bawomolo:

it may be a bit biased but the impact the moors left was undeniable. Would you deny there were learning centers in Iraq.

Who built the University in Timbuktu? MUSLIMS

This isn't to say Islam is a religion of bliss but muslims did have a contribution to society.

rubbish . . . ancient Iraqis, just like modern day Iranians (who are persian NOT arab) . . . were already an advanced civilization BEFORE islam. Ur of the chaldeans is Iraqi (infact modern day Chaldeans are mainly christian), Kurds were NOT muslim and the ancient Babylonian empire was NOT islamic!

Get your facts right!

davidylan:

rubbish . . . ancient Iraqis, just like modern day Iranians (who are persian NOT arab) . . . were already an advanced civilization BEFORE islam. Ur of the chaldeans is Iraqi (infact modern day Chaldeans are mainly christian), Kurds were NOT muslim and the ancient Babylonian empire was NOT islamic!

Get your facts right!

hmm i would give you that.

so who build the University in Timbuktu

i have a feeling you guys are trying to shortchange Muslims here.

I'd dispute that it had as much impact or was as wonderful as some state it was but that's irrelevant. The question here is where is Islamic civilisation now?

UAE? jk

bawomolo:

hmm i would give you that.

Good that you are admitting your own ignorance.

bawomolo:

so who build the University in Timbuktu

Exactly what did it contribute to scientific knowledge? Why is Mali still so backward?

bawomolo:

i have a feeling you guys are trying to shortchange Muslims here.

Why dont you show us what these muslim civilization brought to the world.

going by the noise we have come to expect from dawoda nackson, medieval Christendom must have been seriously retarded/backward, considering how many years Jerusalem lay in the firm grip of Islam.  .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mathematics

Islam and mathematics

A major impetus for the flowering of mathematics as well as astronomy in medieval Islam came from religious observances, which presented an assortment of problems in astronomy and mathematics, specifically in trigonometry, spherical geometry,[12] algebra[13] and arithmetic.[14]

The Islamic law of inheritance served as an impetus behind the development of algebra (derived from the Arabic al-jabr) by Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī and other medieval Islamic mathematicians. Al-Khwārizmī's Hisab al-jabr w’al-muqabala devoted a chapter on the solution to the Islamic law of inheritance using algebra. He formulated the rules of inheritance as linear equations, hence his knowledge of quadratic equations were not required.[13] Later mathematicians who specialized in the Islamic law of inheritance included Al-Hassār, who developed the modern symbolic mathematical notation for fractions in the 12th century,[14] and Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī, who developed an algebraic notation which took "the first steps toward the introduction of algebraic symbolism" in the 15th century.[15]

In order to observe holy days on the Islamic calendar in which timings were determined by phases of the moon, astronomers initially used Ptolemy's method to calculate the place of the moon and stars. The method Ptolemy used to solve spherical triangles, however, was a clumsy one devised late in the first century by Menelaus of Alexandria. It involved setting up two intersecting right triangles; by applying Menelaus' theorem it was possible to solve one of the six sides, but only if the other five sides were known. To tell the time from the sun's altitude, for instance, repeated applications of Menelaus' theorem were required. For medieval Islamic astronomers, there was an obvious challenge to find a simpler trigonometric method.[12]

Regarding the issue of moon sighting, Islamic months do not begin at the astronomical new moon, defined as the time when the moon has the same celestial longitude as the sun and is therefore invisible; instead they begin when the thin crescent moon is first sighted in the western evening sky.[12] The Qur'an says: "They ask you about the waxing and waning phases of the crescent moons, say they are to mark fixed times for mankind and Hajj."[16][17] This led Muslims to find the phases of the moon in the sky, and their efforts led to new mathematical calculations.[18]

Predicting just when the crescent moon would become visible is a special challenge to Islamic mathematical astronomers. Although Ptolemy's theory of the complex lunar motion was tolerably accurate near the time of the new moon, it specified the moon's path only with respect to the ecliptic. To predict the first visibility of the moon, it was necessary to describe its motion with respect to the horizon, and this problem demands fairly sophisticated spherical geometry. Finding the direction of Mecca and the time of Salah are the reasons which led to Muslims developing spherical geometry. Solving any of these problems involves finding the unknown sides or angles of a triangle on the celestial sphere from the known sides and angles. A way of finding the time of day, for example, is to construct a triangle whose vertices are the zenith, the north celestial pole, and the sun's position. The observer must know the altitude of the sun and that of the pole; the former can be observed, and the latter is equal to the observer's latitude. The time is then given by the angle at the intersection of the meridian (the arc through the zenith and the pole) and the sun's hour circle (the arc through the sun and the pole).[12][19]

