KingEbukasBlog:



Apparently , you have this preconceived idea that consciousness needs a brain . And thus whatever experienced is not real but imagined . But the experiences of the NDE-people refute that . For you to understand a difficult subject like consciousness you have to be open mined . You just dont conclude they are wrong because of your prepossession .

Not at all it was a very simple question . . . I never discarded NDEs as imagination i only pointed out that the only way humans can 'assume' something they never did is through 'imaginations'.

But the NDEs are not imaginations rather are experiences had without the brain but recollected with the brain..how so?

"If NDEs are independent of the brain, how then can the brain recall such experience when it never had it?"

It is blatantly unlikely to recall what you never had... So the question is "how is it that the brain is now needed to recall NDEs when the brain was never needed to experience it..

Isn't that reason for researches ? If progress is to be made in this research , then the researchers should be open to possibilities and that include the immaterial realm .

Immaterial realm that somehow is recalled by the 'material brain' that never experienced it?

there in lies the problem.. You sighted NDE to use as basis to infer consciousness does not need a brain but certainly that leaves a ton of problems begging.

Cus if this consciousness doesn't need the brain then there is no way the material brain can ever playback the experiences of this independent consciousness that have gone past it's material frequency.

But if the 'brain' can do this then it still implies this consciousness also is dependent and related to the material brain

I think , there has to be a door or link that leads or connects to another realm .

And by 'One' you mean a formless needless conscious mind of nothingness?

We keep an Open mind by the way to what we may find but for now humanity has never been a able to break the co-relationship between our general idea of consciousness and the brain.

Furthermore KingEbukasBlog to further the course of our enquiry i'd like to point out that contrary to your ideas that the brain is inactive during clinical death current studies and experimentations has show otherwise that the brain remains active and is actually indirectly the cause of the 'heart's demise' due to desperate signals in bombards the heart with in a desperate last minute attempt to save the heart but ends up killing it faster.

Contrary to your view, New Science researches has shown that the brain is active even after clinical death and may be directly responsible for Near Death Experiences at that moment of intense desperate activities and signals sending to the heart.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23672150

http://m.livescience.com/50389-cardiac-arrest-dying-brain-signals.html

http://www.tested.com/science/life/457112-what-happens-brain-during-near-death-experience/

http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/brain-metrics/could_a_final_surge_in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2390236/Near-death-experiences-explained-Surge-brain-activity-trigger-paranormal-visions.html

So what do you make of this new information that shows the Brain is active during the stage clinical death (which is the stage NDE occurs) and May actually be responsible for it as study shows?

johnydon22:
Furthermore KingEbukasBlog to further the course of our enquiry i'd like to point out that contrary to your ideas that the brain is inactive during clinical death current studies and experimentations has show otherwise that the brain remains active and is actually indirectly the cause of the 'heart's demise' due to desperate signals in bombards the heart with in a desperate last minute attempt to save the heart but ends up killing it faster.

Contrary to your view, New Science researches has shown that the brain is active even after clinical death and may be directly responsible for Near Death Experiences at that moment of intense desperate activities and signals sending to the heart.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23672150

http://m.livescience.com/50389-cardiac-arrest-dying-brain-signals.html

http://www.tested.com/science/life/457112-what-happens-brain-during-near-death-experience/

http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/brain-metrics/could_a_final_surge_in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2390236/Near-death-experiences-explained-Surge-brain-activity-trigger-paranormal-visions.html

So what do you make of this new information that shows the Brain is active during the stage clinical death (which is the stage NDE occurs) and May actually be responsible for it as study shows?

Good job on the links , I understand that science tries to explain these experiences though it is limited by what is physically observed . There are examples whereby a person narrates the surgery procedures or whatever activity performed at that time - he sees himself being surgically operated on , he observes everything that happens within a certain juncture .

Can you explain that ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Good job on the links , I understand that science tries to explain these experiences though it is limited by what is physically observed . There are examples whereby a person narrates the surgery procedures or whatever activity performed at that time - he sees himself being surgically operated on , he observes everything that happens within a certain juncture .

Can you explain that ?

I cannot hope to know everything

Someone being surgically operated On is not really dead but rather in a subconscious state induced by the anaesthetic injection.

Or you are implying a clinically Dead patient is being operated On?

Sounds more like a subconscious version of Astral travel which of course is a projection of the illusionary mind.

There is no scientific evidence that astral projection as an objective
phenomenon exists.

There are cases of patients having experiences suggestive of astral projection
from brain stimulation treatments and perceptual anomalies ...

Guys, do you recall the story about the rich man and Lazarus? Whereas his body along with his brain was dead and buried, he was still concious.

The rich man died and went to hell. In hell he could see, he could feel (the flames), he could talk (to Abraham), he could remember ( Lazarus and his family).

According to Rev. Dr. Chris Oyakhilome, Consciousness is in the power of the mind -not the brain.

In page 22 of his newly released book THE POWER OF YOUR MIND, It reads:

What the nervous system is to the body, the soul is to the spirit, and what the brain is to the nervous system, the mind is to the soul...

Thus your mind has the ability to see, hear, perceive and interprete, even though you cant physically locate it in your body. It resides in your soul and is a spiritual entity that only God can see...

The book is a must have! See excerpts below...