bobbiekrantz:






Na You sabi o..


I no come understand you again..

How can you, when you don't even understand yourself.

khachee:
sen...i hope this is not one of those numerous promise our representatatives promised the masses only to get there and start fighting for the sole benefit of their pocket. That being said, do you think corruption can wiped out of the country?? If yes how do you think the government you are going to be leading will achieve this aim?

Lol, there are a few credible people still left in the country, it's not a hop less situation.

Corruption cannot be completely eradicated but can be reduced to it's barest minimum.

M going to advocate that a credible person heads EFCC, that achieved, m going to either proscribe death penalty by hanging or firing squad for corrupt people ,QED.
I will advocate the conduction of public hearing to ammend our laws on corruption, m sure majority of Nigerians will support the move.

provided there are no forces in the senate fighting against anti corruption.

MalcoImX:
How can you, when you don't even understand yourself.

Whatever you say....

bobbiekrantz:


Whatever you say....

Whatever I say won't matter, because you're not aware.

Otherique:
@ Utchgirl,
Salient point you have raised but allow my humble self, Hon. Otherique the pleasure of a divergent view from yours. Besides, I heard variety's the spice of life.
Now back to the issue of a B.Sc and HND comparison,
1. The quality of Education on both sides aren't exactly the same.
2. While a Dr. can head a polytechnic, a Dr can't even be a dean in a Faculty.
3. To enhance learning, Universities are restricted to quota admission unlike in polytechnics where everybody is admitted.
4. In polytechnics, serious learning takes place from HND 1 and above, as a matter of fact, only HND levels are properly regulated.
5. A B.sc holder can be a senior lecturer in a polytechnic which is a taboo in the University.
6. Even polytechnics do not offer postgraduate programmes.
7. polytechnics just like Colleges of Educations are specialised institutes and should have no business offering courses outside the general intention of establishing.
8. Lastly, Saying a polytechnic graduate is more educated and exposed compared to a University graduate is like saying a roadside Mechanic is better than a polytechnic graduate.
My 2 cents.

Nt alwaz true

Remember we r talking of all unis and polys in general.

1. Plz tro more light on ur no 1. Which is beta and giv ur reason

2. A doc. Can't evn be a dean in a uni ? Hop u r nt exaggerating ?

3. U can say dt happens in only fed.and state uni.I doubt if dt happens in Private Unis. FYI; fed and state polys hv restricted quotas on admission dis days BTW. Who told u dt is 2 enhance learning.

4. This ur no 4 is a very big fallacy. Who told u dt dia arent serious learning in ND 1 and 2 ? Do u knw dt @ d end of d ND program,students write PROJETS and final yr exams jus like final yr students of Unis ? And why do u tink dt afta d ND program ,d student must undergo a yr I T ? Dt is 2 show u dt d polys are serious wit d foundation laying (ND). Beside, after graduating 4rm ND , if a student wishes nt 2 ctnue, he/she can get a wel paying job wit d ND result. Can d Uni students do dt ? D ansa is NO.

5. Dis can only be found in both private Unis and polys and nt jus. Poly's. U can verify dis, jus check some privates Unis, and u will see BSc holders as Lectrures dia.And remember we r talking of all d Unis and polys in general

6. It's d same tin as saying, make BSc equals HND. Whn dis is done, PGD, wil equally be taking place in polys

7: Thank God u said Poly's are specialised institutes. Unlike some Unis dt hv courses dt r nt accredated by NUC.

8: Dis ur No 8 is senseless, Y r u talking like a kid?

Nxt time, if u wana argue,plz make sure u do so wit concrete and reasonable facts and nt jus street talks dt hv no facts in it.

MalcoImX:
You're moving, when during Buhari you know what performance is. During the time of the Otueke dullest, we don't even know the definition of performance.

so(assuming) GEJ did nt perform during his tenure, d dulling duara dullard shld jus relax, right ?

Plz make use of ur brain

MalcoImX:
Whatever I say won't matter, because you're not aware.

who told you that ?

I'm always aware of what's going on in Nigeria....So you don't tell Me that I'm not aware of these shits..


