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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by tartar9(m): 7:57pm On Dec 31, 2015
Annunaki:


Muslims have been responsible as a group for most of the wars, atrocities and terror attacks in history.
no need arguing with you.you yourself know you're not correct sad
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by basilico: 8:32pm On Dec 31, 2015
Muslim only invention is the suicide bomb.
Nothing else.. Even they hire the Dutch to drain and sandfill the fancy islands which celebs buy condos for holiday homes.
Islam is a scourge

Watch this video. Muslims hiring out palm island sandfill to the Dutch. They can't do it themselves as they are too brainwashed to believe that earth is flat for instance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BXGh0EYJtE

Watch this video of a Saudi cleric claiming the earth is flat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ



This Egyptian Al Azhar, a cleric , the highest degree of Islamic learning proclaiming that the earth is flat
http://criticalmuslim.com/issues/01-arabs-are-alive/top-ten-towering-fatwas

It's in their books Earth is flat.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Annunaki(m): 8:32pm On Dec 31, 2015
tartar9:

no need arguing with you.you yourself know you're not correct sad

How can I possibly be wrong Do you know how many islam inspired terror attacks/violence that occurs on aa daily basis for the last 1,400 years? No other institution comes close to islam when it comes to violence as far as world history is concerned.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Demmzy15(m): 9:47pm On Dec 31, 2015
Annunaki:


[s]Nonsense al taquiya thread. 90% of what you attributed to muslims abovve had nothing to do with islam or even Arabs and it's also very dishonest of muslims to attribute every arab achievement or invention to islam. I wonder what you will say if christians start attributing all western achievements to christianity Insecure bunch of clowns always twisting facts to get credibility for their fake religion.[/s]
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Nobody: 11:29pm On Dec 31, 2015
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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by tartar9(m): 9:23am On Jan 01, 2016
Annunaki:


How can I possibly be wrong Do you know how many islam inspired terror attacks/violence that occurs on aa daily basis for the last 1,400 years? No other institution comes close to islam when it comes to violence as far as world history is concerned.
please tell me and I'll only have to compare it to the 300million who died last century mostly on the hands of non-muslims.and even a child knows terrorism gained prominence the beginning of this century.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Annunaki(m): 9:36am On Jan 01, 2016
tartar9:

please tell me and I'll only have to compare it to the 300million who died last century mostly on the hands of non-muslims.and even a child knows terrorism gained prominence the beginning of this century.

And these non muslims, were they fighting to impose their religion on others or were they fighting for political reasons Or did even this 'non muslims' operate as a group or based on any ideology Islam remains the single most destructive ideology in the history of mankind and no matter how many lies you tell to try and obfuscate the matter the truth can never be hidden.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by tartar9(m): 10:11am On Jan 01, 2016
Annunaki:


And these non muslims, were they fighting to impose their religion on others or were they fighting for political reasons Or did even this 'non muslims' operate as a group or based on any ideology Islam remains the single most destructive ideology in the history of mankind and no matter how many lies you tell to try and obfuscate the matter the truth can never be hidden.
you just couldnt show me.you were blaming the Muslims before now but you know you're obviously wrong so you've singled it down to killings based on religion which again you fail at because your religion has its much violent history.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Annunaki(m): 10:32am On Jan 01, 2016
tartar9:

you just couldnt show me.you were blaming the Muslims before now but you know you're obviously wrong so you've singled it down to killings based on religion which again you fail at because your religion has its much violent history.

This boy is so daft Have you taken your camel piss medication for your depression today?
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Nobody: 11:41am On Jan 01, 2016
tartar9:

you haven't said anything reasonably,who have been responsible for most of the wars and atrocities ever committed?
answer the simple question or be quiet!

Muslims. smiley

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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Nobody: 11:49am On Jan 01, 2016
Let's watch different series from Walid Shoebat, an ex muslim Jihadist and what he has to say about you muslims.

Walid is now a Christian and speaks the word of God in one of the apostolic churches now, somewhere in bethlehem(i think)

Watch and Learn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrUW4N0z9w
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Zodiac61(m): 12:24pm On Jan 01, 2016
Why not do better than the OP and imagine a world without religion?
No wars in the name for God.
No beheadings of Shia Muslims by Whahabis in the name of God.
No ban on contraception by the Catholic Church in the name of God.
No fatwas from near illiterate imams in the name of God.
No bombing of family planning clinics in the name of God.
No denying the rights of women in the name of God.
No slavery in the name of God.
No conmen pastors and imams in the name of God.
No hatred of homosexuals in the name for God.
No festering ignorance in the name of God.
No scientific stagnation in the name of God.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Zodiac61(m): 12:28pm On Jan 01, 2016
gimakon:

