debosky:

3. It is not a given that 'maximal' gain will be obtained from siting 'high level' manpower training where oil and has is found in abundance - The best schools for studying oil and gas in the UK for example are Imperial College and Heriot-Watt - none is in Aberdeen the centre of the oil industry in the UK.

For your information, Heriot Watt is in Scotland, Aberdeen, and is recognised as one of the best Petroleum Engineering Schools in the world. As a matter of fact, Scotland has the largest concentration of petroleum engineering schools in the UK. And the reasons are not far fetched. Scotland is most proximal to the North Sea - the hub of oil activities in the UK. Please get your facts right.

In the US, the biggest of them all in terms of Petroleum Engineering is in Texas and Louisiana - University of Texas at Austin and Louisiana State University. Texas A&M is another big producer of oil men. They are all located in areas where oil activities are concentrated in the US.

I wonder why the Niger Delta case should be different.

debosky:

WHY do they want a degree awarding institute? Is a lack of graduates the problem of the delta vis a vis manpower in the industry? That is clearly not the case!

This clearly is the case - and I will not join issues with you on this one, Debo. No need to elaborate.

debosky:

There is no proof of this being clear - I believe the FUPRE was 'created' in name only to keep 'agitators' quiet and had no real vision or purpose.

Well, if that is the case, I suggest/posit that Yaradua should tow OBJs line of action - cos it's working dammit!

ono:

For your information, Heriot Watt is in Scotland, Aberdeen, and is recognised as one of the best Petroleum Engineering Schools in the world. As a matter of fact, Scotland has the largest concentration of petroleum engineering schools in the UK. And the reasons are not far fetched. Scotland is most proximal to the North Sea - the hub of oil activities in the UK. Please get your facts right.

Heriott=Watt is in Edinburgh, NOT Aberdeen. It is 130miles away from Aberdeen!

In the US, the biggest of them all in terms of Petroleum Engineering is in Texas and Louisiana - University of Texas at Austin and Louisiana State University. Texas A&M is another big producer of oil men. They are all located in areas where oil activities are concentrated in the US.

I wonder why the Niger Delta case should be different.

The biggest institutions for oil and gas are STILL in the Niger Delta - the PTI, the Federal Polytechnic being built in Bayelsa and the National Technical Institute for Gas and Petroleum in Bonny. The IPS collaboration between UNIPORT and Ecole Polytechnique is also in the Delta and produces a lot of the grads for oil companies too - are ALL the institutions in the US located on the Gulf Coast?

This clearly is the case - and I will not join issues with you on this one, Debo. No need to elaborate.

You need to join issues with me - so the graduates from UNIPORT, UNIUYO, RSUT, DELSU, UNIBEN, NDU Wilberforce Island are not enough? Please join issues with me on this one!

Well, if that is the case, I suggest/posit that Yaradua should tow OBJs line of action - cos it's working dammit!

It's working?? Really?? A University in name only is working??

Are you truly interested in the BENEFITS to the ND or just gestures that pander to your whims without giving you what you really NEED?

Yes, Edinburgh. Thank you. Yet Edinburgh is in SCOTLAND not ENGLAND - like you wanted everyone to believe.

The RGU - Robert Gordon University, another big oil people producer is in Aberdeen.

ono:

Yes, Edinburgh. Thank you. Yet Edinburgh is in SCOTLAND not ENGLAND - like you wanted everyone to believe.

The RGU - Robert Gordon University, another big oil people producer is in Aberdeen.

Listen not ALL institutes are in Scotland are they? If they all are, then you can make this claim about 'maximal' benefits.

They are NOT!

What we need are TECHNICAL COLLEGES producing low to middle level manpower - the over 500 M.Scs we've produced through the PTDF and are still producing should be adequate - we don't need any more universities.

Okay. I think the best way out of this is for the FG not to have any special oil schools at all - aside from the PTI. Period.

debosky:

The best schools for studying oil and gas in the UK for example are Imperial College and Heriot-Watt - none is in Aberdeen the centre of the oil industry in the UK.

You are an irredeemable slowpoke. Stop spitting bunkum on the internet in the name of information dissemination. Robert Gordon University is in Aberdeen and last time I checked, they do Petroleum studies. 

