italo:


If you hadn't lied that Igbo Catholics despise everything about their tradition, even breaking kola, maybe someone could have been tempted to think that this your epistle is true.

hahn:


As an atheist, I don't believe in any form of a supreme entity especially one that is so good at playing hide and seek whether it is of a European or African or Martian origin.

From where I sit, you guys are all practicing rubbish and it's high time you stop criticizing each other and focus on what really matters. The human race.

But I do agree that as Africans we are better at practising and promoting our own beliefs rather than imitating and adopting another race's ideology and placing it over our own. This has stumped our intellectual growth and has also robbed us of our right to our identity

And you still haven't answered my question.

italo:


Jesus Christ was born in Israel but he came and died for all.

He is God the Son who created the world. The true God.

It happens that many cultures have an imperfect understanding of this supreme God and his ways.

The Church comes to show all peoples the true God and his ways. To perfect what is imperfect about them, including Israel.

Where the African culture teaches respect for elders, the Church says Yes. What do Atheists say? Many would care.

Where the African Culture emphasizes a thriving communal life, the Church says Yes. Many Atheists would say no need.

Where the African Culture says kill all twins, the Church says no.

Where the culture says Kings should be buried with 7 heads, the Church says no.

This is not a destruction of culture, it is rather an enhancement and improvement of the African culture.

hahn:


Wait. I need to put on the gen

italo:


If you hadn't lied that Igbo Catholics despise everything about their tradition, even breaking kola, maybe someone could have been tempted to think that this your epistle is true.

italo:


You're welcome to put on the gen.

But to be frank, I see no reason arguing with you. What you falsely accuse the Church of doing to African beliefs (while pretending to be in defence of African beliefs), is precisely what you would do if you could.

italo:
@ hahn, I don't see much reason to discuss with you. You don't actually want to see African culture/beliefs defended.
You actually want to see it overhauled. You just pretended to be in defence of African beliefs to attack the Church.

But I do agree that as Africans we are better at practising and promoting our own beliefs rather than imitating and adopting another race's ideology and placing it over our own. This has stumped our intellectual growth and has also robbed us of our right to our identity

italo:

Jesus Christ was born in Israel but he came and died for all.
He is God the Son who created the world. The true God.

42,000 religions say this is not true even the jews

It happens that many cultures have an imperfect understanding of this supreme God and his ways.

It so happens that many cultures have created their own version of an imaginary supreme being. That's why you are all so confused

The Church comes to show all peoples the true God and his ways. To perfect what is imperfect about them, including Israel.

The church is only concerned about imposing their beliefs on other people and spreading the European world order

Where the African culture teaches respect for elders, the Church says Yes. What do Atheists say? Many would care.

Atheists believe everyone deserves respect irrespective of their age. We also believe in respecting other people's beliefs and opinions. However, if you are going to tell me your belief is the best then you have to be ready to prove it.

Where the African Culture emphasizes a thriving communal life, the Church says Yes. Many Atheists would say no need.

The world is now a global village

Where the African Culture says kill all twins, the Church says no.

Where the church says everyone who doesn't believe in Jesus deserves to go to hell atheists say "that is barbaric"

Where the culture says Kings should be buried with 7 heads, the Church says no.

Where the church says that Mary got pregnant while she was a virgin and impose it as a fact an atheists says, NONSENSE!

This is not a destruction of culture, it is rather an enhancement and improvement of the African culture.

This is not an enhancement or improvement of the African culture but rather the conscious destruction of it by imposing the church's(Europe's elite) beliefs and teaching myths and fairy tales as truths/facts while trying to promote their world order. Italo, you are nothing but a perfect example of an uncle Tom.

ifeness:


This reply is not enough bro.He said your pope is trying to right all the wrongs they have done in the past.Recalling bad goods into the factory. You know the pope was pro-stoning innocent women to death. You need to counter that at least.

ifeness:


This reply is not enough bro.He said your pope is trying to right all the wrongs they have done in the past.Recalling bad goods into the factory. You know the pope was pro-stoning innocent women to death. You need to counter that at least.

italo:


Jesus Christ was born in Israel but he came and died for all.

He is God the Son who created the world. The true God.

It happens that many cultures have an imperfect understanding of this supreme God and his ways.

