ArchEnemy:
Logic bows to the spiritual Bro... you mentioned charms here.
You wanna explain juju?

johnydon22:
Lol Charms. . . what a joke.

If charms were effective why are boko haram and Nigerian army still dying in the battle field.
If charm is effective why are we not one of the most powerful military force in the world going by how superstitious africa is about charms.

Why don't you bring the person who say charms will protect him from bullets, i will personally get my own bullet. it will take only one shot to the head and we are on our way to the cemetery

dorox:

Charms only appears to work against low velocity muzzle-loading fire arms aka oka made pistles. These guns have very limited range and accuracy which means that targets are more than likely to be missed especially if it is moving. Even when the target is hit the lethality of the bullet deteriorates significantly with incremental travel.
The simple truth is that most good for nothing idiòts wear charms, so when some other untrained idiòt shoots at them and misses or the bullet hits them and bounces off without penetrating their skin they just attribute their lucky escape to the useless charm they are wearing.
I am yet to hear of any testimony of a charm that is effective against an amor piercing round shot from close range by a marks man.

keenn:
I was of the opinion that none of this charm protective effects are plausible

But when credit is given to it(charm) by a man who engages in constant warfare with heavy artillery(like I said, he is on a protective detail of a top military personal) someone might begin to have a rethink of aforementioned notion/principle/school of thought/believe system. Except if his statements are untrue wish I doubt.

I can't remember the arm forces enlisting native doctors to fight their warfare, and neither do americans consider africans/natives/tribal race that have more of these charms has threats to world peace...likewise have I not heard of arm forces of any country making others for charms as part of their warfare purchase

keenn:
I was of the opinion that none of this charm protective effects are plausible

But when credit is given to it(charm) by a man who engages in constant warfare with heavy artillery(like I said, he is on a protective detail of a top military personal) someone might begin to have a rethink of aforementioned notion/principle/school of thought/believe system. Except if his statements are untrue wish I doubt.

johnydon22:
For a man who you say engage in heavy artillery war (tho i wonder which exactly) to think charms have potency to deflect bullets.

I can bet my left ball its either he is lying or has never been to any heavy artillery war fare before or has never even been shot at before . . .i wonder where he got such gullibility from

Raymondenyi:
stop being silly my brother; I have seen with my two eyes; where a man was shot at and he was still bouncing ; and running around; but when he released his own to the opposing party; my brother.... we just finished d burial of his opposition some few weeks ago...

Raymondenyi:
stop being silly my brother; I have seen with my two eyes; where a man was shot at and he was still bouncing ; and running around; but when he released his own to the opposing party; my brother.... we just finished d burial of his opposition some few weeks ago...

Hahahahahahaha really, oh what a marvelous tale you just told us. . . and you were standing there watching two people have a gun fight. . .sometimes you should first weight the magnitude of your lie before telling it

Weah96:


You witnessed a live gunfight in which capacity? I mean, which news organization do you work for?

Humans flee the sound of gunfire across the board, usually with pastors leading from the front. But you were courageous enough to witness the entire exchange. Must have been quite the experience.

keenn:
With my understanding of spirituality (with regard or regardless of the existence of a personal God), I am tempted to think maybe there might be a frail truth as to the potency of charms protection against gunfire.

The working modalities of phones, flying-planes... are explanable, but looking at it at the periphery/ignorant mind, it is likely to think this devices are not possible to create/function. Is it not probable to think the medicine man talisman/charms also operate this way?

Maybe we are yet to understand/comprehend that field of study(occultic science)

Raymondenyi:
stop being silly my brother; I have seen with my two eyes; where a man was shot at and he was still bouncing ; and running around; but when he released his own to the opposing party; my brother.... we just finished d burial of his opposition some few weeks ago...

theAtheist101:

@ UyiIredia where is the guy now? We would all choose a neutral location, where no one can sabotage the whole experiment and all interested persons to come and watch. We would borrow a gun while he brings his charm. A video would also be made to document the event. The test would be done on an animal, but if he insists on being the "guinea pig" then he would be used. No one knows, we might just test proving a weapon for the Nigerian army .

UyiIredia:
I agree with dorox. I think there is jazz, specifically gun charms, but they aren't effective against some types of weapons, also mistakes happen. In 2013, one Nairalander who himself had some doubts about the charm actually made a BBM group and tried getting atheists to join so they could test the charms. They all refused to participate. In any case, science beats jazz hands down which is why Africa was colonized.

johnydon22:
And don't forget we would get the police involved and informed because i wouldn't like to go to Jail for murder

theAtheist101:


Definitely! They also sign a document that gives us consent to blow their heads off. Am just tired of reading all this educated illiterate write nonsense in this forum.

johnydon22:
Am not killing anyone because of silly superstitions. . I would just be there to watch, i only need police to ensure i am not counted an accomplice and sentenced to jail when one lifeless body lies on the ground with a hole in the head. . .I wonder how people can't see through mere tricks

leadzeal:
. Before microscope invention, atom was not in existence, think about it.

johnydon22:
Actually a lot of ancient philosophers had talked about atoms even before invention of micro scope. .

E.g: Plato, Epicurus etc

leadzeal:


But it was never proven, it was mere theory or should I say speculation first before theory. Just like people talking about God and is yet to be proven.

Note: I am very influenced by philosophy and choose not to be religious but rather believing. Why agnostism didn't work for me is because, I don't have to see something before I believe it;law of attraction really came to play here.

Plato and plotinus writings influenced me greatly and they are strong believers of the unknown. Ethics and values were more defined clearly in the medieval time compared to now where blind faith is the cornerstone of the building.

johnydon22:
I only quoted you to tell you the concept of atom was very much in existence before micro scope because it was a very strong assertion you made by saying atom never existed before micro scope.

I am heavy reader of philosophy both pre/post Socratic philosophy. its not only about reading it, its about comparing and contrasting what you read with your own reasoning.

leadzeal:


I state assertively here that atom never existed before the invention of microscope. In other, if a postulation can not be proved then it is mere speculation. It's because we can now see them under the microscope that our braggadocio apron is on the fly.

So my friend, i wish there was time travel vehicle which we both can use to go back in time and convince them there's atom without a microscope. We may likely be stoned to death.

As the agnostic will say, there was never an atom before the invention of microscope. This assertion is as valid as it gets.

leadzeal:


I state assertively here that atom never existed before the invention of microscope. In other, if a postulation can not be proved then it is mere speculation. It's because we can now see them under the microscope that our braggadocio apron is on the fly.

So my friend, i wish there was time travel vehicle which we both can use to go back in time and convince them there's atom without a microscope. We may likely be stoned to death.

As the agnostic will say, there was never an atom before the invention of microscope. This assertion is as valid as it gets.