanise farming, industries etc. Orchestrated by religion.

We against all odd saw the benefit of civilization abandon our culture of our own free will, and it died a natural death.

What you called cultural genocide was just a developmental revolution at the expense of our customs and traditions. We still have a choice to preserve or do away with them.

Thank you

urheme:


The truth is the black man has a gullable mind, 95 percent of nigerians have replace their culture with religion, the intention of the white man was not to come and exterminate our culture but to help us develope economically and otherwise.

There was no strategic plans and conspiracy whatsoever in the first place to erradicat our tradition, it was difficult for them to manage a people with a barbaric belief system, and in a bid to help us develope they gave us schools, hospital, mechanise farming, industries etc. Orchestrated by religion.

We against all odd saw the benefit of civilization abandon our culture of our own free will, and it died a natural death.

What you called cultural genocide was just a developmental revolution at the expense of our customs and traditions. We still have a choice to preserve or do away with them.

Thank you

thoth:
@plaetton
Told you they don't know their history.
He is repeating the same package that European colonists taught them in school which unfortunately they have carried on to this generation. The same rubbish the pastors and priest drum into them consistently from a tender age about how their grandfathers were barbarians that run around naked and worship stones and sticks that has no power. Funnily enough those same colonists gave them the Crucifix, the saints, huge statues of innumerable white people they bow down to as saints, gods,Mary and who knows what. The same Priests that tell them that their grandfathers are soo stupid that they worship ordinary tree that has NO POWER will come around and when the tree ACTS they will say it's evil spirit, devil's power etc and the morons can't put two and two together.
That's why they go to court, swear with the Bible and lie as much as they like, to keep sustaining the moral degeneration of African society they have to attack, subvert and destroy any indigenous institution which guarantees a cohesive and progressive African society.

wiegraf:
Both sides here seem to be overstating their cases

African society was certainly not perfect; no culture is and no culture could conceivably be so. For example, and particularly with africa, the silly insistence on oral traditions boggles the mind. It's near as foolish as it gets - assuming your objective is progress of a certain variety ie, which just happens to be the sort of progress we value today. It's no coincidence that the dominant society on this rock is the one that first came up with the printing press

And Islam didn't particularly do much for Europe. The same Islam rapes our north mercilessly. Greece/Rome did a hell of a lot more for the enlightenment, so it could be argued that they just rediscovered their heritage after the cancer that was the Byzantine era

Heck, greko-roman cupture arguably did more than islam for the turks/Persians. And let's not forget they had vibrant cultures before the advent of Islam, just as a lot of Europe did before xtianity, which they had the good sense to record and evolve.

But the greatest folly, and conspicuosly at that, is from those who just swallow insulting, obvious garbage. Garbage that insists you're inherently inferior. Just wholesale acceptance of any nonsense. Where to even begin when dealing with these people...

And yes, not every European would have shown up thinking themselves superior, some would show up knowing we're all equals on this rock (some even loathing their own cultures), but that's sort of besides the point. The point is quite a lot of them showed with the goal of conolizing us, and not benignly, and they set up to reprogram us. And bizzarely an inordinate amount of us just blindly bought (and continue to) buy it.

Weird sheeple are sheeple.

plaetton:


Excellent piece.
I was not trying glorify or give undo credit to Islam.
I was merely trying to show, something our educational system suspiciously omit, that the Europeans did as well go through their own social and cultural evolution, and came out better for it.

hahn:


I believe the op is asking if there was a planned and deliberate attempt at ensuring that our culture be "given a new meaning" so that it can "play a less role in our society".

My answer is yes. When the europeans decided to journey into Africa, they developed a well planned strategy to ensure that their rule be guaranteed on this new "discovery" of theirs. First, they started by claiming they "discovered" Africa. How on earth do you discover a place where people already live in, have families, built societies and had their own culture and history really beats me.

In the beginning, our ancestors ate these people but in some parts welcomed them maybe out of sheer curiosity at the clothings, the way they spoke, their huge ships and gifts.

These series of events gave room to the idea of the need to teach the black man their ways. I don't mean to digress but ask yourself, when you travel to another country, do you teach those people Yoruba or hausa or igbo or do you learn their own language? I believe its far easier to learn the other person's language afterall there is a larger population of igbos in Lagos who speak Yoruba as opposed to the number of Yorubas in Lagos who speak igbo.

However, the white man did the exact opposite. Instead, they gave our ancestors gifts in the form of their kind of clothing. They set up schools and started teaching us English. They set up churches and taught us about Jesus Christ all the while saying, "you don't dress properly. Our language is better than yours. All your gods are false, serve the one and only true god". They even went as far as setting up their own "government" and the irony is that they said our kings and queens were below their government and laws even though ironically, they did all these "in the name of the queen".

Then they decided to carter our ancestors away as "slaves" after recognising their obvious physical strenght by conniving with the kings of old and bribing them with gifts and titles. After using these slaves for centuries they went ahead and taught them only about white leaders before the blacks were able to educate themselves and demand the inclusion os "black history" as in the case of America. However, they were able to steal over 1000years of Africa's development.

And their plan worked.

Today we have a generation that believe it is "razz" to speak your own language or even pidgin English. Listen to Nigerian radio stations and most of the presenters can't even pronounce their own names. Our youths believe serving our own gods will lead us to hell without realising that by believing in such a statement you have condemed every single one of your ancestors to eternal damnation. People believe you are Behind when you eat salad, burgers, meat pie, pizzas, sharwarma and will quickly say "yuck" to our own eba, amala etc despite the fact that our foods are more economical and healthy etc

So, once again I say YES to the ops assertion. Africa is a victim of cultural genocide

@plaetton

dalaman:
Islam has completely replaced the culture of the northerners. The Hausa/Fulani Muslim has no culture of his own, Islam has replaced everything. Christianity has penetrated the south but it hasn't completely destroyed the culture of the people, in fact many have fused their culture into the christian religion, stuffs like spirit husband, marine/ husband and wife, Ogbanje and the rest have all been fused into Christianity. White garment church is a good example.

We are already a very superstitious people that don't depend so much on reason or the scientific process, the foreign religions didn't make us any worse, they just came and diverted us from over dependence on our own mythology and superstitions to that of the foreigners.

plaetton:
Bump

johnydon22:

I am going to open a Part 2 to this thread using the same topic.. with your permission boss ..