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Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 8:46pm On Jan 23, 2016
I have seen this argument time and time again- a nairaland muslim coming to explain that puberty (after first menstruation) is when a girl is ready to be married.

The issue here is that this puberty occurs in girls from 9-15 years. So, should a 9 year old get married? How about 13? Or 14?

This issue needs to be addressed


Some comments on the issue from muslims


Empiree:
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"Age consent" is PUBERTY. Other factors are embedded therein.


Areolad:

We presented this to doctors who are specialists. Does it harm the young girl who has reached the age of puberty to marry early? (The answer) No. This does not harm her. This is what the doctors said.

This affair is very normal. When the young girl reaches puberty even if she is nine years old for her to marry does not harm her at all; it does not harm her at all.

This is not anything to be ashamed of. Shame is for the daughter to fornicate with her lover on her father’s and mother’s bed with no disapproval. This is something to be ashamed of. As for that which the natural inclination proves, and the intelligent people have agreed upon its permissibility then this is nothing to be ashamed of.

Translated by Rasheed ibn Estes Barbee
http://mtws.posthaven.com/answer-concerning-prophets-marriage-to-aisha


Muhammed77766:
@Ezegozie
1.how can marriage become rape. rape is forced sex no force no rape .A century ago marriage age was 13/12,,,marry (mother of jesus) married @12 and quite normal. for an abuse there will be a victim .no victim no abuse
2. A very low percent of Muslims are terrorist LIKE ANY OTHER RELIGION OR CULT. every herd contains some black sheep.
3. same as above
4.if girl reached puberty, if man is OK, if girl is OK with it , then what is ur role there?? whether the world have to follow ur morality.
5. because we love u . preaching Islam is the duty of muslim
6. prophet did so we And we feel ur way of urinating irritAting, ugly and all (morAlity diff. from person to person)
7.I do not know that ISIS Muslims or Jews
Islam teaches to be violent to those who are viol ent to u first (war btween countries).
8. we look for evidence to find truth.
9. which history any way quran condems it .
10. sex is pleasure .how come pleasure spoil someone?sex is good if not forced..
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by chocolateme(f): 8:49pm On Jan 23, 2016
That's y they quickly abuse over grown little kids.
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Nobody: 9:12pm On Jan 23, 2016
DAFUQ

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by dalaman: 9:19pm On Jan 23, 2016
I am just tired of muslims and their obsession with sex.

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 9:28pm On Jan 23, 2016
dalaman:
I am just tired of muslims and their obsession with sex.

I wouldn't mind if it were adults. but 9-15 year olds? Gaddem!

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by dalaman: 9:31pm On Jan 23, 2016
JackBizzle:


I wouldn't mind if it were adults. but 9-15 year olds? Gaddem!

They claim its better to marry at 9 than have sex at 21 when unmarried. Crazy people
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 9:37pm On Jan 23, 2016
dalaman:


They claim its better to marry at 9 than have sex at 21 when unmarried. Crazy people


Empiree is the master of such arguments.
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by AkProsper(m): 9:42pm On Jan 23, 2016
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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by malvisguy212: 9:46pm On Jan 23, 2016
^^ I was coming home from work on a taxi, the driver was a muslim, he put on a cassette (muslims preaching) the imam say there are two good things to do in this world, 1. Honor allah 2. Sex.
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by johnydon22(m): 10:09pm On Jan 23, 2016
JackBizzle:


I wouldn't mind if it were adults. but 9-15 year olds? Gaddem!
What do you expect when their ultimate prophet, role model and best friend of God married a girl of 6 and consummated it when she was 9?

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 10:12pm On Jan 23, 2016
dalaman:
I am just tired of muslims and their obsession with sex.
How about non-muslim teen impreganated by some dude?. How about non-muslim girl at 14 who gets pregnant and later become grandma at 30?. Do you have any objection to that madam?

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 10:13pm On Jan 23, 2016
Empiree:
How about non-muslim teen impreganated by some dude?. How about non-muslim girl at 14 who gets pregnant and later become grandma at 30?. Do you have any objection to that madam?

grin grin

Would you give out your 14 year old daughter for marriage?
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 10:15pm On Jan 23, 2016
johnydon22:
What do you expect when their ultimate prophet, role model and best friend of God married a girl of 6 and consummated it when she was 9?


The guy had more than 10 wives while he restricted the other guys to a minimum of 4. lipsrsealed
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 10:23pm On Jan 23, 2016
JackBizzle:
I have seen this argument time and time again- a nairaland muslim coming to explain that puberty (after first menstruation) is when a girl is ready to be married.