I'm not defending those activities you thought I was defending...


I'm just on the notion that Biafrans Are just freedom fighters.... its not just any freedom but freedom from National stagnation,,, Marginalization,,, Cheating and Bigotry Anti tribal statements




So..When Nelson Mandela Was on the process of fighting for his people.....People said he was on a goose chase..


so...understand me

Utchgirl:



Nt alwaz true

Remember we r talking of all unis and polys in general.

1. Plz tro more light on ur no 1. Which is beta and giv ur reason

2. A doc. Can't evn be a dean in a uni ? Hop u r nt exaggerating ?

3. U can say dt happens in only fed.and state uni.I doubt if dt happens in Private Unis. FYI; fed and state polys hv restricted quotas on admission dis days BTW. Who told u dt is 2 enhance learning.

4. This ur no 4 is a very big fallacy. Who told u dt dia arent serious learning in ND 1 and 2 ? Do u knw dt @ d end of d ND program,students write PROJETS and final yr exams jus like final yr students of Unis ? And why do u tink dt afta d ND program ,d student must undergo a yr I T ? Dt is 2 show u dt d polys are serious wit d foundation laying (ND). Beside, after graduating 4rm ND , if a student wishes nt 2 ctnue, he/she can get a wel paying job wit d ND result. Can d Uni students do dt ? D ansa is NO.

5. Dis can only be found in both private Unis and polys and nt jus. Poly's. U can verify dis, jus check some privates Unis, and u will see BSc holders as Lectrures dia.And remember we r talking of all d Unis and polys in general

6. It's d same tin as saying, make BSc equals HND. Whn dis is done, PGD, wil equally be taking place in polys

7: Thank God u said Poly's are specialised institutes. Unlike some Unis dt hv courses dt r nt accredated by NUC.

8: Dis ur No 8 is senseless, Y r u talking like a kid?

Nxt time, if u wana argue,plz make sure u do so wit concrete and reasonable facts and nt jus street talks dt hv no facts in it.

Let's be sincere with ourselves here, in all real sense, you can't compare a poly education to a university education. I have had the chance of meeting students of state poly and state uni I have really compared and the difference so very glaring. I decided not to make comparism with federal so as to give an equal playing field. From my observations, I have noticed that university students have the sense of aura or let me say more academic consciousness that polythenic students don't have. More number of poly students go to school not cos they want to pursue their careers but just because they need a certificate and don't want to be regarded as illiterates. Now am not saying that this does not also occur in Unis but the number is not as much as students of poly students. I will like to admit one thing though I believe poly students are exposed to more pactical knowledge but when they are given a task of trying to present themselves, they might not know how to do that. The irony of all this is that a university student who has got little knowledge in practical will know how to present himself and make you think he has got all the knowledge required in carrying out a task a poly student on the other hand that knows what he wants to do finds it hard to present himself to you....really the way we package is a major difference btw them

sanmibukunmi:

Let's be sincere with ourselves here, in all real sense, you can't compare a poly education to a university education. I have had the chance of meeting students of state poly and state uni I have really compared and the difference so very glaring. I decided not to make comparism with federal so as to give an equal playing field. From my observations, I have noticed that university students have the sense of aura or let me say more academic consciousness that polythenic students don't have. More number of poly students go to school not cos they want to pursue their careers but just because they need a certificate and don't want to be regarded as illiterates. Now am not saying that this does not also occur in Unis but the number is not as much as students of poly students. I will like to admit one thing though I believe poly students are exposed to more pactical knowledge but when they are given a task of trying to present themselves, they might not know how to do that. The irony of all this is that a university student who has got little knowledge in practical will know how to present himself and make you think he has got all the knowledge required in carrying out a task a poly student on the other hand that knows what he wants to do finds it hard to present himself to you....really the way we package is a major difference btw them

I dnt agree wit.
Wht Uni hv is passed glory.

If u r stil in doubt, visit both Instutions and see tins 4 urself.

I repeat dt unis hv names cos of dia passed glory

khachee:
sen Noblezone, you believe that the rightful thing to do is to split, need i remind you that the last time there was a movement for this the eastern part was left in a catastrophic state..

