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Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 11:45am On Jan 01, 2016
Catholicism is one of many doctrines in christianity. It over-emphasizes the role Mary played in the salvation of mankind. Followers of catholicism simply use their heads as ReadOnlyMemories, not as CentralProcessingUnits. They don't process teachings from the catholic leaderships, they accept teachings without logical appraisal.

Why wld a mother be honoured, but not the father equally? They argue, without Mary there wld be no Jesus. I argue, without Joseph there wld be no both. She wld have been stoned to death for an unexplainable pregnancy, which wld have been misconstrued as a product of cheat. Joseph being a just man, accepted what he didn't sow. Isn't that worthier of honour?

Why wasn't there a female disciple among the twelve? Becos the roles of women were restricted to childbearing, and the kitchen, at least in those days.

Why was Mary addressed by Jesus as 'woman', not as 'mother'? Becos she was a vessel. Her son acknowledged that fact. She was equivalent to modern day surrogate mother. For christ to have been born sinless and pure, his conception was independent of ovarian contribution. Meaning Christ wasn't conceived from her ovum(egg). If he had a genetic make-up, they wld have been genetically different.

The catholics claim they don't worship mary, they honour her. But I wonder why her statue is prominent. I attended a christmas mass last year in a catholic church close to me. I actually followed my patron there. Right on the pulpit were two statues, that of Jesus and Mary. The statue of Jesus was positioned to the extreme right, close to the wall, while that of Mary was positioned at the centre, close to the pulpit stand. I saw followers come inside the church, sub-knelt and bowed b4 the pulpit, in d direction of the centre statue. I smiled and exclaimed.... Expand their minds o lord.

Well, christianity is christ-made. Doctrines are man-made. The savior has told us what to do to make the kingdom, and I can't remember he telling us to honour Mary, who never died as a virgin, cos she gave birth afterwards.


I pray you all expand your minds this new year, IJN! Happy new year

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Nobody: 11:50am On Jan 01, 2016
I support u in this.
I've always seen catholic as the opposite of real christianity due to the way they do their things.

my opinion tho smiley
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by gimakon(m): 11:52am On Jan 01, 2016
EroticAngelina:
I support u in this.
I've always seen catholic as the opposite of real christianity due to the way they do their things.

my opinion tho smiley

You of which branch of Christianity? Or u muslim?
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Nobody: 11:54am On Jan 01, 2016
gimakon:

You of which branch of Christianity? Or u muslim?
Pentecost
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by gimakon(m): 11:55am On Jan 01, 2016
EroticAngelina:


Pentecost

Oh ok.
I'm Anglican. Tho I don't completely agree with you tho.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Nobody: 11:59am On Jan 01, 2016
gimakon:

Oh ok. I'm Anglican. Tho I don't completely agree with you tho.
its cool smiley
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by dopeJemi: 12:04pm On Jan 01, 2016
No truer words have ever been spoken, I had this argument with a friend and he was so sure of what he was saying, I just left him to his faith
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Sanmel(f): 12:13pm On Jan 01, 2016
Mtcheeew...

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by jmichlins(m): 12:20pm On Jan 01, 2016
Mary was no ordinary woman if not your mum would have being choosen. That being said, no sane person will regard his mother as a vessel that should be cast away because his mission is accomplished. That statue you see there was not what people geneflect but the eucharist which has being concentrated

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Sanmel(f): 12:30pm On Jan 01, 2016
jmichlins:
Mary was no ordinary woman if not your mum would have being choosen. That being said, no sane person will regard his mother as a vessel that should be cast away because his mission is accomplished. That statue you see there was not what people geneflect but the eucharist which has being concentrated
Don't mind them.. Let them keep displaying their ignorance everywhere

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by jmichlins(m): 12:34pm On Jan 01, 2016
Sanmel:
Don't mind them.. Let them keep displaying their ignorance everywhere
the thing is that i do not reply such posts but just did a promo for them
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 12:39pm On Jan 01, 2016
jmichlins:
Mary was no ordinary woman if not your mum would have being choosen. That being said, no sane person will regard his mother as a vessel that should be cast away because his mission is accomplished. That statue you see there was not what people geneflect but the eucharist which has being concentrated

If my mum was born in her time, perhaps the angels wld have tossed a coin to choose who was going to conceive the savior to life.

No sane person wld disregard the reason why a son wld address his mother as 'woman'. Did the word 'mother' skip from his memory at that point he wanted to address her? Or was she wearing a mask that the son didn't recognize her as his mother?

