kingkaspa:
Nice write up.

HCpaul:


Animals of the same mentality.
What is nice about the write up? Silly...

kingkaspa:
I am not going to come down low and talk trash with you, counter the statements by the OP if you are mature enough.

HCpaul:
I believe that you are independent of God, but i don't think that you are independent of the devil.
At some level, satan is also an athiest.
Jonnydon! Why did you believe what the bible says and you still claim that there is no God.
The bible talked about the earth and you believed it.
The bible talked about death and you believed in it because you see people dying.

Keep decieving yourself. You are not an athiest but a backslider.
Have never seen bill gate quoting the scripture, and yet he is an athiest.

Challenging the saints with the scripture is a manifestation of loosing one salvation.
You was once found but lost.

HCpaul:


Them never born you well.
Imagine! On a sunday afternun you are here displaying an act of stupidity.

Bird of the same feathers.

HCpaul:


Animals of the same mentality.
What is nice about the write up? Silly...

kingkaspa:
What else can i do than to laugh at your stupidity and immaturity.

ichommy:

Nobody push you to this Thread. Whats ya own headache about the write Up. Mtcheww

kingkaspa:
Nice write up.

johnydon22:


He should be ignored because giving such persons attention only fuels his idiocy...

I suggest we ignore what any daft write up he brings up that is not in relation to the Op..

malvisguy212:
are you a christian? Can you give me one verse from the bible were God forbid us to ask questions, we should just believe God did it without asking?

HCpaul:


You may call me a fool, but i know what am doing.

The bible said that God uses the foolish things of this world to comfound the wise.

Your wisdom can still send you to hell.

kingkaspa:
Not a Christian.

johnydon22:
[b] ^^^^ You see the insecurity of most Christians? My post in no way mentions the Christian faith or any religion in particular and but the idea of theism and the "Argumentum ad ignorantum" fallacy.

But somehow this guy above makes it about Christianity even when it not in the slightest is about it...

That you imagined i was addressing your religion is your own cup of tea and remains figments of your imagination.

This reveals your own insecurity in your own faith because you assuming i was addressing Christianity is not only idiotic but outrightly wrong..

I have always told you the reason why you rarely make sense is that you don't read, you just assume and rush to comment... Now that you have totally laid a comment that is totally different from the Op and have associated the Op with your religion one wouldn't help just seeing yow daft someone can get..

Now read the post again, understand it and modify...

Please people did i address my post on any religion or God? [/b]

johnydon22:
[b]
I have many times discussed with theistic people both religious and irreligious and many times have been about the existence of God or Gods.

One thing is very clear, all the arguments i have seen from the believers side is always banked on "IGNORANCE of men"

This line of argument not only is it shallow has also betrayed a sort of incuriosity in ascertaining empirically the actuality of these events of phenomenas man has not yet known or explained.

You see something like.

- How was the world created? Since you can't explain it then God did it..

- What brought the universe into existence, since you don't know how that happened then God did it.

- Can you explain the emergence of life, since you don't know then God did it.

-Do you know how the pyramids of Egypt where built, No Gods did it.

This above sums up the totality of it all. . ."I don't know how this happened then God did it"

This line of thought is as dangerous to the curiosity of man as every other thing and it can be a detriment to development of human knowledge in determining how these things happened.

It is a relic of a primitive mindset, a noble but yet i find to be a childish attempt in explaining what is... The ancient men way of explaining a large world they don't even understand yet..

That is where many phenomenas and events where attributed to Gods that are not any more than the personification of the actual reacting elements responsible for these and this has eaten deep into the psychology of humans and sadly through indoctrination has eaten deep into that of 21st century humans an era marked with outstanding scientific enquiry and achievements.

You get things like.

How did this world came to be, the ancients provided answers. . ( Mind you these men knew nothing more than what they can see on earth, they had no idea what the milky way galaxy is talk more of knowing there are others)

Their answers were Gods did it.

To the Egyptians it was ATUM and others deities that did as recorded in the egyptian book of pyramids (one of the very first religious texts known to man)

In babylonian mythology it was Apsu and Tiamat as recorded in Enuma elis

In Canaanite mythology the God el did

In jewish myth Yahweh did.

And so spans to more than 2,900 different versions of creation story found in different cultures and religion in antiquity.

These people were trying to explain the emergence of the world they live in... These stories imbedded in the different cultural decorums of the people where they are found.

The problem with this is that it does not answer the question it only postpones it and stops a mind from striving to know through consistent study and empirical observation how it actually happened.

Because since you think you know, how can you still know that which you already know?

Modern science would dub planetary formations the action of Gravity on matter (Star debris)

...

That we do not know how something did or not have an explanation YET is not a ground for unfounded assumptions dogmatized as a universal truth and worse of all needs to be believed by FAITH.

