sunkoye:


nope...am not a Catholic bro.

MightySparrow:


It is not too good to take a scripture ALONE and make a doctrine out of it.
As Solomon is inferior to Jesus: so is his writing, Knowledge, and wisdom.

'The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here'. - Luke 11:31

Solomon's revelation is limited and earthly, in fact, lacks spiritual revelation.

And I applied my heart to know wisdom and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this also is but a striving after wind. - Ecclesiastes 1:17

Except in Solomon's writing, there is no other place where Bibles says there is no knowledge beyond here. This is not to discard Solomon's writing but to point out its limitations.
However, Jesus claims He is greater than Solomon meaning His authority on a subject sets aside that of Solomon, even Moses or the temple if we consider the rest of the passage in Luke 11.

Moreso, in Revelation of John, we can deduce that the dead are not without knowledge as Solomon opined.
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. - Revelation of John 6:9
They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? " - Revelation of John 6:10
So, souls that are dead can cry unto God for vengeance, they must have carried knowledge from here to beyond.
About rich man asking for water, little is made known to us about beyond but Manna is quoted as angel's food. God is described as a Spirit yet He has a form. So little is told us about spirit life.
I conclude that we study with open mind the scriptures.
"The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. - Deuteronomy 29:29

OLAADEGBU:


You cannot take one verse and run away with it. Compare scriptures and read them in context.

OLAADEGBU:


For your information, the soul is of the same shape to the body and spirit of man. Even though the body lies in the grave, the soul/spirit lives on till eternity in heaven or hell.

CAPTIVATOR:


The context :
~ for the LIVING know that they will die .

~ but the DEAD know nothing at all .

Its either both statement are false , or both statement are words of truth .

Ecclesistes 12:10
" the congregator sought to find delightful words and to record accurate words of truth" .

dolphinheart:


SHow prove that the soul is same shape to the body and spirit of man.

Show prove where it is said the soul lives on to eternity.
Show prove where the soul seperates from the body at death.
I've warned you several times on this "spirit/soul word you use. The soul is not the spirit. They have different words with different meanings.

Show prove that the spirit of man goes to hell?.

Why does the bible say the dead not praise God?.

OLAADEGBU:


The only prove you need is that your spirit man be regenerated by the Holy Spirit when you repent and trust in the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

OLAADEGBU:


That is not the case.

italo:
So the dead know things afterall...

Do these "dead" include Mary, Peter, Paul etc?

Hehehe...

firestar:
American Standard Version

Ec 9:5

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.


Hm. Pretty self-explanatory.

dmandy:


If truly the dead know nothing, where did Jesus go after death? Certainly not heaven (because he will later resurrect and ascend to heaven to be with God) and not hell (lake of fire!!! because that is eternal damnation no saving). Who did He set free? (bible told us they were dead abi)...ok And The rich man of Luke 16 was dead and talking. Just don't get it. Why take a particular verse of the bible... read it out of context and then write a longer-than-Nile epistle out of it.

Thanks Italo, may your wisdom source net get dry.

dmandy:


Luke 13:28

"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.''

seems to me like people who know nothing will weep for what they don't know and then see others while not knowing anything.

Think!!! Be open please.... Can you read Ecc. 9:2 and conclude that both the belever and non-believer as you guys put it have the same fate after here I guess not or?

firestar:
Dmandy

I will love to hear your thoughts on these Scriptures as well. Will really appreciate your open-mindedness.

Ps 88:10

Will you perform wonders for the dead? Can those powerless in death rise up to praise you? (Selah)

Ps 115:17

The dead do not praise Jah; Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.

Ps 146:4

His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

Isa 38:18

For the Grave cannot glorify you, Death cannot praise you. Those who go down into the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness.

Joh 11:11

After he said these things, he added: “Laza·rus our friend has fallen asleep, but I am traveling there to awaken him.”


Regards.

dmandy:


My dear, the dead are condemned forever and cannot praise God.. they curse Him in gnashing of teeth. The 'saints are still alive' for God is not God of the dead but of the living. Does that help?

dmandy:


My dear, the dead are condemned forever and cannot praise God.. they curse Him in gnashing of teeth. The 'saints are still alive' for God is not God of the dead but of the living. Does that help?

dolphinheart:


Are you saying ur saints of old did not die?

dolphinheart:


Are you saying ur saints of old did not die?

dmandy:


There is no basis for further discussion if you don't believe in life after death and immortality of the soul.

thanks, I do.

dmandy:


If you say they did, then u make God a liar who said He is God of the living and not the dead. For only the body dies. You see that in scriptures don't you?

dolphinheart:


Are you saying ur saints of old did not die?

dolphinheart:


You guys sha, you have decided to go the olaadegbu way. You made a statement , a question was asked about ur statement you are now acting like you did not see the question .

Simple question, are you saying your saints of old did not die!!!?

The funny thing about ur version of false beliefs is that those who have a general belief that the soul does not die wunt agree with ur version. You guys come up with different versions of the same belief.

If you know you know the truth, dnt assume my own opinnion cus I've not said anything on die or death, just tell us yes or no if ur saints die or not!.

dmandy:


There is no basis for further discussion if you don't believe in life after death and immortality of the soul.

thanks, I do.

dolphinheart:


Show me how the bible teaches that the soul is immortal?!!!.

For the soul that is sinning will die!!!

dmandy:


I was only thinkinking we are on the same page. So, you dont believe in life after death after all. Is ok.

dmandy:

And the one that don't shall ........?

dmandy:


And the one that don't shall ........?

dolphinheart:


Give me an example of a direct offpring of adam(that came primarily from his loins) that did not sin. Just one example of a man born perfect without divine intervention.

dmandy:


I was only thinking we are on the same page. So, you don't believe in life after death after all. Is ok.
Their bodies died and to dust returned but you know what? their spirit didn't.