Akpangbon

check overall passenger and baggage traffic at all the nations airports and see for yourself

otokx:

Akpangbon

check overall passenger and baggage traffic at all the nations airports and see for yourself

I just did but saw nothing!

This is why we need to take the business of transpotrt away from the Government.

If you read my post on what I think Yaradua and Fashola should do on Road and transporthttps://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=273409.msg3882494#msg3882494 would prevent this.

Besides if we are Afraid to Fail we have failed even though success is in front of us.

KnowAll:

Explain this 'writing off' thing. Why would I write off the cost of an airport?  


The 1.27 billion dollars that would be spent on the access road in abuja would the govement get that money back ? qustion 2 is it viable or necessay I am sure u can answer that question. Any cost that cannot be recovered is written off as long as the developmental goal is acheived

First of all, references to a 'proposed' Abuja road project have nothing to do with the issue at hand - that project itself might not be a well thought out one, so it cannot be used as a basis for this discussion.

You cannot simply 'write off' a cost - In case you missed it the first time, let me reiterate - unless the project will repay the cost of it's construction through revenue, OR repay the cost through associated increase in economic activity due to it's use.

Your airport will not meet that requirement. It is not necessary either, so that is no excuse. Finally, those are not the only considerations - can the money be better expended in OTHER uses? This is perhaps a greater question than the debate on viability. We have more pressing needs than building airports in remote locations without basic road infrastructure.

You might as well advocate closing down Lagos, Abuja, Kano, PH airports to prove your points.

firstly we need to bring up to standard the existing airports.

the facilities in the lagos airport are grossly inadequate and innefective.

secondly, the abuja airport looks somewhat uncompleted, please correct me if i am wrong.

there is no point building airports at all these styate capitals because there are clear indications that they would not be fully utilised

mopving forward the most economical place ti site an airport now would be somewhre in the lekki/ajah/epe axis

it would be easily accessible to lagos residenst and others from the hinterland via the sagamu/epe route.

"You cannot simply 'write off' a cost - In case you missed it the first time, let me reiterate - unless the project will repay the cost of it's construction through revenue, OR repay the cost through associated increase in economic activity due to it's use."


Airports are like state University, any Governor in other to show his people that he has done something he will either establish a state Uni if they dont have one already or establish an airport. Even if the Airport's fence is touching another airport's fence but the other airport happened to be in a diffrent state. Airports are Governors personal helipad, Most Governors would rather put an airport in their state than travel 100 km to nearest airport. Akala would rather fly from Ibadan than travel to Lagos. In most cases the Governor of the state and his commisoners are the only people using such airports. Airports are political projects viability does not come to play when building them in Nigeria. But like I said earlier with time it will pay itself. The initial cost of building it is dead money never to be recoverd.

ok, airports are not required when u have good roads and train system (according to some people).
With good roads and what have you traffic will be reduced and so will accidents, (still according to some people).

But my dear, i beg to disagree. There is no i repeat NO[/i] country in this world with ALL those good road networks and trains system and wot have you that still does not have traffic and accidents on their roads,

The bottom line is, STRATEGICALLY LOCATED[color=#770077][/color] airports are very infact [b[i]]extremely [/b] IMPORTANT.

The fact that we have some nonfunctional airstrips does not mean we should not invest in FUNCTIONAL / ECCONOMICALLY viable ones.

The initiation of anything always sounds too expensive and outrageous but what i have found out in Nigeria is that over time (and private investment / management), it always becomes affordable,

taking a cue form when GSM was to be introduced into Nigeria, a lot of outcry came that it was too expensive and why cant NITEL be revamped, but today, what is the case, ?
THANK GOD FOR GSM and PRIVATE investment into GSM!

I still remain on the stance that GOOD GOVERNANCE IS what we need to carry it on,
the airport may not seem important to u, but there are people dying for it and the story about carrying the poor along, lets face it, taxi parks will spring up, food is ready will spring up, cleaners and what have u will spring up to mention a few, in the end it leads to Job creation,

Lets not forget also that with choices on where to fly to, the air tickets become more competitive, taking cue form Warri airstrip how the cost of flying to warri reduced,
again, ACN 7K flights, how did it come up, ?