Ibime:

You are an irredeemable slowpoke. Stop spitting bunkum on the internet in the name of information dissemination. Robert Gordon University is in Aberdeen and last time I checked, they do Petroleum studies. 

Mumu - I said the BEST institutions are NOT in Aberdeen, not that there are NO institutions there.

UNIPORT/Ecole Polytechnique collaboration is in the ND producing high quality grads and ono is here saying that we need more 'degree producing' (read more paper qualifications) institutes?

ono:

Okay. I think the best way out of this is for the FG not to have any special oil schools at all - aside from the PTI. Period.

Any such argument for/against institutes must be made on FACT and actual industry needs not on emotionalism or domineering sentiments. That is what we should call for, instead of the current misrepresentation of issues going on.

Ibime:

You are an irredeemable slowpoke. Stop spitting bunkum on the internet in the dame of information dissemination. Robert Gordon University is in Aberdeen and last time I checked, they do Petroleum studies.

This is unnecessary harshness, Ibime said the BEST not the only, i mean,you could have though a bit more b4 calling sum1 an slowpoke, meanwhile,u can check the university rankings online!

Basildon1:

This is unnecessary harshness, Ibime said the BEST not the only, i mean,you could have though a bit more b4 calling sum1 an slowpoke, meanwhile,u can check the university rankings online!

Dont worry, Debosky is my boy. . . . trading insults is a common occurrence with that nincompoop

debosky:

Mumu - I said the BEST institutions are NOT in Aberdeen, not that there are NO institutions there.

Bastard! You better disambiguate your comments properly. I see your grammar-writing skills are on the wane!

Ibime:

Dont worry, Debosky is my boy. . . . trading insults is a common occurrence with that nincompoop


Bastard! You better disambiguate your comments properly. I see your grammar-writing skills are on the wane!

Na debating with militants like you cause am - I need to tone down the grammar for y'all to comprehend. Yet it's too difficult for you.

Shepe don corrupt your braincells.

@Ibime

watr u turkin abot?

doo u now undurstand mee an debosky? 

MEND = Moronic Ethical Nigerian Dickhead

debosky:

Any such argument for/against institutes must be made on FACT and actual industry needs not on emotionalism or domineering sentiments. That is what we should call for, instead of the current misrepresentation of issues going on.

You said we have enough degree producing schools already. What we need to address the manpower needs of the oil industry are more ''low-middle level manpower schools''. Fine.

Is the upgrade of the CPS, Kaduna geared towards achieving that goal of ''producing more low-middle level manpower'' or not? If it's for ''producing managers'', then they should shelve that idea and leave that for the universities that specialise in producing high level manpower - abi? They don't want FUPRE anymore, right? Remember FUPRE was created to cater for managers in the oil business.

When I said that we should scrap the idea of another oil school, that was based on some of the reasons stated so far in our discussions. Which I think are OK. What other facts do you want to read here? - Plus I need to be emotional on issues about my people.  I doubt if you will not react same way if you were in my shoes.

Like I continue to say the Northerns are the root of all Nigeria's problem - the rest of the country must align with the Yorubas and Igbos to wipe them out!! The think the rest of the country are idiots.

Dobosky, your show a lot of deceit in your arguments. I think you see all nigerdeltans as illiterates and uneducated. Then you lie and then turn logic on its head to make a case for your arguments.

Heriott=Watt is in Edinburgh, NOT Aberdeen. It is 130miles away from Aberdeen!

First of all the real distance between Aberdeen and Edinburgh is not 130miles but 92 miles. We can compare that to the distance between Warri and Asaba.

Secondly nobody said the institute or all petroleum related institutes should be built on top of oil wells, but at least the most important one should be built anywhere in the Niger Delta, not in the middle of the desert.  Were indegenes will be entitled to many advantages, like higher admission ration ( catchment area) and associated developments associated with important institutions (eg O.A.U)

We are tired of your people telling us, that they are born to rule (especially the oil industry) and so site all top management institutions in their back yard and leave the "talakawas"  meaning the Nigerdeltans to follow, by preparing them for low level menial jobs.  

