Galatians 1:3-6-Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age.
Vs 6-I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel.

As you can see, the Catholic's have turned their backs from Christ, only to listen to another gospel.

And the new testament was heard around the fourth century.

Genesis 17:10 -"This is My covenant that you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised.
So the ordinance of circumcision was an outward physical sign of one's willingness to obey God, and be one of God's chosen people.
But under the new covenant God is calling a Spiritual nation composed of individuals converted and regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

God's people are now to be circumcised Spiritually.
Physical circumcision is no longer necessary for religious purposes.{Only the Catholic's}

Back then it was a starting point of what God really wanted' circumcision of the heart.
Deuteronomy 10:16-"Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff necked no-longer.
Romans 2:25-29-For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
Paul told Rome that physical circumcision is of no Spiritual benefit.

Colossians 2:10-11-And you are complete in Him, who is the head of the principality and power.
Vs 11-In Him you were circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.

Any parent can make decisions for their kids, but will it be the right decision? Either way as the kids grow, we will see the fruit of that decision. with God or without.

btoks:

What would you say about Jewish parents who circumcised their babies,weren't they making the choice for the babies to make them part of God's people?
In the NT -Gal 3:28 & others,doesn't it say there is neither gentile nor jew for all are one in Jesus Christ? What then stops Christians for making the choice for their kids to be part of Jesus.
You guys seem to think Christianity only started in 2015 with all these weird exegesis.

So you believe in Luke 18:15-16, when the Children were brought to Christ, as He touched them they were baptised and saved?
That's a strange way of thinking, is there other scriptures to back up your theory?

More then likely you haven't got any scriptures to back up your theory, so you have decided to make one up, twisting
Luke 18:15 around, "not" even sound close enough to your theory about the baptism of infants-It seems you have connected this scripture to your baby baptism' hoping other believers, won't question your authority to believe your stupidity.

And for Romans 2, shouldn't be disgust among you Catholic's, Have I not been judged among the best of you, have you cursed me on this forum, calling me names, abusing me-casting the first stone-against all protestants, such as myself.

And still I claim' I love you gay's..

italo:


What is infant Baptism, if not bringing infants for Jesus to touch?

2. You still haven't said anything about Gentiles being judged with their conscience or not. Have you not found a way to change Romans 2? You need more time?

brocab:
Galatians 1:3-6-Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age.
Vs 6-I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel.

As you can see, the Catholic's have turned their backs from Christ, only to listen to another gospel.

And the new testament was heard around the fourth century.

Genesis 17:10 -"This is My covenant that you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised.
So the ordinance of circumcision was an outward physical sign of one's willingness to obey God, and be one of God's chosen people.
But under the new covenant God is calling a Spiritual nation composed of individuals converted and regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

God's people are now to be circumcised Spiritually.
Physical circumcision is no longer necessary for religious purposes.{Only the Catholic's}

Back then it was a starting point of what God really wanted' circumcision of the heart.
Deuteronomy 10:16-"Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff necked no-longer.
Romans 2:25-29-For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
Paul told Rome that physical circumcision is of no Spiritual benefit.

Colossians 2:10-11-And you are complete in Him, who is the head of the principality and power.
Vs 11-In Him you were circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.

Any parent can make decisions for their kids, but will it be the right decision? Either way as the kids grow, we will see the fruit of that decision. with God or without.

Your teachings differs from majority of Christianity,even your protestant pioneers practice infant baptism.
So on what authority do you base your novel interpretations? And why should I believe brocab's version because that all you've stated,your version.not what has always been taught through antiquity.

No-one is asking you to believe anybody-It's not brocab you don't understand-its the word of God you don't understand.
And my authority comes in the name of Jesus..
I have answered your question above about circumcision-and still you haven't recognised your asking.
So instead of giving me the run around, how about proving you theory and show me in word where the pioneer protestants baptised babies.

btoks:

Your teachings differs from majority of Christianity,even your protestant pioneers practice infant baptism.
So on what authority do you base your novel interpretations? And why should I believe brocab's version because that all you've stated,your version.not what has always been taught through antiquity.