Muslims are also expected to pray towards the Kaaba in Mecca and orient their mosques in that direction. Thus they need to determine the direction of Mecca (Qibla) from a given location.[20][21] Another problem is the time of Salah. Muslims need to determine from celestial bodies the proper times for the prayers at sunrise, at midday, in the afternoon, at sunset, and in the evening.[12][19]

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Importance

J. J. O'Conner and E. F. Robertson wrote in the MacTutor History of Mathematics archive:

"Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Islamic mathematics. Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects, the mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of Islamic mathematics than to that of Greek mathematics."

R. Rashed wrote in The development of Arabic mathematics: between arithmetic and algebra:

"Al-Khwarizmi's successors undertook a systematic application of arithmetic to algebra, algebra to arithmetic, both to trigonometry, algebra to the Euclidean theory of numbers, algebra to geometry, and geometry to algebra. This was how the creation of polynomial algebra, combinatorial analysis, numerical analysis, the numerical solution of equations, the new elementary theory of numbers, and the geometric construction of equations arose."

Algebra

A page from the Al-jabr wa'l muqabalah by Al-Khwarizmi.

The term algebra is derived from the Arabic term al-jabr in the title of Al-Khwarizmi's Al-jabr wa'l muqabalah. He originally used the term al-jabr to describe the method of "reduction" and "balancing", referring to the transposition of subtracted terms to the other side of an equation, that is, the cancellation of like terms on opposite sides of the equation.[23]

There are three theories about the origins of Arabic algebra. The first emphasizes Hindu influence, the second emphasizes Mesopotamian or Persian-Syriac influence, and the third emphasizes Greek influence. Many scholars believe that it is the result of a combination of all three sources.[24]

Throughout their time in power, before the fall of Islamic civilization, the Arabs used a fully rhetorical algebra, where sometimes even the numbers were spelled out in words. The Arabs would eventually replace spelled out numbers (eg. twenty-two) with Arabic numerals (eg. 22), but the Arabs never adopted or developed a syncopated or symbolic algebra,[7] until the work of Ibn al-Banna al-Marrakushi in the 13th century and Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī in the 15th century.[15]

There were four conceptual stages in the development of algebra, three of which either began in, or were significantly advanced in, the Islamic world. These four stages were as follows:[25]
Geometric stage, where the concepts of algebra are largely geometric. This dates back to the Babylonians and continued with the Greeks, and was revived by Omar Khayyam.
Static equation-solving stage, where the objective is to find numbers satisfying certain relationships. The move away from geometric algebra dates back to Diophantus and Brahmagupta, but algebra didn't decisively move to the static equation-solving stage until Al-Khwarizmi's Al-Jabr.
Dynamic function stage, where motion is an underlying idea. The idea of a function began emerging with Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī, but algebra didn't decisively move to the dynamic function stage until Gottfried Leibniz.
Abstract stage, where mathematical structure plays a central role. Abstract algebra is largely a product of the 19th and 20th centuries.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254671,00.html

WASHINGTON —  Those wondrously intricate tile mosaics that adorn medieval Islamic architecture may cloak a mastery of geometry not matched in the West for hundreds of years.

Historians have long assumed that sheer hard work with the equivalent of a ruler and compass allowed medieval craftsmen to create the ornate star-and-polygon tile patterns that cover mosques, shrines and other buildings that stretch from Turkey through Iran and on to India.

Now a Harvard University researcher argues that more than 500 years ago, math whizzes met up with the artists and began creating far more complex tile patterns that culminated in what mathematicians today call "quasi-crystalline designs."

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/48773/57443/Mathematicians-of-the-Islamic-world-This-map-spans-more-than

for muslim reading

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/index.htm#islcivil

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/decline1.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

Overview

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Views of historians and scholars

