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Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by benodic: 11:50am On Dec 23, 2015 |
it is a seed for contemplation . |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 12:00pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
benodic: It is a contemplation for a seed. Ha Yeah, it's something to think about |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by Nobody: 12:55pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
I personally sense that you did (indeed) loose faith. But the faith you are loosing is the Blind religious Faith. Now arises in your heart, true faith. What I mean is, you're in the process of enlightenment, keep digging and searching for the Truth. I went through the same path many years ago. If I was permitted to give a modest advice, it would be as follows. Always follow your heart, for it will surely lead to GOD. Religion and Spirituality are not one and the same thing, just as true worship of GOD does not require (necessarily) affiliation to a human religious system. Greetings. |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 1:52pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
LoJ: Well, there is a saying that "true belief is refined through fire" |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 1:53pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Kingebukasblog, how market? |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by ifenes(m): 2:32pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: It is not weed, the story can be found in books. 1 Like |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 2:34pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by johnydon22(m): 2:54pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: For me i wouldn't call it lost of faith because religion as a huge part in the lives of many of us before was too big to be tagged merely an act of faith. . It was also an act of profound emotion and attachment.. It wasn't a lose of faith for me exactly but just Discovery of Self and Independence in Reason.. Well your points there are true but not necessarily are they the main reasons, there are many factors that murders religiosity in people in this case Christianity.. But one cannot deny your points also contributes to it in many cases ... 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by Rilwayne001: 5:30pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: This is the most valid of your points. People like Anunnaki, truthman2012, ifeann and so on, including you as well-knows very little about the bible. Imagine ifeann a.k.a parisbookadict arguing with me that there is no talking donkey in the bible and that such a myth exists only in Islam. The ignoramus after finding out that indeed a donkey allegedly talked in the bible covered are ignorance by claiming that it happened for a reason and that those one in the Hadith are myths.. lool. I think this section is forcing you guys to read your bible and not just on Sunday (where your pastors only preach about normal things therein) so as for you guys to see it for what it is. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by Annunaki(m): 6:27pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: On the contrary it is most muslims that don't know about their religion because they have been fooled to think mohamed was a good and honourable man and that islam is a religion of peace. In reality nothing can be further from the truth cause contrary to the beliefs of most ignorant muslims, mohamed was an evil, despicable, vile murderous villain and the worst of mankind. If most muslims know what mohamed truly was, they would have long renounced islam. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by Rilwayne001: 6:46pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Annunaki:[/s] I was expecting you to deny my point. No need stating the contrary. Prove to me that you know anything about the bible or the faith you profess. |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by jared007: 6:50pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger:Just read the crap u wrote up there and arrived at a conclusion: "You were never a Christian talk more of a Strong Christian" |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by Annunaki(m): 6:58pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Dunce I don't need to prove my faith to an infidel like you, if you need to know anything about my faith, you are free to ask questions and I may choose to oblige you. 1 Like |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by ifenes(m): 7:09pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: Books from which the bible stories were stolen from 1 Like |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by ValentineMary(m): 7:37pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
kodded:It is funny how people make claims without proof to back them up. Pls can u prove that evolution is false before I go further? 1 Like |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 8:35pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: See hypocrisy! While you are telling the truth about some christians not knowing the bible, you and some of your brethren have been shown to be either ignorant or plain deceitful about things in the Quran/Hadith. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 8:37pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
