leofab:
ignore the picture and face the fact. I need evidence of the fact that the Arab took more slave than the Europeans. Do the Arabs eat their own slaves? Because the latter is evident in the population of blacks in 'New Indies'. From your conclusion; both religion are evil and humans should dedicate their time more on how to solve human issues rather than trying to make some imaginary paradise.

gasgenius:


Foolishness , who are u asking me or yourself . then be a muslim and commit suicide . they await u . as if all those people are Christian .

leofab:
am only correcting the impression you made that muslims are the problem of the world; insulting a fellow human to defend a fantasy God is the highest height of foolishness.

gasgenius:


No human are the highest foolishness..... Are u a Muslim ?
Remember before we recieve all this religion we have lots of gods even the greek have alot . even twin killing and some stupid practice . just imagine . one tin i like about Christianity is the freedom of worship and check history history also there are stupid religuon that are like African traditional practice... Call it God man cant do without God whether is iron or cloth they will worship

leofab:
what freedom of worship are you talking about? Am not muslim; am esoteric... Try and view all religion from a neutral point ; no religion holy pass. Time to put more effort in helping fellow humans..

I was hoping I wouldn't be compelled to comment on this topic, for clarity purpose I have to chip this in...

Many people have found the biblical doctrine of the Trinity hard to understand. 

The doctrine of the Trinity recognizes that God is one God, co-existing in three distinct Persons of the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT.  In our material existence, the concept that God is One God, yet exists as three distinct persons, is foreign to some.

However, the doctrine of the Godhead (Trinity) is without questions revealed in God's word.

 The biblical term "Godhead" (theiotes) is used three times in Scripture, Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9.  The word “Trinity," which is the theological word Christians use to refer to the Godhead, is not found in Scripture.

·         "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device" (Acts 17:29).

·         "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse”  (Romans 1:20)

·         "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." (Colossians 2:9)

The doctrine states that the Godhead, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, consists of three distinct Persons, yet these three are one God. There are many arguments espoused by those that deny the Trinity, but the most prevalent is: 

How can God be One God and at the same time be three Persons?

The problem with that question is that it is based in ignorance of what God has said about Himself.   The Bible, the Word of God, plainly states the plurality of God and that God is One God.   To accept His Word means to believe what God has revealed.  The truth of the Trinity is a revealed truth that is established in the credibility of God Himself. 

In Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus gave His disciples the Great Commission, stating that they were to teach and baptize in the names of the Godhead, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."  

Further 1 John 5:7 states "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

What separate CHRISTIANITY from other religion is the RESURRECTION of JESUS CHRIST who is the only true way to GOD...


And Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV

nathoneal:

Kbs468:


Are the below still not the same Bible verses about Jesus not being God? ( Can't you even figure it out that it is full of history and stories by historians? Meaning that it is still subject to human error? As GOD alone is the only perfect being on existence?)

Kbs468:
"just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4)

(yet again 'by the glory of the Father'. so you are telling me that Jesus is the son and at the same time his own father again? If he was the product of the Spirit inside Holy Mary, did he again formed the Spirit before entering her? Remember that Islam believes that ONLY GOD was never created but he created everything else)

Kbs468:
“Who is. to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.” (Romans 8:34)

( Another evidence that Jesus is not God. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God just like every other prophet of old as they are all Candidates of Heaven or paradise as you wish to call it)

KoloOyinbo:


What an excellent explanation with some very relevant scriptural references! Very well done. I am often asked about this but must admit none of my explanations have been as erudite as this.

Naturally we shall now have to tolerate a host of dissenters who mostly simply state their own position without any justification. One idiot even tried to quote the Gospel of Barnabas!!! When it was pointed out that this was a rejected heritical work with many factual errors (and possibly even more spiritual) he then presumed to discount the results of hundreds of years of theological and academic/historical knowledge in favour of his own particular fantasy!!!!

KoloOyinbo:


Which picture and facts do you want to ignore? Are you really unaware of the arab slave trade!!!!! Have you no access even to the dubious world of google/wiki? Please read any ACADEMIC source rather than relying on nairaland writing of the uneducated. Christianity was at the forefront of the abolitionist movement!

No what has any of this to do with the Pope demonstrating humility, love and tolerance? You keep ignoring that and bringing in all these irrelevancies!

gasgenius:


Religion is not being holy pass as u said. Before Christianity or Islam in Nigeria there were lots of religion. And it was not ok by the followers. That why in some will join evil cult and become a witch to become powerful. Religion is absolute believing and I do study religion and Christianity is better off that why is popular and they never blame Christianity on evil mostly compare to others

Kbs468:

Is this not the same Bible you are talking about? With the below content?

See what you need to ask yourself is

WHY IS THE BIBLE NOT FULL OF HE SAID THIS AND THAT ALONE AND QUOTED DIRECTLY INSTEAD OF THE Mathew this, luke this, john this, Solomon this, king this, apostle that etc? Let me just stop because what you are dragging me into is what I hate doing actually.

Different versions by different authors with different sentence construct. I mean.......