The issue here is that this puberty occurs in girls from 9-15 years. So, should a 9 year old get married? How about 13? Or 14?

This issue needs to be addressed


Some comments on the issue from muslims









You dont get it, do you?. A girl can reach puberty at 9 but not mentally fit for marriage. I said earlier:

""Age consent" is PUBERTY. Other factors are embedded therein. @underlined sums it all. If you still dont get it, drink a coffee. You bunch of hypocrites. I gave you illustration but you chose to look the other way. I will ask again.

"A non-muslim girl gave birth @ 14 and she become grandma at 36." She did not marry. Do you have issues with this or not?


Go through attached picture. The lady is my friend in US. Now, do you have anything to say?

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 10:29pm On Jan 23, 2016
^^

If she's mentality sound and sexually active, YES!

If she can keep her chastity till certain age, I dont mind delaying it.

JackBizzle:


grin grin

Would you give out your 14 year old daughter for marriage?
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by johnydon22(m): 10:31pm On Jan 23, 2016
JackBizzle:

The guy had more than 10 wives while he restricted the other guys to a minimum of 4. lipsrsealed
Humans basically loose their independency in reason once they find religion

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by dalaman: 10:35pm On Jan 23, 2016
Empiree:
How about non-muslim teen impreganated by some dude?. How about non-muslim girl at 14 who gets pregnant and later become grandma at 30?. Do you have any objection to that madam?

I have no problem with consenting adults having consensual sex between them be it in marriage or out of marriage. To me it is not wrong at all. I have problem with people exploiting kids and having sex with them whether in marriage or out of marriage.
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 10:43pm On Jan 23, 2016
dalaman:


I have no problem with consenting adults having consensual sex between them be it in marriage or out of marriage. To me it is not wrong at all. I have problem with people exploiting kids and having sex with them whether in marriage or out of marriage.
Now your hypocrisy stinks. Goodbye.

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by dalaman: 10:49pm On Jan 23, 2016
Empiree:
Now your hypocrisy stinks. Goodbye.

What hypocrisy? You believe it is right for people to marry 9 year old girls but some how have the guts to talk about hypocrisy. Two adults that happen to be lovers having consensual sex in or out of marriage to me is not a bad thing. You will have to provide rational basis for showing that it is wrong. You believe that it is right for a 9 year old girl to be married off because some primitive Bedouin Arab man who lived 1400 years ago in a period when men lived no differently from barbarians did so, at that time rationality was not the basis for morality. Morality was based on what people in power felt was good to them. That is why Islam allows you to marry 4 women for example but does not allow women to marry 4 men. That is because chauvinist men sat down and made those laws using the God idea they imagined as an enforcing mechanism.

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 10:54pm On Jan 23, 2016
dalaman:


[s]What hypocrisy? You believe it is right for people to marry 9 year old girls but some how have the guts to talk about hypocrisy. Two adults that happen to be lovers having consensual sex in or out of marriage to me is not a bad thing. You will have to provide rational basis for showing that it wrong. You believe that it is right for a 9 year old girl to be married off because some primitive Bedouin Arab man who lived 1400 years ago in a period when men lived no differently from barbarians did so, then rationality was not the basis for morality. Morality was based on what people in power felt was good to them. That is why Islam allows you to marry 4 women for example but does not allow women to marry 4 men. Because chauvinist men sat down and made those laws using the God idea they imagined as an enforcing mechanism.[/s]
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by jayriginal: 12:39am On Jan 24, 2016
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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by jayriginal: 12:39am On Jan 24, 2016
Empiree:



Go through attached picture. The lady is my friend in US. Now, do you have anything to say?

She's 36 and her daughter is 21.

Might even be older depending on when she last cried.
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by jayriginal: 12:45am On Jan 24, 2016
Empiree:
^^

If she's mentality sound and sexually active, YES!

If she can keep her chastity till certain age, I dont mind delaying it.


And pray tell how you would know your 14 year old is sexually active.

Listen, let's remove religion and sêx from this discussion.

A 14 year old can learn how to drive a car but there's a reason why cars are restricted to 18 plus. Theres also a reason a minor can't buy a firearm.

When you figure it out, you will understand why minors shouldn't be married or copulatè (health issues aside)
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 1:05am On Jan 24, 2016
jayriginal:


And pray tell how you would know your 14 year old is sexually active.
Do you live outside of this world?. You dont see them around you?. If you dont, you dont watch West shows or you never heard of teen pregnancy in the West? smh


A 14 year old can learn how to drive a car but there's a reason why cars are restricted to 18 plus. Theres also a reason a minor can't buy a firearm. When you figure it out, you will understand why minors shouldn't be married
You never heard of junior driver's licence?. Figure that out. Keep deceiving ya self. You people are predators. You have ways of lurking around muslims girls. Thats why you dont want them marry. Leave them alone, please.


or copulatè (health issues aside)
@underlined, health issues just for marrying?. Is there any difference btw:

* a married 14 yr old with her husband and a child and

* a 14 yr old with a child and no father?.