johnydon22: People are different. Different reasons for changing faith. You have read the thread where some guy lost faith because his dad was not healed by miracles. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 8:38pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
jared007: RECEIVE SENSE! AMEN! |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by johnydon22(m): 8:51pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
ValentineMary:No bro this is a logical fallacy known as Burden of proof reversal.. he is the one that doubts "evolution" and so you as the propagator of the scientific thesis of evolution owes him the proof not ask him proof against it. The onus is on the person proposing the theory(fact) to provide proof not the person doubting it.. So the best you can do now is give him the list of empirical back up for evolution not ask him to provide proof for the negate.. that is absurd 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by ValentineMary(m): 9:46pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
PROOF OF EVOLUTION: First of all evolution is a gradual process that has to do with the adaptation of organisms to their environment. It deals with modification of cells, polypeptide sequence, etc. Let us take the mitochondria and chloroplast for example. These organelles have their own DNA unlike anyother organelle. This is not what is striking. The striking part is that these organelles have circular DNA like the DNA of some prokaryotic cells. These organelles also divide when the cell divides. This is a proof that probably these organelles were prokaryotic cells that got into a eukaryotic cell and lost the ability to live independently. This is a proof of evolution. Let us take another virulent cell eg trypanomiasis. When these cells are attacked by therapeutic agents like drug, the plasmid somehow codes for defence against these drugs. These modification can be inherited. This is another proof of evolution. Let us also take some archeological findings. eg HOMO NADALIS, HOMO ERECTUS, etc. It is a known fact that these organisms have existed before but are no loger around. They are not humans, neither are they monkeys. So where did they all go to The ans is simple. Evolution. If I was told 50 years ago that evolution is not true, I would have believe but as of 2015, evolution is a known fact. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by johnydon22(m): 7:38am On Dec 24, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger:Yes thats why i told you there are numerous reasons that contributes to the lose of faith in many.. Some lost faith by reading the bible, by acknowledging the implausible tales, lies and outright inconsistencies |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by parisbookaddict(f): 8:44am On Dec 24, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Salam Mr muslim u will never change. Always using al taqiyya to make ur points. I never argued with u about a talking donkey in the bible. Post a link about the conversation let's look at it. I remember the topic was about mohammed flying a donkey. Mohammed claimed he flew a donkey to deceive his followers. Some claim he made up the story because he was caught in a precarious situation with a woman while he was supposed to be somewhere else then he had to invent the flying donkey tale to explain why he was where he was. Nobody withnessed him fly the donkey by the way. While we were explaining to u how silly the flying donkey tale was and why he invented it, u then threw the talking donkey verse as a redherring. I only admitted I don't know the verse which it occurred in and when I found out I posted it to u and explained that the donkey talked to humble the supposed prophet who was disobedient. He had 2 other withnesses who saw it happen according to the tAle. If I ever claim I know all the stories in the bible and the verses it occurs in then I am a lair. U on the other hand always imply u are an encyclopedia of the quran. But we all know u know little about the QUran. The day u finish the quran in English is the day u become an exmuslim. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 8:48am On Dec 24, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: I would have taken his post seriously, if only he wasnt a hypocrite. Don't mind him |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by menesheh(m): 9:00am On Dec 24, 2015 |
Annunaki: Is the bible a fact, a theory or a hypothesis? |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by parisbookaddict(f): 11:24am On Dec 24, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: rilwayne001 is a well known pathological lair. I don't take him serious. By the wAy I read ur article briefly. U made very good points. I want to start by saying that Every Christian (and indeed religious person) has moments of doubts or drifting. Its typical. Especially if u have a rationalist view of the world. But the bible explains a lot which you can't find else where and this is why billions feel drawn to Christianity. I respect Christ's teachings too much to doubt it. His moral stance and teachings 2000yrs ago was too radical and refreshing even anachronistic for his time and location. It was full of wisdom and definitely divine. U mentioned some very pertinent issues with Christianity today. But u seem to focus on Christianity as it is practiced in Nigeria. A lot of nigerians practically worship their pastors. I regularly criticize worldly pastors and priests..I don't want to call names but u know them okotie, oyakilomie, oriestifor etc There is no place the bible says we should take our pastors as gods. But u see nigerians