What has building airports in South Korea got to do with building airports in Nigeria? Nigerians wont cease to amaze me.

In Nigeria, if we have 50, 000 under-utilized shops in the different locations  of the country and only 10 in the east will it be sufficient for the nation?
The ans is no, its a pity the 50,000 were not strategically located but whether they are being used or not, more shops need to be made in the east,

IF you have over 100 institutions for learning in every location of the country (infact 2 are even begging for students to come and take free admission) and only 2 in the west will it pass?
Again the answer is no! u need more in the west,

If government locates 1000 hay/fodder barns around the country and only 2 in the north will it suffice?
NO!

The point am making is this, that we have some not-so-utilized facilities in the country because of location does not mean we should give on providing those facilites for people that are lacking it.

If airports were moveable, i would have said the government shoud re-locate the under-utilizd ones to where they will serve their time,

the bottom line is Road or no road, train or no train, boat or ships, some locations in Nigeria DO need airport is close to them,
LET US PRAY FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE so the projected projects do not turn to white elephant projects,
But whether they are necessary in some areas that dont have them yet? , YES THEY ARE

o9999:

The bottom line is, STRATEGICALLY LOCATED[color=#770077][/color] airports are very infact [b[i]]extremely[/i] [/b] IMPORTANT.

The fact that we have some nonfunctional airstrips does not mean we should not invest in FUNCTIONAL / ECCONOMICALLY viable ones.

The initiation of anything always sounds too expensive and outrageous but what i have found out in Nigeria is that over time (and private investment / management), it always becomes affordable,

What is 'strategic' in building another airport when there is one 79 miles to the west and 60 miles to the east like the Asaba case?

What is the strategic sense in building another airport in Ogun when the Ibadan and Lagos airports are within similar distances as above?

What is the strategic sense in building the Akwa Ibom airport with the PHC airport and Calabar airports in close proximity to the east and to the west respectively?

No one is arguing with strategic placements of airport - the ones mentioned above are not strategic in any sense, except helping fill politicians' pockets and foster a grandiose sense of 'arrival' or 'status' for the state governor.

o9999:

In Nigeria, if we have 50, 000 under-utilized shops in the different locations  of the country and only 10 in the east will it be sufficient for the nation?
The ans is no, its a pity the 50,000 were not strategically located but whether they are being used or not, more shops need to be made in the east,

This is an irrelevant argument - There are at least TWO airports in each geopolitical zone, so the issue of building more should not arise at the moment, given the state of roads and other critical infrastructure needed to properly utilise the existing airports.

Nigerians dont want development, dont need development, Nigeria is a doomed country.

What is 'strategic' in building another airport when there is one 79 miles to the west and 60 miles to the east like the Asaba case?

What is the strategic sense in building another airport in Ogun when the Ibadan and Lagos airports are within similar distances as above?

What is the strategic sense in building the Akwa Ibom airport with the PHC airport and Calabar airports in close proximity to the east and to the west respectively?


@debosky

You dont seem to get it, airports are for the convience of the Governors and are politcal motivated and nothing else , even Gbenga Daniel of Ogun State find it tedious to travel 60 miles to lagos.

@ Debosky,,
have you ever been to Ontisha, calabar? more like, have u had to travel around nigeria?


then you wil know that the airport @ Warri or Benin does not serve any one at onitsha,
you might as well do the a full journey from lagos on road,

Again,
For Calabar / Akwaibom, you keep calling Port harcourt International airport, ? Y? that they are both called niger- delta does not ,mean the distance is close, even with the good roads,

Geographical location (east, west, north, niger delta, etc does not put the states or capitals within the same proximity my dear, )

Please can someon who knows Port harcourt / calabar or akwa Ibom help out here,
your arguement should be more like the airport in Benin should serve those in Akure/ Ogun state.

