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Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by DeathStroke007(m): 10:06am On Mar 20, 2016
Mathew 27:5
Act 1:18
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by DeathStroke007(m): 10:08am On Mar 20, 2016
Did Judas Iscariot die by hanging (Matthew 27:5) or did he die by falling and bursting open (Acts 1:18)?

The relevant passages are:

Matthew 27:5
Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18
Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by DeathStroke007(m): 10:11am On Mar 20, 2016
There are two passages in the NT about Judas’ death, the Gospel of Matthew and Acts of the Apostles. Both scriptures are unreliable for many reasons, the Gospel of Matthew was written decades after Jesus’ departure. There is no reference to Matthew’s gospel by name until 200 CE. The Church father Irenaeus was the first to mention the Gospels by name, and to confirm the existence of Acts. The ‘Acts’ was composed in the 2nd century, yet Christian apologist Justin Martyr (d. 150 CE) fails to mention the Acts. We have good reason to doubt the Gospel of Matthew and Acts, they are late productions based on earlier sources, belonging to the Pauline Church. In fact, the entire New Testament was written under the influence of Paul. The Jewish Christian canon was destroyed; the Hebrew gospels were consigned to the flames. Matthew borrowed from Mark; Luke borrowed from both Mark and Matthew. The Acts borrowed from the writings of Josephus, and plagiarized stories from the Old Testament (Acts 11:8, Ezekiel 4:14).

IF Luke is the author of Acts, he confessed to plagiarizing the material before him (Luke 1:3), pretending to be an historian. The Acts was selected from a table of forgeries, the Acts of Peter, Acts of Paul, and apocryphal documents. How do we know the four Gospels are not also forgeries? It must be noted that many books were accepted by the early Church, e.g. The Shepherd of Hermas, Epistle of Barnabas, Gospel of Peter, etc. The four Gospels may well be forged, because the Church selected them off a table of other forgeries. The early Church destroyed the ‘Gospel of Hebrews’ which was the source of Matthew’s gospel.

Very few Christians can explain the glaring contradiction between Matthew and Acts, the death of Judas and its contextual background. History is completely silent on this matter; the Apostolic Church fathers (Ignatius, Clement, Papias, Polycarp) do not mention Judas’ death, so the New Testament is the only source of evidence. Needless to say, the Gospels of Mark, Luke and John omit the death of Judas. The Gospel of Matthew (90 CE) says that Judas returned the 30 pieces of silver and hanged himself. Here is the specific passage we are alluding to:
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." (Matthew 27:5-6)

The passage is clear, the betrayer Judas felt guilty for betraying the ‘Master’, he eventually committed suicide by hanging. According to logic and reason, hanging causes immediate death by strangulation. Christians argue that Judas did not die from hanging, he survived the hanging and fell down to the rocks below, and his bowels “burst open” on the field (Acts 1:18). The explanation to this contradiction fails for legitimate reasons. The solution is not supported by Scripture, both Matthew and Acts are separate productions of different areas. The early Church believed Matthew was the first gospel, but today scholars agree that Mark is the first gospel. The Acts was composed much later, Christians are desperate to solve the contradiction by harmonization, yet the Gospel of Matthew is Jewish and the Acts is primarily Gentile, both scriptures couldn’t have been authored by the same person, the authors did not know each other. Similarly, the four Gospel writers composed the biographies of Jesus separately, they borrowed from each other, but they did not know each other. It seems Mark and Matthew is primarily Jewish; Luke and John are intended for Gentile audiences. The Book of Acts was allegedly written by Luke (the disciple of Paul), and he never met Jesus or Matthew. How do we know Matthew is reliable? It’s the only gospel to record the death of Judas; Acts is unreliable because it contradicts Luke on Jesus’ ascension (Luke 24:51, Acts 1:9).
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by DeathStroke007(m): 10:12am On Mar 20, 2016
With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) Acts 1:18

The Gospel of Matthew records that Judas hanged himself, and he obviously died as the result of choking. There is no verse that says “Judas fell to the ground below and his bowels gushed out”. To the contrary, the ‘Acts’ does not say Judas hanged himself, he “fell headlong and his bowels gushed open”, a glaring contradiction.