The Church comes to show all peoples the true God and his ways. To perfect what is imperfect about them, including Israel.

Where the African culture teaches respect for elders, the Church says Yes. What do Atheists say? Many would care.

Where the African Culture emphasizes a thriving communal life, the Church says Yes. Many Atheists would say no need.

Where the African Culture says kill all twins, the Church says no.

Where the culture says Kings should be buried with 7 heads, the Church says no.

This is not a destruction of culture, it is rather an enhancement and improvement of the African culture.

italo:


He needs to prove his lies.

You can't be telling lie after lie without proof and be asking me to counter it.

Start by proving that Igbo Catholics despise everything about Igbo tradition, then maybe I'll start to take you and him serious.

hahn:




You must have must have missed where i said

ifeness:


Noted. In that case can you prove how you god's t know your got existence is real? Thanks

italo:

I don't want to go off-topic. If you want to discuss other things, open a new thread. I'll answer you.

What exactly is your point on this thread?

Did I misread where you said African beliefs were rubbish and should be overhauled?

ifeness:


I assume you have Jesus's birth certificate yeah?

There is no evidence Jesus or his father created the world(stop hallucinating)

Apparently church killed tons of women accused of witchcraft.

Apparently church doesn't care about birth control


Apparently the holy book of the church commanded multiples of genocides

Apparently the church gets rich by forcing the poor to pay money with the threats of hill fire
Apparently the church is openly homophobic.


I could go on and on..... Atheism is the way forward italo.

hahn:


You obviously lack anything to say. I only replied your comments.

And you definitely didn't miss where I also said your belief is rubbish as well.

Whatever. Have a nice day.

hahn:


The guy is adept at dancing around points. He's a typical Christian hero

italo:


You want 'rubbish' African beliefs abolished.

Then you accuse The Catholic Church of wanting 'rubbish' African beliefs abolished.

Yet you say I have nothing to say...

Gimme a break.

italo:


You're the one dancing.

You say rubbish African religion should be abolished...

...then you pretend as if you don't want it abolished...

Where do you stand?

hahn:


Everyone's belief is subject to improvement, I agree. The main point behind this issue is that the church has chosen to IMPOSE theirs on Africans.

hahn:


This is something Africans should choose by themselves.

hahn:



You haven't seen me anywhere telling people to leave their beliefs and join mine

hahn:



and threatening them with hell like you and your church do, have you?

hahn:


You don't understand bro. I don't really care about your beliefs or Africa's beliefs as long as it is not focused on improving the human race here on this earth.

The problem I have is you imposing your beliefs and fairy tales as fact/truth.

Keep it to yourself

italo:


We have a right to propose our belief to others, whether you think it's true or false.

ifeness:


Which you have succesfully done with brutal force.

italo:


We have a right to propose our belief to others, whether you think it's true or false.

italo:


PROPOSE, not impose.

It's impose not propose

The Church proposed Christianity, and many Africans embraced it. Nothing wrong with that.

Everything is wrong with that because a vast majority of people who did were forced to do that. Don't forget that the same Christians who brought Christianity also brought slavery along


That is what you're doing right now. It is my belief that I should share my faith; you're telling me to leave that belief and join your belief that belief should be kept to oneself. No?

No. I am only telling you to keep your belief to yourself. I am only questioning it

Where did I or my Church threaten anyone with hell? Show me.

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

hahn:


And I have the right to question your belief so you can prove if it is true or false

italo:


Of course.

1. And I have a right to answer you or ignore you regardless of whether my belief is true or not.

2. Who has ever denied you the right to question?

3. I have a right to question your beliefs to.

4. Can you see how you are dragging us off topic again? What has questioning got to do with respect for culture? It is not a must to talk. I have proved that what Pope Francis said in the OP is Catholic teaching. End of story.

It's impose not propose.

Everything is wrong with that because a vast majority of people who did were forced to do that. Don't forget that the same Christians who brought Christianity also brought slavery along

No. I am only telling you to keep your belief to yourself. I am only questioning it

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

italo:
In your ignorant opinion, as usual.

plaetton:


Again, You lie.

What is Bad about breaking kolanut, so much so that Igbo Catholics despise it?