There are several different views on Islamic science among historians of science. The traditionalist view, as exemplified by Bertrand Russell,[6] holds that Islamic science, while admirable in many technical ways, lacked the intellectual energy required for innovation and was chiefly important as a preserver of ancient knowledge and transmitter to medieval Europe. The revisionist view, as exemplified by Abdus Salam[7] and George Saliba,[8] holds that a Muslim scientific revolution occurred during the Middle Ages,[9][10] an expression with which scholars such as Donald Routledge Hill and Ahmad Y Hassan express the view that Islam was the driving force behind the Muslim achievements,[11] while Robert Briffault even sees Islamic science as the foundation of modern science.[12] The most prominent view in recent scholarship, however, as examplified by Toby E. Huff,[13][14] Will Durant,[15] Fielding H. Garrison,[16] Muhammad Iqbal[17] Hossein Nasr and Bernard Lewis,[18] holds that Muslim scientists did help in laying the foundations for an experimental science with their contributions to the scientific method and their empirical, experimental and quantitative approach to scientific inquiry, but that their work cannot be considered a Scientific Revolution,[13] like that which occurred in early modern Europe and led to the emergence of modern science,[19][20] with the exception of Ibn al-Haytham's Book of Optics which is widely considered a revolution in the fields of optics and visual perception.[21][22][23][24][25][26]

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Rise
Further information: Islamic Golden Age

During the early Muslim conquests, the Muslim Arab forces, led primarily by Khalid ibn al-Walid, conquered the Sassanid Persian Empire and more than half of the Byzantine Roman Empire, establishing the caliphate across the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa, followed by further expansions across Pakistan, southern Italy and the Iberian Peninsula. As a result, the Islamic governments inherited the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle East, of Greece, of Persia and of India [27]

The art of papermaking was obtained from two Chinese prisoners at the Battle of Talas (751), resulting in paper mills being built in Samarkand and Baghdad. The Arabs improved upon the Chinese techniques using linen rags instead of mulberry bark.

Most notable Arab scientists and Iranian scientists lived and practiced during the Islamic Golden Age, though not all scientists in Islamic civilization were Arab or Muslim. Some argue that the term "Arab-Islamic" does not appreciate the rich diversity of eastern scholars who have contributed to science in that era.[28]

During the Islamic Golden Age, Muslim scholars made significant advances in science, mathematics, medicine, astronomy, engineering, and many other fields. During this time, early Islamic philosophy developed and was often pivotal in scientific debates — key figures were usually scientists and philosophers.

The number of important and original Arabic works written on the mathematical sciences is much larger than the combined total of Latin and Greek works on the mathematical sciences.[29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world

Chemical industries

Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber), the "father of chemistry", invented the alembic still and many chemicals, including distilled alcohol, and established the perfume industry.

Muhammad ibn Zakariya ar-Razi (Rhazes) isolated many chemical substances, produced many medications, and described many laboratory apparatus.

Laboratory setup for steam distillation, invented by Avicenna in the 11th century.

Aqua regia was first isolated by Geber.

Hydrochloric acid, a mineral acid, was first isolated by Geber.

Nitric acid, a mineral acid, was first isolated by Geber.

Sulfuric acid, a mineral acid, was first isolated by Geber.

Arsenic, a chemical element, was first isolated by Geber in the 8th century.

Coloured stained glass windows in the Nasir al-Mulk mosque in Shiraz, Iran.
See also: Alchemy and chemistry in Islam

Early forms of distillation were known to the Babylonians, Greeks and Egyptians since ancient times, but it was Muslim chemists who first invented pure distillation processes which could fully purify chemical substances. They also developed several different variations of distillation (such as dry distillation, destructive distillation and steam distillation) and introduced new distillation aparatus (such as the alembic, still, and retort), and invented a variety of new chemical processes and over 9,000 chemical substances.[2]

Will Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization IV: The Age of Faith:

"Chemistry as a science was almost created by the Moslems; for in this field, where the Greeks (so far as we know) were confined to industrial experience and vague hypothesis, the Saracens introduced precise observation, controlled experiment, and careful records. They invented and named the alembic (al-anbiq), chemically analyzed innumerable substances, composed lapidaries, distinguished alkalis and acids, investigated their affinities, studied and manufactured hundreds of drugs. Alchemy, which the Moslems inherited from Egypt, contributed to chemistry by a thousand incidental discoveries, and by its method, which was the most scientific of all medieval operations."[3]

Robert Briffault wrote in The Making of Humanity:

"Chemistry, the rudiments of which arose in the processes employed by Egyptian metallurgists and jewellers combining metals into various alloys and 'tinting' them to resemble gold, processes long preserved as a secret monopoly of the priestly colleges, and clad in the usual mystic formulas, developed in the hands of the Arabs into a widespread, organized passion for research which led them to the invention of distillation, sublimation, filtration, to the discovery of alcohol, of nitric and sulphuric acids (the only acid known to the ancients was vinegar), of the alkalis, of the salts of mercury, of antimony and bismuth, and laid the basis of all subsequent chemistry and physical research."[4]

bless wikipedia

wonder what nacksons peeps produced - oh yeah dom perignon! one has to wonder what excatly they retired to monasteries to engage in. . .

going by the noise we have come to expect from dawoda nackson, medieval Christendom must have been seriously retarded/backward, considering how many years Jerusalem lay in the firm grip of Islam.