ROM boy, u need to upgrade ur mind. When u give birth to a son, hand him over to a budhist for upbringing. When he grows up, go and tell him christianity is the true religion and see if he wld agree with u.

The point is, people follow what they are taught, what they are brought up with. My point is, people shld start thinking, rather than allow their leaders think for them.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 12:50pm On Jan 01, 2016
Sanmel:
Don't mind them.. Let them keep displaying their ignorance everywhere

Swthrt, the truth hurts I knw.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by jmichlins(m): 12:59pm On Jan 01, 2016
matrix199:


If my mum was born in her time, perhaps the angels wld have tossed a coin to choose who was going to conceive the savior to life.

No sane person wld disregard the reason why a son wld address his mother as 'woman'. Did the word 'mother' skip from his memory at that point he wanted to address her? Or was she wearing a mask that the son didn't recognize her as his mother?

ROM boy, u need to upgrade ur mind. When u give birth to a son, hand him over to a budhist for upbringing. When he grows up, go and tell him christianity is the true religion and see if he wld agree with u.

The point is, people follow what they are taught, what they are brought up with. My point is, people shld start thinking, rather than allow their leaders think for them.
read history and realize what women meant those days. The thing is that you guys think mary was just a folk. God in his infinite wisdom choose mary and not any angel and my God knows the future from the past

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Geist(m): 1:36pm On Jan 01, 2016
matrix199:
Catholicism is one of many doctrines in christianity. It over-emphasizes the role Mary played in the salvation of mankind.
Catholics don't over emphasize the role Mary played in the salvation of mankind, rather it is your likes who try to downplay her role in bringing salvation to mankind.
Followers of catholicism simply use their heads as ReadOnlyMemories, not as CentralProcessingUnits. They don't process teachings from the catholic leaderships, they accept teachings without logical appraisal.
If you knew anything about ROMs and CPs, you would know that ROMs still need the CPs to write data into them and CPs only behave the way they programmed to. Ever heard of garbage in garbage out in computing?
Why wld a mother be honoured, but not the father equally?
Joseph is just as much honoured as Mary is in the Catholic church
They argue, without Mary there wld be no Jesus. I argue, without Joseph there wld be no both.
I don't think any right thinking christian would think in this manner. Both Mary and Joseph's existence depended on God not the other way round. God found both worthy of the role they played in bringing salvation to mankind. Just as it was prophesied that the messiah was to come from the line of david (i.e Joseph) so was it prophesied that the messiah was to be born by a virgin woman(i.e Mary) They were prepared for their role by God.
She wld have been stoned to death for an unexplainable pregnancy, which wld have been misconstrued as a product of cheat.
Nothing happens outside the will of the father. It was thr will of God that Joseph accepts the unborn baby and that Mary should not be stoned to death and so it happened.
Joseph being a just man, accepted what he didn't sow. Isn't that worthier of honour?[quote] Is accepting a pregnancy you are not responsible for worthy of honour? Perhaps, but more worthy than accepting to carry baby Jesus as Mary did? I don't think so. Many men have accepted responsibility for children they are not biologically related to.In fact what is worthy of honour is the fact that God found both worthy of the role they played.[quote]Why wasn't there a female disciple among the twelve? Becos the roles of women were restricted to childbearing, and the kitchen, at least in those days.
If only you knew the role the likes of Esther played.
Why was Mary addressed by Jesus as 'woman', not as 'mother'? Becos she was a vessel. Her son acknowledged that fact. She was equivalent to modern day surrogate mother.
So inoder words Christ never really accepted Mary as his mother. He never called her mother but his very own beloved apostles called her his mother even though Christ won't. Its ok oh. And Christ even went further in John 19:26-27 to hand over the mother he won't accept to be the mother of someone else. Continue.
For christ to have been born sinless and pure, his conception was independent of ovarian contribution. Meaning Christ wasn't conceived from her ovum(egg). If he had a genetic make-up, they wld have been genetically different.
You could have gone ahead and claim to be the surgeon who performed the miracle without an ovary.
The catholics claim they don't worship mary, they honour her. But I wonder why her statue is prominent. I attended a christmas mass last year in a catholic church close to me. I actually followed my patron there. Right on the pulpit were two statues, that of Jesus and Mary. The statue of Jesus was positioned to the extreme right, close to the wall, while that of Mary was positioned at the centre, close to the pulpit stand. I saw followers come inside the church, sub-knelt and bowed b4 the pulpit, in d direction of the centre statue. I smiled and exclaimed.... Expand their minds o lord.