ITs like saying ther should be no airport in Kano since there is already one in Kaduna,
Do you know how far apar they are


IF good roads and rail tracks can pass for aiports, y dont other countries just build roads and rail afterall its cheaper,

My dear, look beyond now,
if the government didnt even build the ones they did when they did (because of screams like this) am sure we wont have even 1 functional airport


Please oh!!! let the government not build airport for you,
but rather than loot my money, they should do the so called white elephant project.

nuzo:

It is hypocritical to compare the Korean politicians and their environment to that of Nigeria. Korea is already developed with almost all the necessary infrastructures in place.

It is true that most of those white elephant projects put up by the korean leaders are politically motivated. Good thing is that they dont stop at promising such projects in their campaigns but actually go ahead to build and complete it with little no corruption reported.

In nigeria, the reverse is the case. They make noise about it for years, lay some shaky foundations and loot the rest of the money.
Have any of those governors proposing such big projects started anything on the airports?
Korea has an estimated 78 usable airfields, 35 with permanent paved runways, and 19 heliports (2003 estimate).
Now, how many does Nigeria have?

I want to believe that you are kidding for saying that building more airports in nigeria (lagos included) is a waste.
As regards to TINAPA, has it been completed as was earlier proposed on papers?
Only a naive being would think that TINAPA would not be maximized if there was anything like continuity and zero tolerance for corruption in nigeria.

Right here, almost every major city has a trade zone and an airport and its working for them perfectly.

What do you mean by naive?

Government anywhere in the world has no business misusing public fund building shopping complex and mall like TINAPA- NEVER!
Nigeria don't need many airports in areas it has already got an airport like Lagos, when as little as 2 million people uses MMA services in a whole year and only 1% of Nigeria flies at least once in a year. N400 million will put one specialist hospital in very local govt council of Lagos with a 21st century equipments. It's called scale of preference.

Eziachi:

What do you mean by naive?

Government anywhere in the world has no business misusing public fund building shopping complex and mall like TINAPA- NEVER!
Nigeria don't need many airports in areas it has already got an airport like Lagos, when as little as 2 million people uses MMA services in a whole year and only 1% of Nigeria flies at least once in a year. N400 million will put one specialist hospital in very local govt council of Lagos with a 21st century equipments. It's called scale of preference.

Ok, comparing what government everywhere else in the world does with what is doen in Nigeria is a total bull crap, who is this person?

Ok, comparing what government everywhere else in the world does with what is doen in Nigeria is a total bull crap, who is this person?


Tell that man to go and read the other thread about the withdrawal of official cars to the wifes of LG chairmen, then may be he will understand Niaja politics. Even MPs in UK dont have Officail cars how much MPs wife.

KnowAll:

Ok, comparing what government everywhere else in the world does with what is doen in Nigeria is a total bull crap, who is this person?


Tell that man to go and read the other thread about the withdrawal  of official cars to the wifes of LG chairmen, then may be he will understand Niaja politics. Even MPs in UK dont have Officail cars how much MPs wife.

mps in the uk dont have cars.  some junior ministers dont have cars.

how does an mp in the uk = council chairman in akpalakpa LG?

AjaraEwuro:

Nigerians dont want development, dont need development, Nigeria is a doomed country.

It seems you take a new ID ever so often so you can be taken seriously. Let me try this one .


Nigerians WANT development, but NOT STUPID development. Does that help? It is one thing to build a viable airport or NEEDED roads, and another to build non-viable airports, and roads that will be UNDER-UTILIZED. You can at least have a dictionary next to you when you read these articles so you better understand the story.

Kobojunkie:

It seems you take a new ID ever so often so you can be taken seriously. Let me try this one .


Nigerians WANT development, but NOT STUPID development. Does that help? It is one thing to build a viable airport or NEEDED roads, and another to build non-viable airports, and roads that will be UNDER-UTILIZED. You can at least have a dictionary next to you when you read these articles so you better understand the story.

I will not take that accusation lightly, you are an idiot for making that accusation about me taking up new IDs, what proof do you have? Your shit face have been reported to the moderator.