Barnabaseloka:

This is not english class. I used past tense b/c I was reporting what Paul said, so do not be worked up at all. Yes Paul was writing about the Jews and the Gentiles who were still living after Jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven. What you are holding onto is in Rom.2, and Rom.3 is a continuation of Rom.2. So while reading do not stop at Rom.2, go farther than that for better understanding.

Remember that the Gentiles though without the law, would do that which the law required by nature. Being that the law iwas written in their hearts and their conscience bore witness to it, accusing or excusing them.

What I explained in Rom.2 was what Paul wanted the Jews to know about God justifying them by the DEEDSS of thr law. But in Rom.3 Paul made it clear how one would be justified by God today. It is no more of the law (whether of the Jews whom the law was given, or of the Gentiles who had the law written in their hearts, though without the law). One is justified by FAITH in Christ Jesus today (whether Jews or Gentiles). The best way to understand the book of Romans is to read it chapter by chapter. This helps you know which things have gone away and which things have taken over.

2. Your answer 'Jesus will touch them' as regards repentance and believing in Jesus is not clear enough to me. Is it physical or spiritual touch? What effect will the touch have in such life?

3. As regards one who does not believe in Jesus as a result of not hearing about Him but has good works:
How do you ascertain that he has not heard about Jesus? Or is it that he does not understand what is talked about?
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18. He who believes in Him is NOT CONDEMNED; but he who does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son Of God
1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has (eternal) life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have (eternal) life.
2 Corinth 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away, behold all things have become new.
From the above verses, we can see that ANYONE who has not believed in Christ Jesus (though he has good works) does not have eternal life.

The passages below show that the works of the law do no longer justify anyone before God (whether Jews or Gentiles) but only FAITH in Christ Jesus.
Gal.2:15
We who are Jews by nature and not sinners of the Gentiles.
16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by FAITH in Christ Jesus , even we have believed in Christ Jesus that we might be justified by FAITH in Christ and NOT by the WORKS of the law, for by the WORKS of the law, NO FLESH shall be justified.
Gal.3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would JUSTIFY the GENTILES by FAITH , preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand saying, In you, ALL the nations shall be blessed.
9. So then those who are of FAITH are blessed with the believing Abraham.
23. But before FAITH came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ that we might be JUSTIFIED by FAITH.
25. But after faith has come, we are no longer under any tutor.
26. For you are ALL sons of God through FAITH in Christ Jesus.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
In Christ, God does not recognise one as a Jew or a Gentile but as His child.

1. Is Romans 2 correct that Gentiles will be judged by conscience?

Or is it wrong?

2. Jesus will touch them physically and spiritually.

3. Just assume a person never hears about Christ...or a two-year old...that dies can they be saved?

MuttleyLaff:
The sarcasms in this post of yours doesn't change the truths brother.

Yes it doesn't change the truth that Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things.

thanks for correcting them.

italo:


Yes it doesn't change the truth that Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things.

thanks for correcting them.

The truth is that you guys are arguing over a lie

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus at one time allowed the apostles to carry out water baptisms, He however, personally never water baptised anyone

He did, like for example, in Mark 16:14-16
but you do know what John the Baptist relating to all this, said in Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16 and Mark 1:8 respectively

He left whatever labour of love work there is, for all of us

None of those verses say 'stop water baptism. It's unnecessary.'

And no verse says 'Jesus NEVER Baptized with water'

But then, you're the one who corrects all the scripture writers.

hahn:


The truth is that you guys are arguing over a lie

Which lie?

italo:


Which lie?

The topict hat you guys are arguing over

italo:


1. Is Romans 2 correct that Gentiles will be judged by conscience?

Or is it wrong?

