WinsomeX:
The tithes and offerings mentioned in Malachi 3 is not the same tithes and offerings collected in our churches today.

1. The tithes of Malachi 3 was meat or food:

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house...

And scriptures informs us what this food items were:

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD... 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

These food items were agricultural products: fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and tenth of the herd.

The tithe of Malachi 3 was not money, talk less salary.

2. The offerings of Malachi 3 was not money either. This is what the Levitical offerings consisted of:

Leviticus 7:37 This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings;

This verse comes at the close of God's instructions to Moses after enacting the levitical offerings. It offers us quick summary of what their offerings were. There is no "money" offering among any. What the church gives in the name of offerings could best be called collections, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. No one collected offerings talk less tithes in the New Testament. At most they collected a "collection" for a purpose and after that purpose was met, everyone kept their monies to themselves.

Modern tithing is a perversion of the Christian gospel and the practice should be discontinued with.

If however anyone feels the best way to honor God is to give a tenth of his income, he has not sinned.

However, the church should encourage free will purposeful giving and not mandatory legalistic tithing and offerings.

ayoku777:


Where is tithing mentioned in all the scriptures you quoted?

We are to give not tithe. We should give to pastors and the poor, family and loved ones, to the kingdom and to good courses. But not tithe.

That's what we are saying. Why are they bent on calling it tithe? Why can they just say believers should give.

The moment you call it tithe, then it is a law. Because tithing is not freewill. If you don't tithe, you are under a curse.

Tithing is not applicable to the new testament believer. We give.

All those verses you quoted are giving, not tithing. Don't call them tithe.

We christians learn giving from God, not through the law. God is a giver, giving is His nature. When I give, I'm not learning from Moses, I'm learning from Jesus.

Giving for the believer is an outworking of the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Spirit. We are not borrowing it from Moses.

There is no tithing in the new covenant. Priests don't pay tithe, they give. Pastors should preach giving, period!

Gombs:


shall we wait for the anti tithe crusaders?

vooks:

My broda,
Given tithing in the OT is far from the weightier things of the law, we should not have pro and anti-tithing jihadis.

I wrote and angry book 'exposing the tithing scam'. Then I thought really hard about whether such a non-issue deserves such fury.

Not worth it. Let believers tithe if they will. All I do is engage those close to me on the subject wherever and whenever.

And it gets a tad boring repeating the same arguments over and over.

Fact remains,
There is extremely weak exegetical basis for tithing in Christianity. The pro-tithing brigade make up for this by emotional appeal and blackmail and frequent extra-biblical 'revelations'.' God showed me','God said to me'......'how can you be so mean as to keep everything you were given to yourself?'

The anti-tithing gang overcompensate this by despising the principles that could be gleaned from the practice.

My high school uniform had navy blue trousers. Years in the uniform made me hate the color so much that I have only had one navy blue suit in my life and I gave it away years ago.

TheShopKeeper:
Please just for clarification, are we meant to tithe on the income we receive before tax or tithe on the amount after tax?

daroz:

Pls, what exactly is ur point?

Gombs:

what church? i keep asking...what has thou done to the body of Christ since you have a concise knowledge of how it show be?

TheShopKeeper:
Please just for clarification, are we meant to tithe on the income we receive before tax or tithe on the amount after tax?

vooks:

Pls,can you read English?
1. Tithing in the scriptures is a very minor point of the Law as Jesus taught sso it's not really worth plucking your hair over
2. Christian tithing has no scriptural basis. Elsewhere I called it a tradition and not a doctrine because of this
3. Tithing has some benefits usually missed by its opponents

daroz:

Still, I don't get your point. Are you encouraging it or against it?

daroz:
That's all for the chat for now. As stated in the chat, I will love someone to convince me on this tithe issue, I want to be sure I am not doing the thing by not paying.

Scream:
Are we not co-workers in His vineyard? How come certain people claim that responsibility and make others onlookers so they can have RIGHT to a tenth of their brothers' income?

Do we still need priests that "minister at the altar" after the curtains has been torn for all to have access? What other needs do we have for the priesthood that serves in the altar when the lamb of God has been sacrificed?

Did the Apostles collect tithe? How come church leaders now collect it?

How did they fund the gospel?

How did the 70 Jesus sent on mission work fund the gospel?

My point is this: you should carry your bible and face the supreme task of spreading the gospel...doing good, healing the sick. Be sold out to the work of your Father...both the tithe payers and tithe takers have on thing in common...lust!

misreal:
mtchwwww....remember what happened to Ananias and saphira..

daroz:

That has nothing to do with tithe. infact that should be a topic for another day.

daroz:


Still, I don't get your point. Are you encouraging it or against it?

daroz:
That's all for the chat for now. As stated in the chat, I will love someone to convince me on this tithe issue, I want to be sure I am not doing the thing by not paying.

WinsomeX:
The tithes and offerings mentioned in Malachi 3 is not the same tithes and offerings collected in our churches today.

1. The tithes of Malachi 3 was meat or food:

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house...

And scriptures informs us what this food items were:

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD... 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

These food items were agricultural products: fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and tenth of the herd.

The tithe of Malachi 3 was not money, talk less salary.

2. The offerings of Malachi 3 was not money either. This is what the Levitical offerings consisted of:

Leviticus 7:37 This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings;

This verse comes at the close of God's instructions to Moses after enacting the levitical offerings. It offers us quick summary of what their offerings were. There is no "money" offering among any. What the church gives in the name of offerings could best be called collections, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. No one collected offerings talk less tithes in the New Testament. At most they collected a "collection" for a purpose and after that purpose was met, everyone kept their monies to themselves.

Modern tithing is a perversion of the Christian gospel and the practice should be discontinued with.

If however anyone feels the best way to honor God is to give a tenth of his income, he has not sinned. However, the church should encourage free will purposeful giving and not mandatory legalistic tithing and offerings.

Gombs:
^^
You just showed the world you don't even know your Bible.

A quick quiz please...

How does a church pay salaries?
Renovation and repairs?
New acquisitions?
New buildings?
Charity?
Crusades? Etc

WinsomeX:


The real question should be: how did Jesus and his apostles do these things, if they did them at all, without collecting tithes and offering?

Gombs:
^^
You just showed the world you don't even know your Bible.

A quick quiz please...

How does a church pay salaries?
Renovation and repairs?
New acquisitions?
New buildings?
Charity?
Crusades? Etc

Offerings?... : How much do you even give? Offerings and tithes at times is not even enough for the work... God still send folks with monies... Because His work must be done.

Let me just slide to the background... And read

WinsomeX:


The real question should be: how did Jesus and his apostles do these things, if they did them at all, without collecting tithes and offering?

daroz:
That's all for the chat for now. As stated in the chat, I will love someone to convince me on this tithe issue, I want to be sure I am not doing the thing by not paying.

WinsomeX:


The real question should be: how did Jesus and his apostles do these things, if they did them at all, without collecting tithes and offering?

You are 100% correct ojare. Church tithing is the biggest fraud in the history of mankind

daroz:
Pls Bible scholars, go through and contribute meaningfully with fact, I need to learn more.