Let's watch different series from Walid Shoebat, an ex muslim Jihadist and what he has to say about you muslims.
Walid is now a Christian and speaks the word of God in one of the apostolic churches now, somewhere in bethlehem(i think)
Watch and Learn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrUW4N0z9w

You put forward Walid Shoebat as a person to listen to?
A man who is known to have lied about his credentials.
A man who has no integrity whatsoever.
I know that it is difficult for Christians to find role models, but this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Nobody: 12:34pm On Jan 01, 2016
Zodiac61:


You put forward Walid Shoebat as a person to listen to?
A man who is known to have lied about his credentials.
A man who has no integrity whatsoever.
I know that it is difficult for Christians to find role models, but this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I never know about lies Shoebat told, let's see the link pls paste I'd like to read..
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Annunaki(m): 1:36pm On Jan 01, 2016
gimakon:

Let's watch different series from Walid Shoebat, an ex muslim Jihadist and what he has to say about you muslims.

Walid is now a Christian and speaks the word of God in one of the apostolic churches now, somewhere in bethlehem(i think)

Watch and Learn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrUW4N0z9w

Walid Shoebat my hero and role model. cheesy
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by analice107: 4:08pm On Jan 01, 2016
Guys, guys, guys. Muhammed the very first Muslim tried.

He was the first to thigh a 6years old girl.

He gave the world the consciousness that men can indeed straff 9yr old children.

He was the first to behead a man in front of his wife, take the woman home as a sex slave and make love to her that very day.

He was the first to die on attention.

Islam gave the world, videos of beheadings. Is that not achievements, enough?

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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Demmzy15(m): 4:33pm On Jan 01, 2016
Avoidhellfire:
Please read before commenting.

Yes, lets imagine a world WITHOUT MUSLIMS, shall we?

Without Muslims you wouldn’t have:

Coffee YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Cameras YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Experimental Physics YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Chess YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Soap YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Shampoo YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Perfume/spirits YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Irrigation YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Crank-shaft, internal combustion engine, valves, pistons YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Combination locks YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Architectural innovation (pointed arch -European Gothic cathedrals adopted this technique as it made the building much stronger, rose windows, dome buildings, round towers, etc.)YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Surgical instruments YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Anesthesia YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Windmill YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Treatment of Cowpox YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Fountain pen YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Numbering system YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Algebra/Trigonometry YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Modern Cryptology YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
3 course meal (soup, meat/fish, fruit/nuts) YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Crystal glasses YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Carpets YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Checks YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Gardens used for beauty and meditation instead of for herbs and kitchen. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
University YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Optics YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Music YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Toothbrush YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Hospitals YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Bathing YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Quilting YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Mariner’s Compass YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Soft drinks YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Pendulum YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Braille YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Cosmetics YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Plastic surgery YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Calligraphy YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Manufacturing of paper and cloth YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
It was a Muslim who realized that light ENTERS our eyes, unlike the Greeks who thought we EMITTED rays, and so invented a camera from this discovery. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was a Muslim who first tried to FLY in 852, even though it is the Wright Brothers who have taken the credit. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was a Muslim by the name of Jabir ibn Hayyan who was known as the founder of modern Chemistry. He transformed alchemy into chemistry. He invented: distillation, purification, oxidation, evaporation, and filtration. He also discovered sulfuric and nitric acid. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It is a Muslim, by the name of Al-Jazari who is known as the father of robotics. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was a Muslim who was the architect for Henry V’s castle. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was a Muslim who invented hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes, a technique still used today. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was a Muslim who actually discovered inoculation, not Jenner and Pasteur to treat cowpox. The West just brought it over from Turkey YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was Muslims who contributed much to mathematics like Algebra and Trigonometry, which was imported over to Europe 300 years later to Fibonnaci and the rest. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

It was Muslims who discovered that the Earth was round 500 years before Galileo did. YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT

The list goes on………..YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT IT WAS A MUSLIM THAT INVENTED IT
Please explain this post, make it clearer!

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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Ovacoma: 5:02pm On Jan 01, 2016
Demmzy15:
Please explain this post, make it clearer!
it probably means the op cannot provide evidence that Muslims invented any of the things listed in the topic. For instance, the op says Muslims first flew the first airplane or so. Where is the evidence such as the plane relics, the eye witness accounts, drawings, equipments, etc, as we see those of wright brothers?
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by true2god: 5:15pm On Jan 01, 2016
Demmzy15:
Please explain this post, make it clearer!
The topic is misleading, it should have been titled: Imagine A World Without the Arabs! This is because islam is a religious ideology while Arab is a race. What we have are German cars (not christian cars), Japaneses cars (not shinto cars). But if saudi arabia manufacture car tomorrow they will call it 'Islamic invention' instead of saudi or Arab invention.