2. Jesus will touch them physically and spiritually.

3. Just assume a person never hears about Christ...or a two-year old...that dies can they be saved?

You do not carefully read people's posts to understand them.
1. Yes, it was correct that the Gentiles would be saved by their conscience in Rom.2. But Rom.3 tells us how ANYONE (Jews and Gentiles) are put right with God TODAY. It is no more of conscience or of the law but ONLY through FAITH in Christ Jesus.

2. What effect/s will the spiritual touch have on such a person?

3. I can't answer your question about the person who has never heard about Jesus b/c it is based on assumptions. How can you tell that he has not heard of it or that he hears it but does not understand?
Regarding a two-year old, he has not come of age to make his own choice of following Jesus. When he dies, God will accept him.

Barnabaseloka:

You do not carefully read people's posts to understand them.
1. Yes, it was correct that the Gentiles would be saved by their conscience in Rom.2. But Rom.3 tells us how ANYONE (Jews and Gentiles) are put right with God TODAY. It is no more of conscience or of the law but ONLY through FAITH in Christ Jesus.

2. What effect/s will the spiritual touch have on such a person?

3. I can't answer your question about the person who has never heard about Jesus b/c it is based on assumptions. How can you tell that he has not heard of it or that he hears it but does not understand?
Regarding a two-year old, he has not come of age to make his own choice of following Jesus. When he dies, God will accept him.

1. So as St Paul picked his pen and started writing, when he got to Rom 2, God's teaching was that Gentiles can be judged by their conscience...

Then he continued writing, when he got to chapter 3, God's teaching changed to 'Gentiles will not be judged by conscience anymore?'

2. CCC 1213 Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."

3. Meaning people can be saved without being born again or repentance?

Also show me where the Bible said the bold.

italo:


1. So as St Paul picked his pen and started writing, when he got to Rom 2, God's teaching was that Gentiles can be judged by their conscience...

Then he continued writing, when he got to chapter 3, God's teaching changed to 'Gentiles will not be judged by conscience anymore?'

2. CCC 1213 Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."

3. Meaning people can be saved without being born again or repentance?

Also show me where the Bible said the bold.

I do not need arguing with you any longer for you are so confused, yet unteachable. Paul made the Jews know in Rom.2 that they should not boast of having the law, but that God would justify them by obeying the law. He went ahead to tell them that the Gentiles, though without the law, had it written in their hearts. When they did good or bad, their conscience would either excuse or accuse them respectively. In Rom.3 Paul made it clear HOW God justifies ANYONE (jews and Gentiles) NOW. it is no more by the LAW, but by FAITH in Christ Jesus. After Jesus paid the price for the sins of the world, it is through FAITH (believing in Jesus) that God justifies anyone today. Paul was not writing to babies, but to those who had grown and could make life decisions.
You ask questions to trap people, just like the pharisees to Jesus. You don't really want to understand or learn from others.

How will a two-year old understand the gospel when he cannot even make life decisions, not to talk of making decision to follow Christ?

2. What you have written here is only from the ideology and philosophy of men. The word of God did not teach it.

3. You made assumptions to trap me, which made me not to answer you. Now you have asked another one so that what you have concluded by yourself would have a foothold. I will answer you like this:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world THROUGH Him might be saved.
18. He who believes in Him is NOT CONDEMNED; but he who DOES NOT believe is CONDEMNED already, because he HAS NOT BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1 John 5:11
And this is the testimony; that God has given us ETERNAL LIFE, and this life is in His Son.
12. He who has the Son has (eternal) life; he who DOES NOT have the Son of God DOES NOT have (eternal) life.

You keep dodging the question of the effect/s believing in Jesus will have in a life spiritually?

italo:
Yes it doesn't change the truth that Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things.

thanks for correcting them.

If you are able to show and reproduce verbatim, where anyone or I, on this thread posted anything in the line of "Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things" I will give you a truckload of kolanuts,
if you're unable to, then please admit you're grasping straws and agree you telling porkies with these cooked up and unfounded allegations

italo:
None of those verses say 'stop water baptism. It's unnecessary.'