What does that make Islam today? After all Jerusalem now lies in the firm grip of the Jews.

As for your pathetic copy and paste, maybe you should study your source material. There is no proof that Geber even existed let alone discovered everything the statement claims.

Also, why keep harking back a thousand years? This thread is concerning modern day Islam and modern day Christianity. Events a thousand years ago are totally irrelevant.
Of course, I understand that you guys have to harp on about "past glories". After all, you don't have much to harp on about these days apart from backward societies living under tyrannical dictators.

As no answer has been bought forward for the question that I have asked 3 or 4 times, let me answer it myself.



Where is there an Islamic Civilisation in the world today?

Answer: There isn't one.

Bastage:

What does that make Islam today? After all Jerusalem now lies in the firm grip of the Jews.

As for your pathetic copy and paste, maybe you should study your source material. There is no proof that Geber even existed let alone discovered everything the statement claims.

Also, why keep harking back a thousand years? This thread is concerning modern day Islam and modern day Christianity. Events a thousand years ago are totally irrelevant.
Of course, I understand that you guys have to harp on about "past glories". After all, you don't have much to harp on about these days apart from backward societies living under tyrannical dictators.

As no answer has been bought forward for the question that I have asked 3 or 4 times, let me answer it myself.



Where is there an Islamic Civilisation in the world today?

Answer: There isn't one.

and this is how you betray your crass stupidity

events a thousand years ago are irrelevant to the present time?

perhaps china's past civilization is also irrelevant, even though gunpowder, which they invented, is still being used today. perhaps charles babbage is also irrelevant, i wonder how you'd be typing without the first predecessors to computers. i could go on in this vein. . .

only a retarded fool would trumpet about the achievements of the present without acknowledging that they are due to the discoveries of the past.

if this thread is about , 'modern day Islam and modern day Christianity' as you claim, though the name of the topics 'western civilisation vs islamic civilisation' ? or are you another of those who would have us believe that the west and christianity are one and the same?

Civilizations rise and fall. romans, egyptians, greeks. don't get too cocky because today western civilisation is in the ascendancy. though since you are obviously too dumb to take a cue from history, that advice is wasted.

as to 'pathetic copy and paste ' as you call it, i prefer to use sources rather than blather. any fool, (such as yourself) can make statements which cannot be verified and trumpet them as proof .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization

do some reading. . .maybe you need to actually define what a civilisation is before you start blathering. . .

How can you put Islam and Civilization in one sentence? Islamic religion is the biggest treat to the word “civilization”

oyb:


events a thousand years ago are irrelevant to the present time?

Yes, you pathetic cretin. They are totally irrelevant to this topic.

This thread is about civilisations now. Not civilisations a thousand years ago. Not past achievements of any civilisation.


So before you start blathering, how about actually reading the thread and answering the question I have asked time and time again in the context it was given. slowpoke.

Bastage:

Yes, you pathetic cretin. They are totally irrelevant to this topic.

This thread is about civilisations now. Not civilisations a thousand years ago. Not past achievements of any civilisation.


So before you start blathering, how about actually reading the thread and answering the question I have asked time and time again in the context it was given. slowpoke.

how can u even refer to the ancient islamic attrocities modelled around evil as civilisation?

civilization and islam are two opposite poles, they never meet. what's civilised in paedophilic and anti-woman rights?
what's civilised in amputation, beheading and public flogging or marrying a 6 year old girl?

noetic:

how can u even refer to the ancient islamic attrocities modelled around evil as civilisation?

civilization and islam are two opposite poles, they never meet. what's civilised in paedophilic and anti-woman rights?
what's civilised in amputation, beheading and public flogging or marrying a 6 year old girl?

poor noetic, the slowpoke who can't read

go back through the links. a+b/2 etal they taught you in school is handed down from islamic scholars.

denial is a bitch, isn't it ?

oyb:

denial is a bitch, isn't it ?

Denial may be a bitch but running from a question is yellow.