Kobojunkie:

It seems you take a new ID ever so often so you can be taken seriously. Let me try this one .


Nigerians WANT development, but NOT STUPID development. Does that help? It is one thing to build a viable airport or NEEDED roads, and another to build non-viable airports, and roads that will be UNDER-UTILIZED. You can at least have a dictionary next to you when you read these articles so you better understand the story.

you are so funny

Lol @AjaraEwuro, I apologize IF this is not you, the forum clown, under there!!

Kobojunkie:

Lol @AjaraEwuro, I apologize IF this is not you, the forum clown, under there!!

ok - accepted. Who is d clown by the way?

Ok - Kobo, be careful next time, or I mow you down with my mouth.

They are chinks, what do expect.

if only we knew that cost incurred by airlines would make airfares balloon into the sky when cost outruns revenue. writing off startup cost to make an airport viable is an indication that it is not going to be viable. not to talk of that being cooking the books.

writing off startup cost to make an airport viable is an indication that it is not going to be viable. not to talk of that being cooking the books.

Writing off is part of good govenance and is practised in a lot of big business all over the world. You dont want to give a business to some to run by saying well we start with -$2million dollars now make me some money. What you do is write off the $2million dollars and tell the person you are starting with no debts make this airport profitable.

KnowAll:

writing off startup cost to make an airport viable is an indication that it is not going to be viable. not to talk of that being cooking the books.

Writing off is part of good govenance and is practised in a lot of big business all over the world. You dont want to give a business to some to run by saying well we start with -$2million dollars now make me some money. What you do is write off the $2million dollars and tell the person you are starting with no debts make this airport profitable.

KnowAll abeg no kill me with ur postulations abeg. if you would build an airport, write off the cost u incure to build it and then hand over a debt free airport to someone to manage, then we could as well have giving the person the money to build the airport himself then.

a new stadium just got built for a team out here(its highly subsidized) i dont know the exact percentage but the tax payers bore the most of the burden. Guess what, they did not write that cost to tax payers off. the team had figured out how to bring in the revenue to help justify the huge subsidy even before they got approval. so you preaching write off to me is simply cooking the books in my opinion.

a new stadium just got built for a team out here(its highly subsidized) i dont know the exact percentage but the tax payers bore the most of the burden. Guess what, they did not write that cost to tax payers off. the team had figured out how to bring in the revenue to help justify the huge subsidy even before they got approval. so you preaching write off to me is simply cooking the books in my opinion

There is noting like cooking the books in a country that requires all these development activities, when a country is putting certain infrastruture in place they are not thinking of viability they are thinking we need an airpot here they build it, we need a train station here they build it, we need a flyover here they build it. They might sell some of these infastrutures in later years just like Heathrow airport, British rail, British airways. When they sell it they will not say we are owing $25 million that debt is now yours they write it off and sell it off just to cut their losses.

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for anambraians

there is an airport at enugu-an hour drive; not too bad

right now, the one under construction in  asaba-less than 45 mins; just like london-gatwick 45 mins by train, drivin maybe 1 hour

so why would anambra wana build airport

make the best use of your land!!! jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeussss christ!!!

use that money build 10 storey health care multi-complex

in that way hmmm nigeria will be fast creatin miscelllanous jobs, developin etc in line with G20 target

u cant go round buildin airport like land comes from heavan[/size]

ikeyman00:

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for anambraians

there is an airport at enugu-an hour drive; not too bad

right now, the one under construction in  asaba-less than 45 mins; just like london-gatwick 45 mins by train, drivin maybe 1 hour

so why would anambra wana build airport

make the best use of your land!!! jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeussss christ!!!

use that money build 10 storey health care multi-complex

in that way hmmm nigeria will be fast creatin miscelllanous jobs, developin etc in line with G20 target

u cant go round buildin airport like land comes from heavan[/size]

You make me laugh, I think you have a gap tooth or something?

^^^^

it only a slowpoke that will laugh at the bettermnet of his children children

however make sure u brush ur teeth next time u are laughin cuz it could be lethal to the public