So are a thousand and one other things in the bible that doesnt say "stop "insert any word of your choice here". It's unnecessary."

italo:
And no verse says 'Jesus NEVER Baptized with water'

And no verse says "Jesus Baptized with water" either
we however have a verse indicating 'Jesus himself NEVER Baptized anyone with water'

italo:
But then, you're the one who corrects all the scripture writers.

You have a lot to know and learn my friend, that is why I dont bat an eye over any of your facetious remarks

You should try climbing "mountains", trust me, the view from the top is worth the struggle

My brother and friend, you mistake Observations for Corrections,
and mistake "drawing attention to something" or "calling attention to anything" as indictment

Are you familiar of the crab mentality? You must do, you certainly do, otherwise...

Acts 2:38 "Peter said: repent and be baptised for the remissions of sin.

So where did the Catholic Church get this information from? Baptising infants, and what is the Churches gain believing in such unscriptural doctrines.
Galatians 4:4 "But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, Born of a woman.
Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins shall die. The son not bear the quilt of his father, nor the father bear the quilt of the son, The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself.
Matthew 18:3 "Jesus said Assuredly I say to you unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
When we read this scripture these children weren't even touched by Jesus as yet, and Jesus had already said clearly these children are sinless.

So where did the Church go wrong-it is plain and simple, Satan has plans to take with him' many into Hell.

If you have enough knowledge you could read between the lines and see for yourselves baby baptism isn't written in the bible as such.
And the Lord said: unless we become as little children we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
With this scripture alone shows the only way to God is become as little children, which now proves babies to a curtain age are sinless, and the baptism is used for the remissions of sins.

So these babies have been baptised into nothing.

btoks:

Your teachings differs from majority of Christianity,even your protestant pioneers practice infant baptism.
So on what authority do you base your novel interpretations? And why should I believe brocab's version because that all you've stated,your version.not what has always been taught through antiquity.

Don't you ever listen to the truth about God, and why would you want to save a two year old anyway-he/she is already saved-Jesus said: the kingdom of God is like one of these little children, and again the bible repeats itself-baptism is for the remissions of sins, and a child at a curtain age is sinless.
Quote-just assume a person never hears about Christ.
Matthew 24:14 "And the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
So you can see Jesus has the handle on this question?
Next question

italo:


1. Is Romans 2 correct that Gentiles will be judged by conscience?

Or is it wrong?

2. Jesus will touch them physically and spiritually.

3. Just assume a person never hears about Christ...or a two-year old...that dies can they be saved?

brocab:
Acts 2:38 "Peter said: repent and be baptised for the remissions of sin.

So where did the Catholic Church get this information from? Baptising infants, and what is the Churches gain believing in such unscriptural doctrines.
Galatians 4:4 "But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, Born of a woman.
Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins shall die. The son not bear the quilt of his father, nor the father bear the quilt of the son, The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself.
Matthew 18:3 "Jesus said Assuredly I say to you unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
When we read this scripture these children weren't even touched by Jesus as yet, and Jesus had already said clearly these children are sinless.

So where did the Church go wrong-it is plain and simple, Satan has plans to take with him' many into Hell.

If you have enough knowledge you could read between the lines and see for yourselves baby baptism isn't written in the bible as such.
And the Lord said: unless we become as little children we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
With this scripture alone shows the only way to God is become as little children, which now proves babies to a curtain age are sinless, and the baptism is used for the remissions of sins.

So these babies have been baptised into nothing.

Bro. you hit the nail on the head as regards infants being sinless according to what Jesus said. The word of God never talks about infant baptism anywhere in it.

There's no sin in heaven, and babies need to be sinless to go into heaven-So any Church who practices infant baptism are baptising babies into nothing.
The scriptures tells us Baptism is for those who have sin.
Jesus said you must believe and be baptised to be saved.
Not baptised and saved later when ever.

Barnabaseloka:

Bro. you hit the nail on the head as regards infants being sinless according to what Jesus said. The word of God never talks about infant baptism anywhere in it.