Why is it health issues for the former but not for the later?. I get what you people are doing. Ya dont want people marry bcus ya want to chase them and F them and dump them.

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 1:12am On Jan 24, 2016
jayriginal:


She's 36 and her daughter is 21.

Might even be older depending on when she last cried.

See how you tried to twist. I know both mother and daughter. You know them better than me?. Instead of you to admit the fact you twisted it. She clearly said (in the picture above) she's 36. She gave birth to her when she was 14, period. If she could suck d*ck and get knocked out by a dude, you telling me she doesnt understand what marriage is?. Yeyeman. Your problem is marriage is an old fashion institution.

What's even funny is when her daughter sleeps over at her mom's house, mom gets jealous bcus mom has a boyfriend who is not even her daughter's father. The reason is bcus of closeness of their age. I told you i know both of them. They are Spanish-White. The last time she cried was on November 22, her daughter's birthday. She cried bcus she was never in her daughter's life and she regret. I know them personally. You think i dey joke?. She was born in 1979. Her daughter was born 1994. In nigeria at that age it is almost impossible to get pregnant in the 90s.

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 3:27am On Jan 24, 2016
Empiree:
You dont get it, do you?. A girl can reach puberty at 9 but not mentally fit for marriage. I said earlier:

""Age consent" is PUBERTY. Other factors are embedded therein. @underlined sums it all. If you still dont get it, drink a coffee. You bunch of hypocrites. I gave you illustration but you chose to look the other way. I will ask again.

"A non-muslim girl gave birth @ 14 and she become grandma at 36." She did not marry. Do you have issues with this or not?


Go through attached picture. The lady is my friend in US. Now, do you have anything to say?



1) What other factors embedded therein? You want to formulate some subjective islamic opinions to claim lies abi? What stops a 12 year old girl from marrying in islam if she and her fiance agree and want to get married?


2) A non-muslim girl gave birth at 14 (due to bad parenting) and you then want to correct it by bad parenting by sentencing other girls to marry at 14 (to stop them from having sex outside marriage). Why not educate your children not to have sex until they are adults rather than forcing them into child marriage?



See what religion has done to your thinking?

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 3:31am On Jan 24, 2016
Empiree:
Do you live outside of this world?. You dont see them around you?. If you dont, you dont watch West shows or you never heard of teen pregnancy in the West? smh


You never heard of junior driver's licence?. Figure that out. Keep deceiving ya self. You people are predators. You have ways of lurking around muslims girls. Thats why you dont want them marry. Leave them alone, please.


@underlined, health issues just for marrying?. Is there any difference btw:

* a married 14 yr old with her husband and a child and

* a 14 yr old with a child and no father?.

Why is it health issues for the former but not for the later?. I get what you people are doing. Ya dont want people marry bcus ya want to chase them and F them and dump them.


Look at this sorry mistake of a human being!

14 year olds shouldnt be having sex in the first place!

Rather than educate your children about sex, you prefer them to get married to avoid having sex at a young age.


I hope you see why some people have a dislike for conservatively rigid muslims as yourself (preferring liberal muslims)

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Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by JackBizzle: 3:43am On Jan 24, 2016
Empiree:
^^

If she's mentality sound and sexually active, YES!

If she can keep her chastity till certain age, I dont mind delaying it.



Why would she be sexually active in the first place and why would a 14 year old be mentally sound?
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Amberon: 4:22am On Jan 24, 2016
No truer words have ever been said.
JackBizzle:



Look at this sorry mistake of a human being!

Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Amberon: 4:30am On Jan 24, 2016
Its a known fact that Muslims are mentally invapac
Re: Morality; When Did Puberty Become Gold Standard For Sexing Young Girls? by Empiree: 4:47am On Jan 24, 2016
JackBizzle:



Why would she be sexually active in the first place and why would a 14 year old be mentally sound?
Why?. Please what part of the world do you live?. Dont tell me you have not seen sexually active ladies at 14. I posted a illustrated picture of friend of mine earlier. I thought you live in the UK?. There arent sexually active teens over there? smh.

Or you dont know what sexually active means?

Intellectually or mentally sound is understanding basics of marriage. Thats parents responsibility by the way.

There is BIG difference btw forced marriage and arranged marriage. The later is allowed in Islam. The former is forbidden.

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