So associating inventions with religion (which muslims always do) is the greatest height of stupidity. And muslims seems to have inferiority complex knowing fully well that most muslim countries are backward technologically hence very poor. Over 90% of infrastructure in saudi arabia is built by the technical know-how of non-muslims. All their transsport system, telecom systems, avianics, dams, petroleum industries etc are handled and managed by the western powers. Most arabs, aside from cramming the quran, have nothing in their brain (sorry that im being truthful but harsh).

So the only way for them to boost their ego is for them to lie to themselves (in their mosque) that they invented everything. The arabs invented nothing, there is no single archaelogical proove that the arabs were once a great empire. Old great empire are the Babylonians (present day iraq) the Egyptians, the Persian (Iran), the Assyrian (small part of syria), and the great roman empire.

The muslim-arab came, not with new knowledege or civilization, but with a new religion whose modus operandi is conquering the world with sword, subjugating cultures, and committing genocide, taking and sharing war booty, sex slave against whoever resist their invasions. And these evils are recorded in the quran and the hadith and the sunnahh of the islamic prophet.

This islamic invasion was haulted, only after the world started waking up to the ugly realities that the arabs are conquering all empires using islam as a motivating factor hence was beaten back from europe and india.

Muslims\arabs should stop fooling themselves, they are the most backward and least developed people on earth.

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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by kyru: 10:07pm On Jan 01, 2016
A WORLD WITHOUT CHRISTIANS

fools the kkk(ku klus klan) is a terroist group that is of christian origin and have killed more black people, jewish people, muslims and gays than isis or alkahida yet the people who tell you about isis won't capture them by the way the ku klus klan are based in the usa further more isis was created by the cia to combat the russians after the invaded afghanistan isis didnt attack them alkahida didnt attack them these jihadists you so happily call muslims didn't attack first the attacked who ever attacked them

the only reason they attack now is because america double crossed them and attacked them
then britain and the rest of the allied nations joined in and you didn't know american soldiers raped women in afghanistan

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881 i beg go and read and educate yourself
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by kyru: 10:10pm On Jan 01, 2016
A WORLD WITHOUT CHRISTIANS
the american christian who went into a black church and shot seven people who were praying...
oh christianity is soooo peaceful
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by kyru: 10:15pm On Jan 01, 2016
A WORLD WITHOUT CHRISTIANS

oh what will we do without pastor Chidioke who made the church of Breast and Honey Harvest Church International.
this pastor tells women to come to his church without bras and their husbands so he could suck out the spirit of rejection from her breast so she can be delivered of the spirit of rejection.

http://africanspotlight.com/2015/10/30/nigerian-pastor-in-kenya-sucks-womens-breasts-in-church-audio/

grin wink
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by kyru: 10:17pm On Jan 01, 2016
A WORLD WITHOUT CHRISTIANS

would be a world where little children are safe to run around and not worrying about child molesting priests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by kyru: 10:20pm On Jan 01, 2016
A WORLD WITHOUT CHRISTIANS

Lately, I've been exposed to alot of criticism directed at Christians and Christianity. "Look at all the suffering and misery that Christians have imposed on the world for the last 2,000 years! The world would be much better off if Jesus of Nazareth had never been born!"

I am the first to agree with the criticism that Christians have done alot of terrible things: Inquisitions, pogroms, the subjugation of women, slavery, the persecution of gays. Christians have a lot to be ashamed of. But are these misdeeds and crimes the fault of the Christian belief system, or is it the fault of human beings who did not live up to the example of their leader? And...what would the world be like today if Christianity had never existed? Would we live today in an egalitarian, humanist utopia?

The World of the Roman Empire

Slavery

Half of the population of the Roman Empire in the first century AD were slaves. Slaves, in both Greek and Roman culture, had the same value as livestock. Aristotle described a slave as "a living tool, just as a tool is an inanimate slave". Romans looked on slaves with contempt.

Christians taught that slaves have the same value to God as a free man. A rich, Christian free-man would share the Communion Table with a poor, Christian slave. Christians introduced a concept of equality not based on wealth, might, or class. Without Christianity, would this concept have ever developed? If we believe the evolutionists, humans have lived on earth for a very, very long time. Prior to Christianity, were there cultures during this long period of time that taught equality and pacifism: "love your enemy" and "turn the other cheek"?

Although true that Christians participated in the slave trade, and that the slave owners in the South were overwhelmingly Christian, it was devout Christians in both Britain and the United States that ended this horrible practice, which was thousands of years old, not a creation of Christianity.

Womens' Rights

During the first century AD women had few rights in the Roman Empire. Women in Athens had the social status of a slave. Roman women had more freedom, but none of the rights of a male citizen. Jewish women were not allowed to speak in public.