MuttleyLaff:
Christians need to spiritualise because man is a spirit being
that is the destination we are heading to and end up at.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

you mean the "new" Christians need to spiritualise away the plain meaning of scripture and call obsolate that which scripture says unite us with Christ and make us partaker in his death and resurrection.

Clap for yourself, you just succeeded in making God's word look stupid because of your "church tradition".

MuttleyLaff:
If you are able to show and reproduce verbatim, where anyone or I, on this thread posted anything in the line of "Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things" I will give you a truckload of kolanuts,
if you're unable to, then please admit you're grasping straws and agree you telling porkies with these cooked up and unfounded allegations

no dear, you didn't use those words, that must be due to the fact that italo is a crude guy!

You instead called the command Jesus Christ in matt 28:19 and practice practice of his apostles ACT 2:41 and early Christians OBSOLATE!

That very thing which paul say we do "into Christ" and makes us sharers of his death and partakers in his resurrection, you have called obsolate.

No you didn't say they were "wrong things" you said they were old, passed and withered away, you compared the things of the new covenant and equated them with that of the old.

Peter says "baptism save you now" but you would rather teach against scripture that it is obsolate!

So I'll ask you, from whom have you recieved a different covenant that will make you teach that the rites of the new covenant is obsolate?

Because it seems clear to me you guys are certainly not operating in the covenant of Jesus Christ, you are not in d same covenant, paul, peter and the other apostles were! If you are in that same covenant you won't teach that it practices are obsolate.

MuttleyLaff:
Syncan steady on!
What have I to gain with lying, be insincere or dishonest?

Let's do this the bite-size way
What is another word for baptise and baptism?
Are baptise and baptism exclusively used in relation to water and for water only?
Can one be baptised with anything else than water?
Can one have a baptism of anything else than water?
What kind of water is Jesus referring to in John 7:38?
Syncan are you familiar with John 7:37-39 (i.e. particularly the instructive and revealing bit in verse 39)

I have reproduced two translations below of John 7:37-39, for you

Jesus Promises Living Water
³⁷On the last day, the climax of the festival, Jesus stood and shouted to the crowds, “Anyone who is thirsty may come to me!
³⁸Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.’”
³⁹(When he said “living water,” he was speaking of the Spirit, who would be given to everyone believing in him. But the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet entered into his glory.)

Living Water
³⁷Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
³⁸"He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"
³⁹But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

this is why I enjoy the gospels, the evangelists always make sure to explain the figure of speech, d above passage is explained. Do you see any such explanation in jn 3:5?

What is actually written after that discourse is that Jesus went to the countryside of Judea and baptised.

There is nowhere that passage lends itself to figurative interpretation

Barnabaseloka:

Bro. Did you read my post carefully? You might have read it in a haste to pick out errors just as you have done. No one has denied the fact that baptism after one has believed in Christ is done with physical water, or did you not read the beginning part of my write-up? If you continue like this you will only get a biased or contradictory knowledge of the scriptures.

I made you know that it was not anywhere you see the word 'water' in the Scripture that it meant 'physical' water as in the case of baptism. Water can also be used to symbolize the 'Holy Spirit' as in John 7:37-39 and the 'WORD of God' as in 1 Pet.1:23, which are the two 'instruments' or 'means' by which one is born again in John 3:5. I made you understand that Jesus did not talk of giving people 'physical' water to drink but 'spiritual' water in John 4:13-14. What you succeeded in doing was not to understand what I have written but to talk pointless. It takes one to do a background study of some passages of the Scripture, under the power of the Holy Spirit to understand them.

lol

you have again swaped water for word.

Maybe you should check roman 6.

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus at one time allowed the apostles to carry out water baptisms, He however, personally never water baptised anyone

He did, like for example, in Mark 16:14-16
but you do know what John the Baptist relating to all this, said in Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16 and Mark 1:8 respectively

He left whatever labour of love work there is, for all of us

Are you serious at the bold? What kind of baptism were the followers of John complaining about here :

John 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

italo:
So Jesus taught the apostles to baptize with water but he never told them to stop it, that it wasn't necessary.