Where is there a Islamic civilisation in the world today?

er . . .UAE, KSA, yemen, Kuwait ?

oyb:

poor noetic, the slowpoke who can't read

go back through the links. a+b/2 etal they taught you in school is handed down from islamic scholars.

denial is a bitch, isn't it ?

islamic scholars or arabian scholars?

dont disguise ignorance as knowledge. what is civilised about islam in the 21st century?

the sexual relations with a 9 year old?
th beheading, amputation or floging of sharia victims?
the enslavement of generations of slaves by allah?
terrorism and the promise of 72 virgins?
incessant under-age islamic marriage?
the blood thirsty jihad infested appetite of allah?

WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS ISLAMIC CIVILISATION, . . . . , THOU IGNORANT SLAVE OF ALLAH

oyb:

er . . .UAE, KSA, yemen, Kuwait ?

in your dreams

thou bastard child, ( you do know that jesus is the only begotten son of your so called god. . .which makes you one of his bastard children, an omo ale. . . , which explains your inablity to comprehend a simple wikipedia article. . .)

hehehe. . . bastard child of the biploar 3inonediety with MPD making noise

fortunately for all of us, as you noted, western nations have consigned your religion to a well deserved place in the dustbin of history, which is why you can make noise about Islam and civilization

go and read up on the spanish inquisition, the rights of women accused as witches, the restriction of scientific investigation by your religious leaders. it is a wonder that the western world you are making noise about was able to escape the dark age of your atrocious religion to the age of enlightenment.

pele , ignoramus - what should one expect from a bastard/omo ale who can't read?

oyb:

thou bastard child, ( you do know that jesus is the only begotten son of your so called god. . .which makes you one of his bastard children, an omo ale. . . , which explains your inablity to comprehend a simple wikipedia article. . .)

hehehe. . . bastard child of the biploar 3inonediety with MPD making noise

fortunately for all of us, as you noted, western nations have consigned your religion to a well deserved place in the dustbin of history, which is why you can make noise about Islam and civilization

go and read up on the spanish inquisition, the rights of women accused as witches, the restriction of scientific investigation by your religious leaders. it is a wonder that the western world you are making noise about was able to escape the dark age of your atrocious religion to the age of enlightenment.

pele , ignoramus - what should one expect from a bastard/omo ale who can't read?

mohammed and "allah" must be proud of u.

i really do support ISLAM in everyway, why don't you people look deep into Nigeria herself that civilization in Africa itself started with the MUSLIM of the NOK culture,no doubt about that, also the first university in the world "UNIVERSITY OF TIMBUKTU" even in NIGERIA most northerners or most most muslim student from any tribe i should say then, are good in mathematics, law and sceinces, its cos there life revolves round it, they have perfect knowledge of how to handle things bestowed upon them by ALMIGHTY ALLAH.was once a CHRISTIAN but now a MUSLIM, and am loving it, thanks to ALMIGHTY GOD and to MUSLIM NAIRALANDERS for revealing truth, pls my MUSLIM BRO& SIS in all always maintain your truth as MUSLIMS, don't be hurt by any of their insults rather continue telling the truth and clarifying it.

@Uplawal

i really do support ISLAM in everyway, why don't you people look deep into Nigeria herself that civilization in Africa itself started with the MUSLIM of the NOK culture,no doubt about that, also the first university in the world "UNIVERSITY OF TIMBUKTU" even in NIGERIA most northerners or most most muslim student from any tribe i should say then, are good in mathematics, law and sceinces, its cos there life revolves round it, they have perfect knowledge of how to handle things bestowed upon them by ALMIGHTY ALLAH.was once a CHRISTIAN but now a MUSLIM, and am loving it, thanks to ALMIGHTY GOD and to MUSLIM NAIRALANDERS for revealing truth, pls my MUSLIM BRO& SIS in all always maintain your truth as MUSLIMS, don't be hurt by any of their insults rather continue telling the truth and clarifying it.

We both started as christians, thats interesting

Interesting indeed!!!!

the NOK's weren't muslims neither was NOK the first civilization in Africa. lets get our facts straight here

sorry i mearnt NIGERIA not AFRICA as regards to the NOK CIVILAZATION. So what are they then since its majorly dominated by muslims?