dressed as paupers while their pastors use their tithes for private jets, fancy cars, and mansions. However, this should not make a Christian lose faith, it should make him change church. Tithing is another hotbutton issue. I prefer goin to homes for the old, orphans and destitutes to make donations. I actually prefer this rather than making large donations in church. Anybody who feels tithes is making him lose faith has much to learn about the new testament. Christ preached giving charity and not paying tithes. U mentioned about Christians bad mouthing other faiths. This is simply not true. We Christians believe Christ is The way, truth and life. We can't also believe that Islam Hindu etc are true. Its contradictory. Some of us Christians also like to discuss the threat posed by Islam. Yes we do because no other idealogy has killed Christians like that professed by muslims. Radical Muslims who believe literally all the teaching of mohammed kill or subjugate Christians. Is it okay if we keep quiet and let it happen. ISIS kills our brothers, is it bad mouthing when we show the verses in the quran which ISIS use to justify their killings. Finally u mentioned something about evolution. Evolution is a theory and not a fact. The genesis narrative is allegorical and can't be proven as fact. Nobody can prove the world was created in 6days. And no one can prove humans are spurned because marine creatures became monkies then later homo erectus evolved from monkeys. The simple answer is that there is no conclusive fact for how creation happened. Nobody can even explain why the universe came to be nor substance of time and space. So anyone can believe what suits them. This shouldn't make anyone lose faith as u suggest. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by CoolUsername: 12:01pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Christians say, "oh look! The Koran has a flying horse in it! I smell bullsh!t." It's like they're forgetting that a flying chariot took Elijah to heaven. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by Nobody: 2:16pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Hello to all, Religion and spirituality are not one and the same thing. Religion is not synonymous to true worship and service of GOD. Religion (at its best) could/can be/have been useful, if it focused on opening one's Heart to GOD. But the general tendency of religious groups, is to shout to one another, and give Humanity one (more) reason to be divided. This Trend is once again displayed in this Thread. Why try to convince someone of the (lack) of relevance of his Belief? People should be allowed to follow their Heart, For GOD has placed in each one of us a spiritual tool, an antennae to recognize his Will and follow his path. IDo we truly believe that insults, attacks, ad hominem and disdain in the name of the Bible/Koran, are approved by GOD? Please, let us be pure in heart and tolerant to each other. Let everyone be allowed to follow any System he sincerly believes in. Very soon out of experience he shall know whether He is truly serving God or not. If then He realises he was wrong all along, He'll have only 2 options: Either to seek to the real Truth, or continue in falsehood/pretenting to serve God. Greetings to all. LoJ |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by vooks: 3:55pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
ValentineMary:Can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it is true. Can you prove that there is no a ten legged sub species of a buffalo? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by parisbookaddict(f): 5:21pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
vooks: Very clever. I wonder if he will ask u if unicorns do not exist. |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by frank317: 6:37pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
vooks: Nice one vooks, how ever, I wish you can understand when most religious folks as...can you prove God does not exist? When it comes to your own belief... U guys quickly throw ur brains away. (Meanwhile, my apologies if you have never asked such question) |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by vooks: 6:45pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
frank317: It is a fact you can't prove that God doesn't exist, but this is no proof for existence of God. Why this argument is employed by those who believe in God is because those who don't categorically CLAIM God does not exist. So it is actually a demand in them to substantiate their claims. At this point, they back down and actually claim there is no proof for God's existence. The theists will respond by asking what proof would suffice for them and so forth..... So you can see this is not really proving a negative but really demanding evidence for a claim. But I repeat, it is no proof for existence of God |
Re: Why Nairalanders Lose Faith On The Religion Section Easily by vooks: 7:00pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
ValentineMary: When dealing with 'evidence' of evolution, I usually ask for a definition of terms just to make sure we are on the same page. The reason is evolutionists are notorious for bait-and-switch tactics of switching meaning of terms into their arguments to confuse you. For instance, in one short paragraph you have defined evolution as adaptation and 'modification of cells' Briefly define what evolution is and then give your BEST proof for it. Only then can we examine your 'proof' |
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