Long ago we used to think Lightening was because Amadioha got angry, now we know better and nobody is arguing amadioha does that anymore.

That we didn't know how lightening came to be does not mean amadioha must be real to explain how lightening came to be... It means we don't know and that is that.

That we don't know how the universe came to be means we don't not that Gods did it, It simply means we don't

For every claim empirical substantiation is required therefore if one asserts to know how the universe came to be one must be ready to back up their claim empirically by producing methods of deduction.

But no, just ask someone how they got to deduct that fact and you hear "My holy book says so then i believe it with faith"

The idea of "Gods did it" have been one that always feeds on the ignorance of men....

Many people who are familiar with the scientific explanation of planetary formations no longer claim Gods did it but they will have to shift that claim to a premise man have no established knowledge of yet.

So who created the universe?

The things that we know and have explanations for, nobody claims God or Gods are responsible for them ..

But

when we have no explanation for something YET then automatically it becomes evidence for God did it.

Ignorance as regard an event or phenomenon is not evidence for Gods or God but it is only evidence of Ignorance.

That one do not know or explain yet through empirical deductions the emergence of the universe doesn't mean a God did it, it means we don't know yet.

Let us not use our ignorance as a butter to eat unfounded assumptions....

Many in this dogmatic tilt of belief has tend to chastise science and in such mind make science out to be a belief system.

Science in no way has ever hoped on establishing immutable dogmas or postulations that must be believed, science is study through systematic deduction in order to reach a truthful approximation at the same time recognize chances of being wrong and in no way ever asserts absolute truth has been achieved.

What man cannot explain now does not require God to fill that gap, it means we do not have the explanation yet and so we should strive to know and not assume up answers.

In such sheepish line of argument one would in a desperate attempt would label the burden of proof on the one who doubts such claims.

e.g: You hear questions like " Can you prove a creator God didn't do it?"

For crying out loud i can't also prove it wasn't an invisible pen that did it...

How can one disprove that which you the claimant has not proven, that is like disproving nothing..

Let me hope we don't fill our heads with dogmas of knowing and kill our ability to know what really is...

The claims of "God did it" being a relic of a primitive past, i find it to be noble but yet a childish attempt and a gap filler in the face of a premise where we lack knowledge.

We shouldn't be ashamed to agree we don't know there is no shame in it, the only problem arises when assumptions and irrational assertions and attendant behaviours fills the gap left by our ignorance...

The "God did it" will always rely on the ignorance of man for basis [/b]

KingEbukasBlog:


Some atheists peddle Evolution as science

and cannot explain why we evolved certain features instead it is seen or described as an 'evolutionary need' - evolution-of-the-gaps also known as "evolution did it ". Should we call them ignorant too ?

Please I need an honest "yes" or "no" answer and then your reason . Thanks bro

johnydon22:

First evolution is a Scientific theory..



I have read the evolutionary mechanism and find it to be quite drastically different from what both you and most atheists on this board make it out to be.

Many have taken evolutionary theory as an immutable dogma that must be believed in the explanation of human development and therefore tend to lean towards evolution as a form of belief instead of a scientific enquiry...



On the part of many on this board "Yes" it is used as another dogma to replace religious dogmas and distanced from what it actually is which is Subject of scientific enquiry..

Shollyps:
good one prof......still waiting for a reasonable reply from the thiest....so far...they av all been talking trash

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... johnydon22 ... is talking about something entirely different . God did it actually but He wants you to study and study and study to understand the way what he created works .

I mean electronic devices have manuals which help us to understand how they operate . Science helps to understand God's creation . The belief in God does not stop you from making discoveries or comprehending how nature works . Most of the examples given are people's ignorant claims .

khaynoni:


If you read your bible very well, you'll realise that your god never wanted you to know anything. Digest Gen 3 very well and pay a close attention to verse 22. So stop deceiving yourself that he wanted you to understand how things worked, that was why he hid some things from you (ignorant ones).

HCpaul:
I believe that you are independent of God, but i don't think that you are independent of the devil.

At some level, satan is also an athiest.

herald9:

shooo! This is ridiculous!

Satan have been reported many times in the bible to have sat over a bottle of beer with your god in heaven, discussing the fate of humans... Such as in the story of Job.

So if Satan could see your god, see all his acclaimed glories and communicated one on one with him but still became an atheist... YOU HAVE EVERY REASON TO BE WORRIED!

malvisguy212:
fool. I represents christian. I clear the air on christian faith.

abduljabbar4:
Even though im a Muslim, i think the op won this argument. But take for example, prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) gave us signs of end time and many other things that were not existing during his time and now we are seeing it and many other things.

Both the christians and the op are only wasting their time. [size=20]None of you can provide a clear evidence of whether God exists or not. Its all about belief[/size]