What baffles me about christaianity is that a god dies, was tortured,dragged on the floor, nailed to the wall and u call that God? Haba,

ok.gerald:

What baffles me about christaianity is that a god dies, was tortured,dragged on the floor, nailed to the wall and u call that God? Haba,

What baffles me about islam is that one of 360 idols with 2 daughters could be extracted from a kaaba, dressed up as a new "god", re-installed in his former shrine and worshipped by billions?

ok.gerald:

What baffles me about christaianity is that a god dies, was tortured,dragged on the floor, nailed to the wall and u call that God? Haba,

Yes, according to the bible

davidylan:

What baffles me about islam is that one of 360 idols with 2 daughters could be extracted from a kaaba, dressed up as a new "god", re-installed in his former shrine and worshipped by billions?

according to www.answering-islam.org

which one is authentic?

uplawal:

i really do support ISLAM in everyway, why don't you people look deep into Nigeria herself that civilization in Africa itself started with the MUSLIM of the NOK culture,no doubt about that, also the first university in the world "UNIVERSITY OF TIMBUKTU" even in NIGERIA most northerners or most most muslim student from any tribe i should say then, are good in mathematics, law and sceinces, its cos there life revolves round it, they have perfect knowledge of how to handle things bestowed upon them by ALMIGHTY ALLAH.was once a CHRISTIAN but now a MUSLIM, and am loving it, thanks to ALMIGHTY GOD and to MUSLIM NAIRALANDERS for revealing truth, pls my MUSLIM BRO& SIS in all always maintain your truth as MUSLIMS, don't be hurt by any of their insults rather continue telling the truth and clarifying it.

where ever ignorance is celebrated, delusion is rampant.

uplawal:

i really do support ISLAM in everyway, why don't you people look deep into Nigeria herself that civilization in Africa itself started with the MUSLIM of the NOK culture,no doubt about that, also the first university in the world "UNIVERSITY OF TIMBUKTU" even in NIGERIA most northerners or most most muslim student from any tribe i should say then, are good in mathematics, law and sceinces, its cos there life revolves round it, they have perfect knowledge of how to handle things bestowed upon them by ALMIGHTY ALLAH.was once a CHRISTIAN but now a MUSLIM, and am loving it, thanks to ALMIGHTY GOD and to MUSLIM NAIRALANDERS for revealing truth, pls my MUSLIM BRO& SIS in all always maintain your truth as MUSLIMS, don't be hurt by any of their insults rather continue telling the truth and clarifying it.

Thanks sister. They will never appreciate the good works.

noetic:

where ever ignorance is celebrated, delusion is rampant.

We celebrated it together when your ignoramuses forefathers used to be sold for slavery.

ok.gerald:

What baffles me about christaianity is that a god dies, was tortured,dragged on the floor, nailed to the wall and u call that God? Haba,

No more baffling than creating a religion around the Jewish god, hardly changing it at all and then hating Jews.

@Davidylan & Noetic

What baffles me about islam is that one of 360 idols with 2 daughters could be extracted from a kaaba, dressed up as a new "god", re-installed in his former shrine and worshipped by billions?

I thougt you said in one of your posts that its three daugters, how come its now two? Who is lying now?

Qur'an 11:18-20
Qur'an 6:5
Qur'an 6:73
those typing all this rubbish/lies don't know what they are getting into. Right now, what they are doing seems like a competition of who can drag the other's name through the mud, regardless of whether what they say is true or not.
You will soon meet your second life.

fellis:

Qur'an 11:18-20
Qur'an 6:5
Qur'an 6:73
those typing all this rubbish/lies don't know what they are getting into. Right now, what they are doing seems like a competition of who can drag the other's name through the mud, regardless of whether what they say is true or not.
You will soon meet your second life.

Surah 19:71 . . . yo're going to hell as a good muslim anyway.

davidylan:

Surah 19:71 . . . yo're going to hell as a good muslim anyway.

bros david, i beg tell me na true say mole people dey get forgiveness of sins after they sleep? someone said here the people that died in their sleep na thier paradise him dey land

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 11:26:48 PM
Na wa o. I read posts but none has been able to answer the question but I will do that. The answer needs no lengthy story but firstly, I thank God for making me a muslim thereby providing the answer in which none of you has been able to. The answer is mad person will not go to hell. The holy prophet said that three people will not have their deeds recorded. The first is a person sleeping and would have nothing written till he wakes. The next is a child that doesnt know right from wrong while the last is insane person till he becomes sane,

babs787:

@Davidylan & Noetic


I thougt you said in one of your posts that its three daugters, how come its now two? Who is lying now?

what difference does 2 or 3 make. allah was shagging allat, and they had daughters

littleb:

We celebrated it together when your ignoramuses forefathers used to be sold for slavery.

what are u talking about?