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Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by ByfireByfire: 9:43am On Nov 15, 2015
Mary Cannot be a spiritual super mediator and Intercessor as the Roman Catholics make her to be.


To be a spiritual super intercessor after the order of the Master Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, Mary has to be Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient.


She has to have the omniscient ability to hear on the spot and at the same time the prayers of multi million Catholics praying all at once in different locations on Sundays and weekdays. 1 Jn. 5:14.


She has to have the omnipresent ability to be in the midst of all these multi-million Catholics located in a million different places so as to use her omniscient capability to see into their hearts and know if they are praying aright or amiss. Matt. 18:20


She also need an omnipotent ability to minister to the needs of these multi million Catholics at the same time and as well bring their specific individual cases all at once to the Father in intercession. Heb. 7:25.


In summary, Is Mary omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient? The answer is a capital NO!!


Therefore Mary Cannot be a spiritual intercessor.





Heb. 7:25 :- Wherefore he (Christ) is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make INTERCESSION for them.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by Daraph(m): 9:44am On Nov 15, 2015
Okay.... FTC
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by Nobody: 10:28am On Nov 15, 2015
Tell them!!!
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by ByfireByfire: 3:16pm On Nov 15, 2015
1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;(not Mary)

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Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 11:54am On Dec 13, 2015
ByfireByfire:
1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;(not Mary)
How come the mediator is referred to be God by many
and if there is one God, which God is it orrrr
is it just God?
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by ByfireByfire: 4:36pm On Dec 13, 2015
dhateeboi:
How come the mediator is referred to be God by many
and if there is one God, which God is it orrrr
is it just God?

You are here to mock so you'll get no answers. Become a Christian and you'll be made to understand the mystery of trinity. If its too hard for you to accept then just believe in one God the Father and believe in Jesus Christ His son. Then go on and live a righteous life and I tell you that you'll never miss heaven. So first of all abandon your dead religion.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 9:07pm On Dec 13, 2015
ByfireByfire:


You are here to mock so you'll get no answers. Become a Christian and you'll be made to understand the mystery of trinity. If its too hard for you to accept then just believe in one God the Father and believe in Jesus Christ His son. Then go on and live a righteous life and I tell you that you'll never miss heaven. So first of all abandon your dead religion.


I should believe in Jesus being son of God when he claimed in the Bible to be son of man?

Do u even go thru the verses I quoted earlier at all??
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by johnw74: 1:09am On Dec 14, 2015
dhateeboi:



I should believe in Jesus being son of God when he claimed in the Bible to be son of man?


He also said He is the Son of God:

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


The Angel said Jesus shall be called the Son of God:
Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

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Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 7:58am On Dec 14, 2015
johnw74:


He also said He is the Son of God:

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


The Angel said Jesus shall be called the Son of God:
Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


Luke 4:41 and Luke 9:20-21
Jesus refused son of God all called himself son of man
Either of these two must be wrong
the bible disseminating directly opposite messages, Holy?
To give clarity to the one that is most likely wrong, let me show u something.
Jesus wasn't the only son of God according to the bible
Exodus 4:22, God called all Israel my son
II Samuel 7:13-14 or I Chronicles 22:10
Jeremiah 31:9 Deuteronomy 14:1
Actually from above God has two first born
Ephraim and isreal(jacob)
Jesus wasn't even the first born
Now if bible refer to Israel as the Son of God, likewise Ephraim as the Son of God, why is it that only jesus is referred to as the Son even when he isn't the first born.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 8:18am On Dec 14, 2015
@byfirebyfire

Can God and the Angels hear billions of prayers at the same time and attend to them?

Do you believe that Mary is like God and like Angels?
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by OZAOEKPE(f): 9:26am On Dec 14, 2015
DO YOU READ YOUR BIBLE AT ALL? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE VERSE WHERE SHE SAID 'ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED"?
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by urahara(m): 9:39am On Dec 14, 2015
I laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused. ;DI laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused.

Christianity is just the same as any other religion.like any other religion you are all divided. This is to be expected when your religion is made up by ordinary men just like you and I.

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Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 10:51am On Dec 14, 2015
urahara:
I laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused. ;DI laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused.

Christianity is just the same as any other religion.like any other religion you are all divided. This is to be expected when your religion is made up by ordinary men just like you and I.

Division doesn't mean absence of truth.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by ByfireByfire: 11:24am On Dec 14, 2015
italo:
@byfirebyfire

Can God and the Angels hear billions of prayers at the same time and attend to them?

Do you believe that Mary is like God and like Angels?

Angels and Mary cannot hear billions of prayers because they're not omniscient, they are not omnipresent and they are by no means omnipotent. These qualities are the exclusively reserved to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost alone.


Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God and certainly will never be God as Catholics make her out to be.


Mary is less than an ant or an atom before God. So the fact that God in the person of Jesus decided to humble Himself and use the most humiliated birthplace which is a menger and chose the least of women as an entry point to reveal himself to the world doesn't mean we make a God out of the menger or of the woman.