Here is the Christian explanation:

There is no contradiction here at all because both are true. A contradiction occurs when one statement excludes the possibility of another. In fact, what happened here is that Judas went and hung himself and then his body later fell down and split open. In other words, the rope or branch of the tree probably broke due to the weight and his body fell down and his bowels spilled out. http://www.carm.org/diff/Matt27_3.htm

Here is why the explanation fails to work. The “field of blood” or “Potter’s field” does not exist in Matthew; Acts does not mention any “rocks”, but merely a field Judas purchased. Why would Judas hang himself on a cliff? Also, Judas’s body never fell downward but “headlong”, which means forward. Judas was alive before his “bowels gushed open”, he must’ve been murdered.

Several problems arise from the Christian explanation.

Judas never dropped from a high place, the passage does not record any mountain cliff.

Matthew says Judas returned the silver, and hanged himself. Acts says he bought a field and “fell headlong”, showing that he never fell down from a cliff. The Acts gives the implication that Judas was thrown ahead, and the impact was so hard that his bowels burst open. There is no evidence that Judas fell vertically, only horizontally (forward), so the Christian explanation does not work.

Here is another problem, the 30 pieces of silver, Acts says he used the silver to buy a field (where he died), but Matthew says he returned the silver to the chief priests, and hanged himself. There is no purchase of any field, so he obviously never died, except by hanging (Matt. 27:5-6).

There is no reference to a cliff, Judas probably hanged himself in seclusion, and his body was found by his relatives. What are the chances that Judas’ body fell from the ropes to the field below? According to Matthew, Judas never bought any field! The Gospel of Matthew says the chief priests bought the Potter’s field after Judas was dead (Matt. 27:7-cool, yet the Book of Acts says that Judas himself bought the field and died therein (Acts 1:8-9).

If Judas fell from the ropes to the rocks below, he never fell headlong! How can you fall headlong from hanging? This is ridiculous, the legs crashed to the ground first, Judas never fell headlong.

The Church father Papias contradicts both Matthew and Acts by claiming Judas was crushed by horses!

Judas walked about in this world a sad example of impiety; for his body having swollen to such an extent that he could not pass where a chariot could pass easily, he was crushed by the chariot, so that his bowels gushed out. (Fragments of Papias, (online Source)

This passage is derived from Papias’s writing “Exegesis of the Sayings of the Lord”, only fragments remain. The Papias testimony cannot be harmonized with Matthew, yet Christians argue that horses crushed Judas’ body when he was already dead (Acts 1:18). Yet the passage clearly teaches that Judas was alive when the horses crushed him. Why was Judas’s body swollen? It’s possible that Judas committed suicide by letting the horses crush him, causing his bowels to burst open. This contradicts both Matthew and Acts, the former says Judas hanged himself; the latter says he fell “headlong” into a field. Yet the bishop Papias says Judas was crushed by horses!

The discrepancy can never be resolved.

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by MKO4ever(m): 10:13am On Mar 20, 2016
Bible=Confusion

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by DeathStroke007(m): 10:13am On Mar 20, 2016
Contradictions about Jesus crucifixion and Judas death.. ..


This Bible xef

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by kodded(m): 10:50am On Mar 20, 2016
MKO4ever:
Bible=Confusion
MKO4ever = mumu

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by TI1919(m): 11:04am On Mar 20, 2016
When you grow from baby level you will understand better

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by ZKOSOSO(m): 11:04am On Mar 20, 2016
Judas died in the End.....
After he Betrayed Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
He rose from the Dead the Third Day....
This cannot be said of one Mad Man of Arabian Desert who stole cash, rap.ed a 9yrs old, killed thousands innocent people who refused to believe him and command his followers to continue the killings, destruction and stealing till date.
This Man called profetMohamMAD still has his signature everywhere his followers exist.

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by MKO4ever(m): 12:18pm On Mar 20, 2016
kodded:


MKO4ever = mumu
TI1919:
When you grow from baby level you will understand better
ZKOSOSO:
Judas died in the End.....
After he Betrayed Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
He rose from the Dead the Third Day....
This cannot be said of one Mad Man of Arabian Desert who stole cash, rap.ed a 9yrs old, killed thousands innocent people who refused to believe him and command his followers to continue the killings, destruction and stealing till date.
This Man called profetMohamMAD still has his signature everywhere his followers exist.
Somebody highlighted confusions and contradictions from bible, instead of clarifying the points raised, my people could only attack personalities
The point here is that there are too many contradictory statements in the bible and therefore the bible cannot be presented as holy and word of God, because God is not the author of confusion.