Give me reason why you must take up arms against us for daring to take our destiny into our hands.
For asking for freedom, we are exercising our right for self determination.
We are not asking for war.

Scotland is asking for the same thing we are asking.
the rest of the UK never threatened them with war.
They gave them a referendum.

Why must it be different in Africa?

Utchgirl:


so(assuming) GEJ did nt perform during his tenure, d dulling duara dullard shld jus relax, right ?

Plz make use of ur brain

The other one has already failed, but for this one what are your criteria for performance and how to measure those?

@ Otherique


Wit dis ur NO 7 alone, i hv known d level of intelligence of d person im arguing wit.

Anyways,if u dnt knw somtin, dt dosnt mean such tin does nt exist.Ignorance is nt an excuse in d law court.

FYI; NBTE - National Body 4 Technical Education. This is d functional regulatory body of Polys, equivalent of NUC of Unis.
Evn mkt women,barrow pushers,okada n keke drivers, pure water sellers r all in union(which is dia regulatory body),let alone a whole citadel of learning like poly. I SMH 4 u !
U evn said dt all lecturers in Uni r PhD holders. I laf in chinese. My cousine is a lecturer in a Fed Uni and he is nt a PhD holder.

Polytechnics r nt wht sompeople take it 2 be. Imagine, comparing polytechnic wit sec sch and a road side mechanic.

Plz dnt argue wht u dnt knw. Argue facts and nt fallacy. Dnt say because people r saying. Most people saying such cant prove it.

Im done wit u.

Utchgirl:



IMO ; HND shld nt only equate BSc bt shld be bigger dan BSc in some cases.

Reasons :

1. In all polytechnic 4 u 2 get HND u must spend a mininum of 5 yrs while in some cases in a uni. U spend only 4 yrs 2 get BSc

2. Observations hv shown dt Polytechnics students undergo /carryout practicals more dan dia Uni. Counterparts.

3. Industrial Training (IT) in Polytechincs alwaz hv a yr duration while in some courses in Uni ,it's 6mnths

4. In polys after, d compulsory 1 yr I T, if d student dnt wish 2 further his/her education,he can get a gud paying Job wit d ND result. Bt a student cant do dt in a Uni.

aptly said.

MalcoImX:
The other one has already failed, but for this one what are your criteria for performance and how do measure those?

Baba one chance and APC r in beta position 2 ansa dt question nt me biko

Utchgirl:



Baba one chance and APC r in beta position 2 ansa dt question nt me biko

How can you then know he's performed or not when you don't have a yardstick for measurement? Are you sure you're not just a TANoid?

MalcoImX:
How can you then know he's performed or not when you don't have a yardstick for measurement? Are you sure you're not just a TANoid?

If u say so

sanmibukunmi:

Let's be sincere with ourselves here, in all real sense, you can't compare a poly education to a university education. I have had the chance of meeting students of state poly and state uni I have really compared and the difference so very glaring. I decided not to make comparism with federal so as to give an equal playing field. From my observations, I have noticed that university students have the sense of aura or let me say more academic consciousness that polythenic students don't have. More number of poly students go to school not cos they want to pursue their careers but just because they need a certificate and don't want to be regarded as illiterates. Now am not saying that this does not also occur in Unis but the number is not as much as students of poly students. I will like to admit one thing though I believe poly students are exposed to more pactical knowledge but when they are given a task of trying to present themselves, they might not know how to do that. The irony of all this is that a university student who has got little knowledge in practical will know how to present himself and make you think he has got all the knowledge required in carrying out a task a poly student on the other hand that knows what he wants to do finds it hard to present himself to you....really the way we package is a major difference btw them

sir I think you should bring facts into your argument or check my posts on this thread

We should first of all elect our senate leaders strictly naija. Before I will pass my bill #senator windeal#

noblezone:


Give me reason why you must take up arms against us for daring to take our destiny into our hands.
For asking for freedom, we are exercising our right for self determination.
We are not asking for war.

Scotland is asking for the same thing we are asking.
the rest of the UK never threatened them with war.
They gave them a referendum.