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Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 11:39am On Dec 14, 2015
ByfireByfire:


Angels and Mary cannot hear billions of prayers because they're not omniscient, they are not omnipresent and they are by no means omnipotent. These qualities are the exclusively reserved to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost alone.


Do you believe that when 1 billion Catholics pray, we are all entering the presence of God, Jesus, Angels and Saints at the same time?
ByfireByfire:

Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God and certainly will never be God as Catholics make her out to be.

So this verse is lying:

1John3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by PastorAIO: 12:09pm On Dec 14, 2015
ByfireByfire:


You are here to mock so you'll get no answers. Become a Christian and you'll be made to understand the mystery of trinity. If its too hard for you to accept then just believe in one God the Father and believe in Jesus Christ His son. Then go on and live a righteous life and I tell you that you'll never miss heaven. So first of all abandon your dead religion.

Maybe if you became a catholic you'd understand that Mary is a Mediator.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by PastorAIO: 12:11pm On Dec 14, 2015
urahara:
I laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused. ;DI laugh in Arabic. Christians always arguing among themselves. They can't even agree on even their own bible. You say your God is not the author of confusion and yet you people are so divided and confused.

Christianity is just the same as any other religion.like any other religion you are all divided. This is to be expected when your religion is made up by ordinary men just like you and I.


If God is not the author of confusion and Christians are confused then who is the author of this confusion called christianity?
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by ByfireByfire: 12:29pm On Dec 14, 2015
italo:


Do you believe that when 1 billion Catholics pray, we are all entering the presence of God, Jesus, Angels and Saints at the same time?


So this verse is lying:

1John3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.


A similar verse also says thus:

Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....

The two verses do not suggest equality with God in personality, functionality, power, omnipotence and such like else man would already be like God from creation.

The verses simply speak of being like God in holiness and in saintly nature.


When 1 billion Catholics pray the prayers don't enter the presence of God, angels and saints at the same time else we won't need Jesus as a mediator and the Holy Spirit as intercessor. They pass through Jesus Christ the mediator.


When such prayers arrive at the presence of God at once through the equally omnipotent mediator, God alone has the ability to distinctly discern and process each of those prayers arriving at once by His Omnipotence. The Angels and saints have no such ability.


It will take several Angels working together and for a longer duration to be able to achieve what omnipotence and omniscience can achieve at once.


I'm extremely busy now so I'll tender scriptures when I get home by night.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by PastorAIO: 12:36pm On Dec 14, 2015
ByfireByfire:


A similar verse also says thus:

Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....

The two verses do not suggest equality with God in personality, functionality, power, omnipotence and such like else man would already be like God from creation.

To share a likeness does not suggest equality.

I don't know what Paul was talking about here:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: - Philly 2;6

Unless you're a JW.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by Nobody: 1:00pm On Dec 14, 2015
ByfireByfire:
Mary Cannot be a spiritual super mediator and Intercessor as the Roman Catholics make her to be.


To be a spiritual super intercessor after the order of the Master Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, Mary has to be Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient.


She has to have the omniscient ability to hear on the spot and at the same time the prayers of multi million Catholics praying all at once in different locations on Sundays and weekdays. 1 Jn. 5:14.


She has to have the omnipresent ability to be in the midst of all these multi-million Catholics located in a million different places so as to use her omniscient capability to see into their hearts and know if they are praying aright or amiss. Matt. 18:20


She also need an omnipotent ability to minister to the needs of these multi million Catholics at the same time and as well bring their specific individual cases all at once to the Father in intercession. Heb. 7:25.


In summary, Is Mary omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient? The answer is a capital NO!!


Therefore Mary Cannot be a spiritual intercessor.





Heb. 7:25 :- Wherefore he (Christ) is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make INTERCESSION for them.
My friend do you know the difference between earth and heaven? Free tip: those on earth are constrained by time & space that is why they cannot be in two places simultaneously. I hope you know that in eternity i.e heaven, there is no such limitation therefore those in heaven have the ability to be everywhere. Your shallow argument falls flat. Also if you didn't know, there is a difference between intercessor and mediator.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 1:33pm On Dec 14, 2015
ByfireByfire:


A similar verse also says thus:

Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....

The two verses do not suggest equality with God in personality, functionality, power, omnipotence and such like else man would already be like God from creation.

The verses simply speak of being like God in holiness and in saintly nature.
You're the one suggest equality with God not me.

What you said was that "Mary is not like God, can never be like God, will never be like God."

While the Bible says 'Mary is like God.'

Who should we believe? You or the Holy Spirit.
ByfireByfire:

When 1 billion Catholics pray the prayers don't enter the presence of God, angels and saints at the same time else we won't need Jesus as a mediator and the Holy Spirit as intercessor. They pass through Jesus Christ the mediator.