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by Scholar8200(m): 12:28pm On Mar 20, 2016
He hanged himself , died, bloated and afterwards the carcass fell off the tree and burst due to the accumulation of fluids in the suspended corpse. Have you seen one who tripped, fell and burst like a baloon?

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by Kenneth4u205(m): 1:38pm On Mar 20, 2016
At first glance, Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18 seem to contradict. Did Judas Iscariot, after betraying Christ , hang himself or just swell up and burst open? We should first understand that God had His Word recorded in such a way that it could be misunderstood. Through one of the prophets, we find that the Bible is written "here a little, and there a little" ( Isaiah 28:10 ). That is, each part is true, but the whole truth about a particular subject may not be found in any one verse or chapter. This is one reason Paul said that the Word of God must be rightly divided ( II Timothy 2:15 ). By putting the two accounts of Judas' death together we get a clearer idea of what happened. Both events are true, but they did not happen at the same time. Matthew writes that Judas "hanged himself." Luke explains what happened later, after Judas' body began to decompose. The corpse slipped from the rope, "falling headlong, . . . burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out"— the ignominious, yet deserved end of "the son of perdition"
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by urahara(m): 2:23pm On Mar 20, 2016
Kenneth4u205:
At first glance, Matthew 27:5
and Acts 1:18 seem to
contradict. Did Judas
Iscariot, after betraying
Christ , hang himself or just
swell up and burst open?
We should first understand
that God had His Word
recorded in such a way that
it could be misunderstood.
Through one of the prophets,
we find that the Bible is
written "here a little, and
there a little" ( Isaiah 28:10 ).
That is, each part is true, but
the whole truth about a
particular subject may not be
found in any one verse or
chapter. This is one reason
Paul said that the Word of
God must be rightly divided
( II Timothy 2:15 ).
By putting the two accounts
of Judas' death together we
get a clearer idea of what
happened. Both events are
true, but they did not happen
at the same time.
Matthew writes that Judas
"hanged himself." Luke
explains what happened
later, after Judas' body
began to decompose. The
corpse slipped from the
rope, "falling headlong, . . .
burst open in the middle and
all his entrails gushed out"—
the ignominious, yet
deserved end of "the son of
perdition"

So he fell from a rope and his body rotated 180 degrees and his head landed on the ground .lovely.
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by TI1919(m): 3:51pm On Mar 20, 2016
MKO4ever:



Somebody highlighted confusions and contradictions from bible, instead of clarifying the points raised, my people could only attack personalities
The point here is that there are too many contradictory statements in the bible and therefore the bible cannot be presented as holy and word of God, because God is not the author of confusion.


God knows the reason why the kingdom matters remain hidden to people like you... There is no need for any explanation...

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Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by Kenneth4u205(m): 6:56pm On Mar 20, 2016
urahara:


So he fell from a rope and his body rotated 180 degrees and his head landed on the ground .lovely.
it was a very tall tree. so when his body was falling, it collided with the tree branches, making the body to fall headlong
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by Kenneth4u205(m): 6:57pm On Mar 20, 2016
urahara:


So he fell from a rope and his body rotated 180 degrees and his head landed on the ground .lovely.
it was a very tall tree. so when his body was falling, it collided with the tree branches(rotate the body), making the body to fall headlong
Re: Contradictions On The Death Account Of Judas In Bible by urahara(m): 9:34am On Apr 12, 2016
Kenneth4u205:
it was a very tall tree. so when his body was falling, it collided with the tree branches(rotate the body), making the body to fall headlong

Or it could be that the tree was at the edge of a cliff or that an angel made him turn that way or that ...... U fill in the gaps.

My point is that ratiolanizations can always be made to back up stupid contradictions.

For example
In a book i read that mr x died through poisoning in another book i heard that mr x died when he was hit by a train.
Any sane person would admit that there is a contradiction but this is how the religious mind would work

1 . mr x was killed by poison coincindentally as he was hit by the train.

2.mr x was hit by a train and on his hospital bed he was poisoned and he died

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