Leviticus 25:44-46New International Version (NIV)

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

New International Version (NIV)

STUDY THIS
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 20Exodus 22

Exodus 21:2-6New International Version (NIV)

Hebrew Servants
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

Footnotes:

Exodus 21:6 Or before God
New International Version (NIV)


STUDY THIS
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 20Exodus 22

Exodus 21:7-11New International Version (NIV)

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

Footnotes:

Exodus 21:8 Or master so that he does not

STUDY THIS
Exodus 21:20-21
Exodus 20Exodus 22

Exodus 21:20-21New International Version (NIV)

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

New International Version (NIV)


STUDY THIS
Ephesians 6:5
Ephesians 5Philippians 1

Ephesians 6:5New International Version (NIV)

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5 in all English translations
STUDY THIS
1 Timothy 6:1-2
1 Timothy 52 Timothy 1

1 Timothy 6:1-2New International Version (NIV)

6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves.

False Teachers and the Love of Money
These are the things you are to teach and insist on.

Footnotes:

1 Timothy 6:2 Or and benefit from the service
New International Version (NIV)


STUDY THIS
Luke 12:47-48
Luke 11Luke 13

Luke 12:47-48New International Version (NIV)

47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
New International Version (NIV)

leofab:
why did you say Christianity is better of

Kbs468:

I don't need to argue much but you can read this briefly ok


"The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you." [Bible - John 14:26]

Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "A messenger will come after me, named Ahmad." [Holy Quran 61:6]

The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, "If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah - are you THAT Prophet?" [Bible - John 1:20]

You don't even understand a bit of what Jesus said. Jesus said, A Comforter, the Spirit of the truth will come after Him. This Comforter is the Holy


When the chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist who he was, they asked him in a very strange way. First they questioned him as to whether or not he was the anticipated "Messiah" [Christ in Koine Greek]. He was not the "Messiah" that had hoped for. Next they asked if he was the prophet Elijah and again he tells them, "No." Now comes the really strange part. Finally, they asked him if he is "That Prophet?"

Are you Christ? - [No]
Are you Elijah? - [No]
Are you THAT Prophet? - [No]



Again, I'd like to ask you to keep the following verses in mind:

Jeremiah 51:33 Arabia has not yet met its threshold, and the time of her harvest shall come.

Jeremiah 31:31 �The days are coming,� declares the Lord, �when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

Isaiah 41:8-13 GOD Almighty assures the House of Jacob that they are still loved and chosen by GOD Almighty. �Do not be afraid (of this Servant).� Never was this said to an Israelite Prophet. THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF JACOB were commanded to not be afraid of him, because he will be a NON-ISRAELITE Prophet.

Isaiah 41 and 42:6, 42:10-13 The Arabian Prophet will come from the people of Kedar with ********* The New Covenant.


More on how Prophet Muhammad was Prophesied in the Bible, and how he is the Final and Special Prophet that was going to be sent to all of mankind, according to the Bible itself. See how the Bible in the Old and New Testaments made DIRECT Prophecies about it too :

'The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today).

The Prophet who will come from "Arabia".
The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman". Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15.

The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar".
The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar.

The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar".

"Arabia will rejoice and blossom".
The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman.

The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear".

The Prophet who is "like Moses". Both Muhammad and Moses brought new Laws. There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Quran, which Islam is built on.

Also in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews: "So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43).
Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews. Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews.

- By the way, the "Kingdom of God" here means THE COVENANT & RELIGION OF GOD on earth to the new nation.

Also, "(GOD's) burden shall be upon Arabia" (Isaiah 21:13) [1], means GOD Almighty's Divine Assignment to His Warriors and True Believers shall be put upon the shoulders of the Arabs through Islam and also through the 2nd return of Jesus Christ from Arabia, according to both Islam and the Bible

najib632:
In Islam if u don't believe in all the prophets of God your faith is not complete dats among the six articles of faith in Islam. All muslims believe that Jesus A.S. is a messenger of Allah he is even among the most respected prohets of God; Abraham A.S.,Nuh A.S.,Moses A.S. ,Jesus A.S. and Prohet Muhammad S.A.W. so am jus looking at you guys and those bastard jews you will Answer God on judgement day keeping on saying that God is 3

najib632:
In Islam if u don't believe in all the prophets of God your faith is not complete dats among the six articles of faith in Islam. All muslims believe that Jesus A.S. is a messenger of Allah he is even among the most respected prohets of God; Abraham A.S.,Nuh A.S.,Moses A.S. ,Jesus A.S. and Prohet Muhammad S.A.W. so am jus looking at you guys and those bastard jews you will Answer God on judgement day keeping on saying that God is 3

KoloOyinbo:


Lol. Stuck in the past I see. Come up to the 1800's and read of William Wilberforce and John Newton etc etc. You might learn a lot. Confused why you focussed on Christianity and not arab slavers or african slavers. Read my earlier posts.

wadetaw202:


You are not just ignorant,but you are also a fuul. If you are not a fuul, you will know you are veering off the point. Those people the pope is washing their feet are as ignorant as peter when Jesus wanted to wash his feet and that is the point of discuss.

cleoblizz332:
get my message..yes dea were ignorant as peter so what later happen when Jesus explained to him he hurriedly requested dt his hands should be washed as well, one can be ignorant bt its not right to live on it..one more thing brother u called me a fool n u still say u t a Christian if Jesus called all those who went against him a fool I wonder what would have being our faith now...stick to ur BIBLE it helps

wadetaw202:


It is you that seems to have exchange your bible for guguru(popcorn). If not, you will realise that people get easily converted when you preach to them by action. Have you ever read 1Corinthians 9:19-23? Try reading the place.

Romans 12:20 may also help. It doesn't matter if these peeps are not Christians. Your good deeds can transform their hearts and have more positive impacts on their lives than the noise your church makes through loudspeakers.