When such prayers arrive at the presence of God at once through the equally omnipotent mediator, God alone has the ability to distinctly discern and process each of those prayers arriving at once by His Omnipotence. The Angels and saints have no such ability.


It will take several Angels working together and for a longer duration to be able to achieve what omnipotence and omniscience can achieve at once.


I'm extremely busy now so I'll tender scriptures when I get home by night.

Heb12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[g] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Is the Holy Spirit lying in that verse?

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Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 4:00pm On Dec 14, 2015
Even another part of the bible said none but God is worthy to be worship.. M jesus feared that people will worship him in vain..
He also said God is one
now y 3 gods?
and now Mary is God?


And u all tend to have proofs from so called bible u tagged Holy
isn't that enough evidence that the book is never holy..
Written by some people??
can't we think straight?
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 4:15pm On Dec 14, 2015
dhateeboi:
Even another part of the bible said none but God is worthy to be worship.. M jesus feared that people will worship him in vain..
He also said God is one
now y 3 gods?
and now Mary is God?


And u all tend to have proofs from so called bible u tagged Holy
isn't that enough evidence that the book is never holy..
Written by some people??
can't we think straight?

You are the one claiming that there are three gods..

...and that there are three Gods.

It seems you're the one not thinking straight.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 4:24pm On Dec 14, 2015
italo:

You are the one claiming that there are three gods..
...and that there are three Gods.
It seems you're the one not thinking straight.


I accept that.. are u now saying there is just one God? Jesus is not the Son of God has he has said that he's not?? Mary is not God and not the Holy, as there is only one God
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 5:07pm On Dec 14, 2015
dhateeboi:

I accept that.. are u now saying there is just one God?
Jesus is not the Son of God has he has said that he's not??
Mary is not God and not the Holy, as there is only one God

Three person in one God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Mary is not God.

Catechism 101.
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 5:14pm On Dec 14, 2015
italo:

Three person in one God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Mary is not God.
Catechism 101.

One God? But there are three person in a God?? u dare call God person??

That one no pain me!! Didn't jesus feared that people will tag him as God somaw?? Did he ever during his lifetime even mentioned anything like 3in1??
did he even mentioned christianity
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 5:26pm On Dec 14, 2015
dhateeboi:



One God?
But there are three person in a God??
u dare call God person??


That one no pain me!!
Didn't jesus feared that people will tag him as God somaw??
Did he ever during his lifetime even mentioned anything like 3in1??

did he even mentioned christianity

I don't know if Jesus mentioned those terms.

Do you know?
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:33pm On Dec 14, 2015
PastorAIO:


To share a likeness does not suggest equality.

I don't know what Paul was talking about here:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: - Philly 2;6

Unless you're a JW.


Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:34pm On Dec 14, 2015
PastorAIO:


Maybe if you became a catholic you'd understand that Mary is a Mediator.
LOL
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by dhateeboi(m): 5:39pm On Dec 14, 2015
italo:


I don't know if Jesus mentioned those terms.

Do you know?

I know!! he neither called himself a Christian not proclaim Christianity as a religion before God.


Likewise he feared being tagged God
Mathew 15:9 John 8:28 John 14:28 Mark 12:29 Luke 23:46 Mark 13:32 Psalms 121:4 Luke 5:16



for more qoutations!!
www.nairaland.com/2798715/some-important-often-over-looked-verses
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by ByfireByfire: 9:35pm On Dec 14, 2015
Papist:

My friend do you know the difference between earth and heaven? Free tip: those on earth are constrained by time & space that is why they cannot be in two places simultaneously. I hope you know that in eternity i.e heaven, there is no such limitation therefore those in heaven have the ability to be everywhere. Your shallow argument falls flat. Also if you didn't know, there is a difference between intercessor and mediator.

Your own shallow understanding falls short. Those in eternity are not constrained by time and space... agreed ! But do they possess God's exclusive ability of omnipresence? Can one of them be in a million places at the same time? The answer is NO!!


Catholics project Mary as both an intercessor and a mediator. Functions that belong exclusively to The Holy Ghost and Christ Jesus. Believers in Christ that are yet alive can also intercede for each other and we are admonished to pray for one another but there is no record from Genesis to revelation where anyone ever prayed(as a pattern) or was commanded by God to pray through saints that have passed on to glory. Saul the king of Israel tried it and it was accounted to him for divination. 1 sam. 28:8,9
Re: Why Mary Cannot Be An Intercessor. by italo: 9:44pm On Dec 14, 2015
dhateeboi:


I know!! he neither called himself a Christian not proclaim Christianity as a religion before God.


Likewise he feared being tagged God
Mathew 15:9 John 8:28 John 14:28 Mark 12:29 Luke 23:46 Mark 13:32 Psalms 121:4 Luke 5:16



for more qoutations!!
www.nairaland.com/2798715/some-important-often-over-looked-verses

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