Christian women were a force in the growth of the Faith. They were evangelists and worked with men in the churches. Although not allowed to be priests/pastors, and later, not allowed to speak in the churches, there status in the Church was much higher than women in Roman and Greek society.

In the fourth century, shortly after Christianity was legalized, the Roman emperor abolished a law that had been on the law books of Rome for 1,000 years, the Patria Potestas. Under this law, a husband had the power of life and death over his wife and children. Due to Christianity, the women of the Roman world could rightly have said, "Due to the Christians, we've come a long way, baby!" Of course, women had a long way yet to go to achieve full equality, but women were much better off with Christianity than without it.

Christian teaching benefited women in other ways. Roman women did not have the freedom to choose their husbands. Christian women did. Roman girls were frequently married off as young as 11 or 12, Christian women married later.

Although the Christian teaching against homosexual activity was discriminatory for homosexuals, it, along with the Christian prohibition on polygamy and adultery, provided greater stability, physical protection, and reduced health risks for women and their children, compared to their pagan counterparts. The Christian teaching against drunkenness and the admonition to treat your wife as Christ treats his bride would have been a marked difference from the manner in which wives were treated by their pagan Roman husbands, who had the right to beat and even kill them, just as they did their livestock.

Social Welfare

Compassion for the less fortunate was not a prominent teaching in Roman or Greek culture. In fact, it was rare. There was no such thing as a public hospital. During plagues, historical accounts tell of the dead and dying being thrown along the sides of the public roads, and left unburied. It was the Christians who came out of hiding to help the sick and dying, often being persecuted, and sometimes killed by officials for doing so.

After the legalization of Christianity, Christians established public hospitals and hospices. The Christian philosophy of helping those in need was a shocking contrast to the treatment of the sick, poor, and disabled in the cultures of the time, and of the cultures that came before.

Conclusion

We live in a world where Christianity is seen as a great oppressor, and even a great evil. Many people in our modern culture believe that the world would be better off without Christianity. They encourage people to follow humanist principles instead. But would Humanism even exist today without Christianity? I doubt it. Humans learned compassion and giving from the religion begun by a poor, illiterate Galilean peasant 2000 years ago. Without him, I believe that we would live in a brutal world, where each man looks out for his own interest, where women are treated as weaker, inferior sex objects and possessions, and children grow up in homes with little stability or safety.

Yes, Christians have done alot of bad. But overall, I believe that Christianity has done alot of good. It has contributed to huge humanitarian advances in law, government, medical care, and social welfare. And these are only the physical, non-spiritual, benefits of the Christian Faith.

So imagine a world without Christianity? I have...and it makes me shudder!
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Nobody: 10:31pm On Jan 01, 2016
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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Ovacoma: 10:34pm On Jan 01, 2016
Jesus Christ is the reason the world exists. 'All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made'... John chapter one, verses one to five.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by kyru: 10:37pm On Jan 01, 2016
Ovacoma:
Jesus Christ is the reason the world exists. 'All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made'... John chapter one, verses one to five.
so is jesus god then shocked
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Ovacoma: 10:31am On Jan 02, 2016
kyru:
so is jesus god then shocked
Yes, yes, and yes!
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Demmzy15(m): 5:00pm On Jan 02, 2016
Ovacoma:

it probably means the op cannot provide evidence that Muslims invented any of the things listed in the topic. For instance, the op says Muslims first flew the first airplane or so. Where is the evidence such as the plane relics, the eye witness accounts, drawings, equipments, etc, as we see those of wright brothers?
The first man that flew hundreds of years before the Wright brothers was Abbas Firnas, you can read about him. Some of what the op stated aren't all true but most are.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by yvesboss(m): 6:20pm On Jan 02, 2016
I dont get the reason for this thread but as an input...it seems people tend to forget that before religion, we were first humans...so i dont get how the presence and absence of a religion directly translates into all those points.

God is who we serve not religious leaders...lets be mindful of that.
Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Annunaki(m): 6:20pm On Jan 02, 2016
Demmzy15:
The first man that flew hundreds of years before the Wright brothers was Abbas Firnas, you can read about him. Some of what the op stated aren't all true but most are.

Sharrap Enoch and elijah flew thousands of years before that. tongue

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Re: Imagine A World Without Muslims! by Ovacoma: 6:31pm On Jan 02, 2016
Demmzy15:
The first man that flew hundreds of years before the Wright brothers was Abbas Firnas, you can read about him. Some of what the op stated aren't all true but most are.
No evidence yet. Put the pictures of d airplane relics here for all to see. Anyone can claim to first fly. Y does d op have to add lies to d list? To me, its all lies since we know the real inventors of all these scientific inventions. Or, its a miracle like the quran?

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