Well, christianity is christ-made. Doctrines are man-made. The savior has told us what to do to make the kingdom, and I can't remember he telling us to honour Mary, who never died as a virgin, cos she gave birth afterwards.


I pray you all expand your minds this new year, IJN! Happy new year
Is it wrong to have paintings of those you honour? Is it only does you worship you make statue of? Because even here in Nigeria we still make statues and paintings of past politicians and no one is complaining not even you.

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Sanmel(f): 1:40pm On Jan 01, 2016
matrix199:


Swthrt, the truth hurts I knw.
You know nothing about the truth in this case..

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Nobody: 1:40pm On Jan 01, 2016
the worse part is the very begining of all dis mary "honour"...a supposed spirit appeared to 3 kids smewer...
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Pavore9: 2:01pm On Jan 01, 2016
We should live by the reality that everyone would never live by our faith and as long as the next man's faith is not a hindrance to my personal relationship with God nor a threat to my temporal wellbeing, why then should the demomination be an issue?

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by analice107: 3:15pm On Jan 01, 2016
[quote author=Geist post=41547945] Catholics don't over emphasize the role Mary played in the salvation of mankind, rather it is your likes who try to downplay her role in bringing salvation to mankind. If you knew anything about ROMs and CPs, you would know that ROMs still need the CPs to write data into them and CPs only behave the way they programmed to. Ever heard of garbage in garbage out in computing?Joseph is just as much honoured as Mary is in the Catholic church I don't think any right thinking christian would think in this manner. Both Mary and Joseph's existence depended on God not the other way round. God found both worthy of the role they played in bringing salvation to mankind. Just as it was prophesied that the messiah was to come from the line of david (i.e Joseph) so was it prophesied that the messiah was to be born by a virgin woman(i.e Mary) They were prepared for their role by God. Nothing happens outside the will of the father. It was thr will of God that Joseph accepts the unborn baby and that Mary should not be stoned to death and so it happened. [/quote

It is that you don't know this scripture, or you have just made up your mind not to obey them?

Deut 4:2. YOU SHALL NOT ADD unto the Word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish out from it. Catholicism is full of additions into Christianity.
Deut 4: 5-19

Take heed therefore to yourself, for you saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spoke unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire.
Lest ye corrupt yourself, and MAKE YOU ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, the form of ANY figure, this it likeness of MALE OR FEMALE.
the likeness of any beast the is in the earth, the likeness of any winged feel that flieth in the air...

Thou shall not make any graven image for what ever reason...
I have said it, and I will keep saying it. Catholicism is not Christianity.

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Geist(m): 3:50pm On Jan 01, 2016
analice107:

It is that you don't know this scripture, or you have just made up your mind not to obey them?

Deut 4:2. YOU SHALL NOT ADD unto the Word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish out from it. Catholicism is full of additions into Christianity.
Deut 4: 5-19

Take heed therefore to yourself, for you saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spoke unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire.
Lest ye corrupt yourself, and MAKE YOU ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, the form of ANY figure, this it likeness of MALE OR FEMALE.
the likeness of any beast the is in the earth, the likeness of any winged feel that flieth in the air...

Thou shall not make any graven image for what ever reason...
I have said it, and I will keep saying it. Catholicism is not Christianity.
so instead of tackling the points I raised you decided to quote me with scriptures you quoted out of context. Oya tell me when or where I have added to the word of God. Have you ever made for yourself an image of something in heaven or on earth? When artists paint and carve objects, are they not making for themselves an image? Even when you take pictures of yourself aren't you making for yourself an image of yourself?
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Raphael81(m): 7:46pm On Jan 01, 2016
[quote author=analice107 post=41550648][/quote]


so tell us ur own christianity madam you are among those that deceive ur gullible friends without the crusades will u have christianity smh go back to history
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Raphael81(m): 7:49pm On Jan 01, 2016
EroticAngelina:
I support u in this.
I've always seen catholic as the opposite of real christianity due to the way they do their things.

my opinion tho smiley
so were is the source of ur pentecostalism
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Sanmel(f): 10:01pm On Jan 01, 2016
[quote author=analice107 post=41550648][/quote]I would like you to read the book "ROME SWEET HOME".

Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 10:26pm On Jan 01, 2016
Geist:
Catholics don't over emphasize the role Mary played in the salvation of mankind, rather it is your likes who try to downplay her role in bringing salvation to mankind. If you knew anything about ROMs and CPs, you would know that ROMs still need the CPs to write data into them and CPs only behave the way they programmed to. Ever heard of garbage in garbage out in computing?Joseph is just as much honoured as Mary is in the Catholic church I don't think any right thinking christian would think in this manner. Both Mary and Joseph's existence depended on God not the other way round. God found both worthy of the role they played in bringing salvation to mankind. Just as it was prophesied that the messiah was to come from the line of david (i.e Joseph) so was it prophesied that the messiah was to be born by a virgin woman(i.e Mary) They were prepared for their role by God. Nothing happens outside the will of the father. It was thr will of God that Joseph accepts the unborn baby and that Mary should not be stoned to death and so it happened.

Young man u're missing the point.

Why honour mary and not honour Joseph equally? Wasn't he also chosen to play a vital role in the salvation of mankind?

Why honour mary and not John, the greatest prophet who prepared the way for christ?

Why honour Mary and not Isaiah, who prophesized the coming of the christ?

Why not Moses who saw God?

Why not David, a man after God's heart?

Why not Samson, the strongest man that ever lived?

Why not Solomon, the wisest king?

Why not Abraham, the father of many nations?

You didn't deem it fit to honour great men who showed the gentiles the might of the God of Isreal, who parted the sea, killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass, who built an edifice to God, but had to honour a vessel, who was chosen becos of her purity, but had no book in her honour.

I saw the statue of Mary placed at the centre of the pulpit, while that of the messiah was placed at the extreme end, and your folks walked in, took a bow at the centre statue. Even if I was dumb, I'd stil tel such practice is wrong.

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 12:08am On Jan 02, 2016
Geist:
so instead of tackling the points I raised you decided to quote me with scriptures you quoted out of context. Oya tell me when or where I have added to the word of God. Have you ever made for yourself an image of something in heaven or on earth? When artists paint and carve objects, are they not making for themselves an image? Even when you take pictures of yourself aren't you making for yourself an image of yourself?

Don't you knw the meaning of 'GRAVEN'? Go and find out.

Like analice quoted from Deu 4:2,5-9, God commanded that no carved image should be made. The catholic did not only carve the image of a woman, they made a shrine for it. You say you appreciate her, u honour her, you hail her, by what? By bowing your heads and kneeling b4 statues with prayers in your mouth right? If that's not worship, you have to tell me what that is then!

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Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Geist(m): 12:14am On Jan 02, 2016
matrix199:


Young man u're missing the point.

Why honour mary and not honour Joseph equally? Wasn't he also chosen to play a vital role in the salvation of mankind?

Why honour mary and not John, the greatest prophet who prepared the way for christ?

Why honour Mary and not Isaiah, who prophesized the coming of the christ?

Why not Moses who saw God?

Why not David, a man after God's heart?

Why not Samson, the strongest man that ever lived?

Why not Solomon, the wisest king?

Why not Abraham, the father of many nations?

You didn't deem it fit to honour great men who showed the gentiles the might of the God of Isreal, who parted the sea, killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass, who built an edifice to God, but had to honour a vessel, who was chosen becos of her purity, but had no book in her honour.
Ok I will mention it again for the last time that Catholics honour all the above men but as great as their deeds were, non compares to been fit and worthy of Gods favour to conceive our Lord both flesh and devinity.
I saw the statue of Mary placed at the centre of the pulpit, while that of the messiah was placed at the extreme end, and your folks walked in, took a bow at the centre statue. Even if I was dumb, I'd stil tel such practice is wrong.
Now this is just pure lie. A simple google search of "catholic alter" will show you how catholic alters are arranged around the world. The tabernacle where the Holy Eucharist is kept is always at the center and the crucifix of our Lord Jesus Christ directly above the tabernacle. In fact it is Mary statue that is placed to the right if at all it is present(though I realize many catholic have the statue of Mary on the alter if not all)

Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Geist(m): 12:30am On Jan 02, 2016
matrix199:


Don't you knw the meaning of 'GRAVEN'? Go and find out.
Hahaha, please tell us what GRAVEN mean oh and how does it prove any point.

