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Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 1:10pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
menesheh: I don't know if you need the show, that's why I was asking. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by menesheh(m): 1:14pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
Mindfulness: ok, absolutely no. but why didn't you agree with the previous BOLDED |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 1:31pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
menesheh: I do agree that we do not need ANYONE to save us from the "original sin" but I also think that we need people like Jesus, Buddha, Mandela, MLK, Ghandi and their likes to save us from self-destruction. They can serve us as good examples, inspire and motivate us. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by menesheh(m): 1:47pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
Mindfulness: ok now i understand your point, Mandela, MLK, Ghandi (didnt know much about budha) are historical figures and have enough evidence to support events that was attributed to them. A person by name jesus may have existed but the point here is that those events attributed to his name have no historical bases. the historical jesus with the extra-ordinary events that violates natural laws is an imagery story. so it is irrelevant giving such imagery meduim anything since those things he was attributed to have no bases in our present civilization and well-being 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 2:08pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
menesheh: Buddha and Jesus are historical figures too. Whether Jesus performed any miracles is irrelevant. Whether Ghandi, MLK and Mandela knew anything about Buddha is irrelevant. The point that I am trying to make is that all these people share a similar philosophy. A philosophy that is based on the principles of humility, forgiveness, respect and non-violence. All these people are great examples of personified humanity, kindness and benevolence. This is what I focus on, not on whether Jesus actually could walk on water or make the dead alive. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by johnydon22(m): 2:19pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
Mindfulness:Exactly, this is the point .... I honestly love this. And perhaps when you are dead humanity will also remember you in good light as they remember those ones.. Another living example is Dalalai Lama... I too is of same ideology too Like i have been trying to tell this girl on the other thread "If you want good to be in the world then be the good in the world 3 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 2:28pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
johnydon22: Yeah, I should have also mentioned the Dalai Lama. He is a great personality too. @bold Exactly! |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by menesheh(m): 9:49pm On Sep 06, 2015 |
Mindfulness: How do you go about proving that they are really historical figures and the weird event that was associated with them. We have people that specializes and devoted their entire life in the fields necessary for investigating and evaluating all the past events like anthropologists, pathologist, historians, archeologists etc. There is no shroud of evidence pointing to all these persons and claims as factual. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 5:36am On Sep 07, 2015 |
menesheh: Who are you talking about now? Who are ALL THESE persons? |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by menesheh(m): 6:29am On Sep 07, 2015 |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 2:56pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
menesheh: There are historians who claim that Jesus existed and at least one other who disagrees. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by johnydon22(m): 3:14pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
Mindfulness:[b]The thing is, there is high chance that a man named Yehushua existed in the Roman Israeli outpost of 1st century because that name is a very common name in Israeli, it is same thing as Joshua. Same way there may have existed an outstanding warlord, a war machine and a talented hand in fighting in ancient greek named Achilles son of Pelius leader of the myrmidons, many archeological finds suggest so.... But historicity knows how to detect fables inside a story.. They may be an Achilles and a Jesus in fact i lean on the side that they are both historical but when you tell me Achilles mother was a Nymph (Goddess), His body cannot be pieced or Jesus was born of a Virgin and a God father yahweh, he strolls on water and put back chopped off ears instantly then that is what modern historicity regard as pure Fables or outright fabricated myth. It's like me saying Mindfull exist but he has wings. . . That mindfull exist is a fact but that Mindfull has a wing is pure fabricated and outrightly exaggerated fable by me.. I think they may be a historical Jesus, many of them actually if you check the records of 1st century Jesus'[/b] 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 4:27pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
johnydon22: I agree with you. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 4:43pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
johnydon22: But u won't posit that everything would need to pass thru the emperical test to be true? |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by johnydon22(m): 5:08pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
JMAN05:For every postulation, empirical back up determines the certainty of such postulations |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 5:39pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
johnydon22: U ve not answered the question. I said, But u won't posit that everything would need to pass thru the emperical test to be true? |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by johnydon22(m): 5:56pm On Sep 07, 2015 |
JMAN05:actually i do |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 2:21pm On Sep 08, 2015 |
johnydon22: Meaning that the day it pass the test it became true, previously it was false? If in 1000 years ago, I say there was a big bang, u mean that if at present it was proved emperically, that I was stil wrong a thousand yrs ago when I made the assertion? In other words emperical test makes something true, not that it aims to confirm the truthfulness or otherwise of a matter? Is that ur point. If I should mention everything I mean everything u believe to be true, u have emperical prove of them all? I want to understand this position of urs. |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Nobody: 2:33pm On Sep 08, 2015 |
johnydon22: Of course, u are entitled to ur opinion. However, u would agree that the records does not need ur approval to be a real life events? |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Image123(m): 5:56pm On Sep 08, 2015 |
menesheh: If you could see, where Jesus brought me from to where i am today. Then you will know the reason why i love Him so. Now you can take the world, it's wealth and riches, i don't need earth's power. It's my desire, to live for Him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhuTjGopDVk |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by menesheh(m): 8:08pm On Sep 08, 2015 |
Image123: Flex your prerogative. Group solidarity (video) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Image123(m): 8:32pm On Sep 08, 2015 |
menesheh:Excuse me, do you speak English? |
Re: Is There Any Amount Of Evidence That Would Change Your Views? by Niflheim(m): 1:31pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
@Menesheh, The theists have been ignoring evidence for years, as if it's a good thing!!! This church-sign summarizes their "anti-intellectualism"!!!
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