Why must it be different in Africa?

because we are africans, how level is civilization is not up to the americans or europeans

I'm not saying the biafra shouldnt fight for their right i'm only saying they should approach it carefully not to lead to the destruction of lives and properties

khachee:
because we are africans, how level is civilization is not up to the americans or europeans

I'm not saying the biafra shouldnt fight for their right i'm only saying they should approach it carefully not to lead to the destruction of lives and properties

Now you are talking.
Our current pursuit is quite peaceful.

Even in 1967, it was Nigeria that attacked after we declared our independence.
We declared it because we were being slaughtered all over Nigeria.
We were slaughtered because we carried an "IGBO" coup.

For me I insist it was a coup carried out by the Nigerian army.
That was in the past anyway.

However, even now, we are are still killed at any slightest excuse.
Till when?

Bros, the activities of the Fulani herdsmen is more of a threat to Nigeria than our agitation to Biafra.
Or is it better to kill all Nigerians just to keep Nigeria "ONE" than to separate, stay apart a little and preserve human life?

You said, we are Africans. We have not advanced.

So, when are we going to advance?
How are we going to advance?

Let us sit down and negotiate Nigeria.
Nigeria has been negotiated.
If we are allow slave traders to decide our destiny, then we are indeed slaves.

Let us make Africa great! Now is the time.

Moheat:
Distinguished Senators: I am Sen. Moheat from FCT. I want to sponsor a bill that would equate HND with BSc. Your support in this regard would be much appreciated please.
Thank you and do have a fruitful Deliberation.

B.sc is not equal to HND .... I hereby disagree over this motion

senator Clinton just sitz and watch as other senators argue in random directions... senator Clinton just sitz and watch as other senators argue in random directions...

Utchgirl:
@ Otherique


Wit dis ur NO 7 alone, i hv known d level of intelligence of d person im arguing wit.

Anyways,if u dnt knw somtin, dt dosnt mean such tin does nt exist.Ignorance is nt an excuse in d law court.

FYI; NBTE - National Body 4 Technical Education. This is d functional regulatory body of Polys, equivalent of NUC of Unis.
Evn mkt women,barrow pushers,okada n keke drivers, pure water sellers r all in union(which is dia regulatory body),let alone a whole citadel of learning like poly. I SMH 4 u !
U evn said dt all lecturers in Uni r PhD holders. I laf in chinese. My cousine is a lecturer in a Fed Uni and he is nt a PhD holder.

Polytechnics r nt wht sompeople take it 2 be. Imagine, comparing polytechnic wit sec sch and a road side mechanic.
.

Excuse me lady , you are displaying the manner of a poly grad.

The dean of a faculty is usually a professor ... Doc usually discharge such function of Dean's office in acting capacity especially in a faculty that suffers dearth of professor infact in some unis Prof is usually the HOD.

and Some Docs may still sustain the title of Doc but might have reached the level of Associate Prof or Reader thus might become a substantive Dean.

as for NBTE ..... NBTE doesn't equate NUC .... how could you compare a technical board with commission of erudites

[b]for HND/B.sc disparity .....

I was once in Polytechnic before porting to uni thus I have experienced both Institutions and I can tell you the condition and parameters of learning in both Institution differs as far as academic is concern.

B.sc is Bachelor of Science ...which implies you have been "theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically" equipped to relate with modalities of your discipline while HND , Higher National Diploma implied you have been pragmatically (practically) equipped to relate with modalities in your discipline as theoretically and conceptually evolved by a B.sc/M.sc/PhD holder

Polytechnics in a bid to make more money has delved into discipline they don't have resources to undertake .....

at parity, You can't compare somebody who has been tutored by professors with somebody who hardly passed through a PhD holder in his/her entire academic life.


Polytechnic is a technical school from her name "technics" the poly implies the discipline in such Institution is more than one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering, Elect elect , Mech eng etc ..... we also have monotechnics , an institution that specialise in one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering.

At Parity, you can't expect somebody who is theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically oriented to be at the same level with someone who is much pragmatically oriented with little conceptualizing[/b]