He left the job for you.

The thing is just so tiresome. Jesus said its water and spirit....they now say no, its word and spirit.

Philip taught the ethiopian eunuch that its water and went ahead to use water in acts 8....they say its because the ethiopian eunuch was a babe (as if any convert is an adult in the way already)


Peter knowing the importance of the water, insisted on it after the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10....They say he used his discretion.


Paul used water on lydia and the others in Acts 16...They have not said anything on it yet.

I don't know why they are afraid of water.

there is an article on the subject of BAPTISM on this site. Www.livingwordmedia.org
click on menu,at the topmost right side of the page. Locate "Saints community and You bulletins". You will see a material on the subject of baptism. its free

there is an article on the subject of BAPTISM on this site. Www.livingwordmedia.org
click on menu,at the topmost right side of the page. Locate "Saints community and You bulletins". You will see a material on the subject of baptism. its free

Ubenedictus:
lol

you have again swaped water for word.

Maybe you should check roman 6.

1. And what do you have to say as regards Rom.6?
2. John 3:5 talks about being BORN AGAIN and not about WATER BAPTISM as you might have thought.
3. If one repents of his sins on hearing God's word and believes in Jesus, is he born again?
4. It is not everywhere the word 'water' is mentioned in the bible that it signifies 'physical' water. It can also signify the 'Holy Spirit' as well as the 'word of God'.
This is what we have been trying to make clear here.

Syncan:


Are you serious at the bold? What kind of baptism were the followers of John complaining about here :

John 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

you don run go front abeg start with jn 3:22

Barnabaseloka:

1. And what do you have to say as regards Rom.6?
2. John 3:5 talks about being BORN AGAIN and not about WATER BAPTISM as you might have thought.
3. If one repents of his sins on hearing God's word and believes in Jesus, is he born again?
4. It is not everywhere the word 'water' is mentioned in the bible that it signifies 'physical' water. It can also signify the 'Holy Spirit' as well as the 'word of God'.
This is what we have been trying to make clear here.

i think rm 6 should free you from the constant jumping and dodging you have been doing.

Rm 6:4

So by our baptism into his death we were buried with him, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the father's glorious power, we too begin living a new life

this shows us that the new life we are talking about is giving to us in baptism as we are buried with Christ and rise to newness of life. This my dear is a very clear passage and it also makes it clear that the birth of water and spirit is truly of water and spirit. It is certain baptism.

Unless ofcuz you believe paul was talking about "the word"....

To answer your other questions

Barnabaseloka:

2. John 3:5 talks about being BORN AGAIN and not about WATER BAPTISM as you might have thought.

and i submit, that to be born again and to be baptised are exactly the same thing.

3. If one repents of his sins on hearing God's word and believes in Jesus, is he born again?

no sir,
to repent and accept Jesus is a good thing but that isn't what the bible means by born again, to be born again is to receive new life by water and the holyspirit, and the water is really water and this has been the consistent belief and understanding of all Christians for abt 1700yrs until calvin reformed the reformation, anyone who it defining it differently is making a new doctrine unknown to all older christians and playing with the word of God. It is of these "latter teaching" that scriptures rightly warn us about.

4. It is not everywhere the word 'water' is mentioned in the bible that it signifies 'physical' water. It can also signify the 'Holy Spirit' as well as the 'word of God'.
This is what we have been trying to make clear here.

my dear water is used as a symbol for things in scripture apart from "physical water", nobody is argueing that, instead I am saying for the passage at hand the literal water is the exact meaning of the passage, the practice of all early Christian and the consistent belief of christian, the latter teaching been inventions of men!

OLAADEGBU:

Are we saved by faith or water baptism? (Suggested answer):

your suggested answers starts well and goes off point.
Can someone be a part of the covenant without taking the covenantal sign?