Like analice quoted from Deu 4:2,5-9, God commanded that no carved image should be made. The catholic did not only carve the image of a woman, they made a shrine for it. You say you appreciate her, u honour her, you hail her, by what? By bowing your heads and kneeling b4 statues with prayers in your mouth right? If that's not worship, you have to tell me what that is then!
again you are quoting the passage out of context. It didn't forbid the use of carved image because we know that the ark of the old covenant had a carved cherubim on it and it was used to worship God. Catholics don't worship statues neither do we worship Mary. We don't pray to statues but could pray to Mary because prayer is not for God alone but for all who are in communion with God.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 8:12am On Jan 02, 2016
Geist:
Catholics don't worship statues neither do we worship Mary.

Then what the heck is her sculpture doing on the pulpit, with you guys kneeling and bowing to her?

We don't pray to statues but could pray to mary because prayer is not for God alone but for all who are in communion with God

Prayer is not for God alone? This kind mindwashing wey dem wash una for catholic, if dem use am wash cloth wey engine oyel pour ontop, the stain go remove. How can u pray to a human? A dead human who didn't resurrect? Did Jesus tell you to pray to his mother? Did he tell you to pray to God thru his mother? Did he tell you to carve the sculpture of him, and his mother in adoration? That's pure idolatry!
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 8:33am On Jan 02, 2016
Geist:
Ok I will mention it again for the last time that Catholics honour all the above men but as great as their deeds were, non compares to been fit and worthy of Gods favour to conceive our Lord both flesh and devinity. Now this is just pure lie. A simple google search of "catholic alter" will show you how catholic alters are arranged around the world. The tabernacle where the Holy Eucharist is kept is always at the center and the crucifix of our Lord Jesus Christ directly above the tabernacle. In fact it is Mary statue that is placed to the right if at all it is present(though I realize many catholic have the statue of Mary on the alter if not all)

Lie? Nah! I didn't lie. Don't worry, I'll go with my camera on sunday and get u the proof.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Geist(m): 11:58am On Jan 02, 2016
matrix199:


Lie? Nah! I didn't lie. Don't worry, I'll go with my camera on sunday and get u the proof.
please do that.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by Geist(m): 12:18pm On Jan 02, 2016
matrix199:


Then what the heck is her sculpture doing on the pulpit, with you guys kneeling and bowing to her?
Again having ones statue does not amount to worship. Neither does bowing or kneeling. There are statues of past politicians, musicians, football icons littered around the world and no one is accusing the makers of idolatry. Military men spend hours on parade saluting their superior and no one is complaining. You bow and kneel before your parents and that does not amount to worship. Why is Mary's own different?

Prayer is not for God alone? This kind mindwashing wey dem wash una for catholic, if dem use am wash cloth wey engine oyel pour ontop, the stain go remove. How can u pray to a human? A dead human who didn't resurrect? Did Jesus tell you to pray to his mother? Did he tell you to pray to God thru his mother? Did he tell you to carve the sculpture of him, and his mother in adoration? That's pure idolatry!
Dead?? No one dies in Christ and remains dead. They rise with him. So Mary and all other saints who died in Christ are alive in him . So yes Mary and all other saints can be prayed to. Jesus didn't have to tell us to pray to them while he was on earth. For it was through his death and resurrection that these saints alive and able to hear our prayers.
Re: Catholicism: The Naivety And Gullibility Of Catholic Followers by matrix199(m): 2:22pm On Jan 02, 2016
Geist:
Again having ones statue does not amount to worship. Neither does bowing or kneeling. There are statues of past politicians, musicians, football icons littered around the world and no one is accusing the makers of idolatry. Military men spend hours on parade saluting their superior and no one is complaining. You bow and kneel before your parents and that does not amount to worship. Why is Mary's own different?
Dead?? No one dies in Christ and remains dead. They rise with him. So Mary and all other saints who died in Christ are alive in him . So yes Mary and all other saints can be prayed to. Jesus didn't have to tell us to pray to them while he was on earth. For it was through his death and resurrection that these saints are alive and able to hear our prayers.

Check the religion meaning of pray/prayer in the dictionary. It means communicate/communication with a deity. Only gods are prayed to. True prayers are made to God, thru christ alone. False prayers are made to gods. If u guys pray to mary, then you've made her a god.

God is the only supreme entity that hears and answers prayers. If God is the receiver, and we are the caller, then Jesus, alone, is the phone thru which the callers communicate with the receiver!

What's your IQ by the way?

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