The biggest institutions for oil and gas are STILL in the Niger Delta - the PTI, the Federal Polytechnic being built in Bayelsa and the National Technical Institute for Gas and Petroleum in Bonny. The IPS collaboration between UNIPORT and Ecole Polytechnique is also in the Delta and produces a lot of the grads for oil companies too - are ALL the institutions in the US located on the Gulf Coast?

This is one of your most absurd comments, in one breath you said "The biggest institutions for oil and gas are STILL in the Niger Delta", and in the same breath you said "the Federal Polytechnic being built [/b]in Bayelsa and the National Technical Institute for Gas and Petroleum in Bonny. "

Please look at the highlighted words and tell me you do not see the irony of your statement, because before now we though the PTI[b] was being converted to a standard university.

4. A Federal University claim should not be muddled into the strategic needs of the oil and gas industry in this case - it has not been done in the past and should not be done now.

Before now i regarded you as a highly intellectual person, but i am so disappointed by the above statement.

Please tell me what universities (and Technical colleges) in other climes are muddled with. What should our universities be muddled (  research) up with?, how to import petrol? or how to flare more gas?. Nigerian universities are not relevant to peculiar technological needs (thereby resulting in unemployable graduates), because the universities are not "muddled up"  with the needs of the Nigerian society.

You need to join issues with me - so the graduates from UNIPORT, UNIUYO, RSUT, DELSU, UNIBEN, NDU Wilberforce Island are not enough? Please join issues with me on this one!

I say you are a very dishonest person, you are comparing orange with fura. You sited only three federal universities in the whole of the Niger Delta. And when it came to Delta State ( second highest oil producing state)the only university you sited is a state university. What of Bayelsa?  You will then go on and castigate the governors for not doing anything with 31% of state allocations (30% of federal revenue), while the Federal government with 55% is not questioned by you.  I am sure you are ready to "slaughter" Local Govt Chairmen who collectively have 25% of federal allocations.

I am not supporting corruption by Governors or Local Govt. Chairmen, but the truth is the Federal Government is far more corrupt than other tiers of government.

Debosky's arguments are pointless, annoying and illogical.
What has Aberdeen got to do with Nigeria? This sort of pseudo-intellectual display causes my brain to ache.

Afren should go to Bauchi, Gombe and Borno state to prospect for and drill oil. . . There is a high possibility of a find there. Since Mr Lukman believes only Northern Nigeria has everything and can host everything.

Kaduna has more army brigades than the entire Southern Nigeria. The city has a moribund refinery which is nothing more than a white elephant to massage Hausa people's ego. The same state has the Military training schools (NMS, CSC and NDA). This tribalistic goons want to build a school to train hausa people to run the oil industry as we know that admissions to this school would be 'ojoro' like the way they ensure their relatives are majority in the military schools. 'Thunder fire Lukman'

If they want to build a university to train managers, let them put it in Abuja or any SS/SE state. Now his brothers have gone on rampage and killed policemen in Bauchi and we are waiting for JTF to go to Bauchi and burn all the houses there a la Odi style. Afterall, the crime of the Odi indigenes was because Niweigha and his boys killed 12 policemen that have been harassing the area.

MEND will succeed and flush these morons who believe they can trample on people's rights forever out!!

wirinet:

Dobosky, your show a lot of deceit in your arguments. I think you see all nigerdeltans as illiterates and uneducated. Then you lie and then turn logic on its head to make a case for your arguments.

Dude that was a joke direccted at Ibime alone, I am in no way insulting ND people.

First of all the real distance between Aberdeen and Edinburgh is not 130miles but 92 miles. We can compare that to the distance between Warri and Asaba.

This was an aside, showing you don't have to site a university on an oil rig for it to be quality. What about the case of Imperial College? How far away is it from the oil fields?

Secondly nobody said the institute or all petroleum related institutes should be built on top of oil wells, but at least the most important one should be built anywhere in the Niger Delta, not in the middle of the desert.  Were indegenes will be entitled to many advantages, like higher admission ration ( catchment area) and associated developments associated with important institutions (eg O.A.U)

That remains the case - the PTI is the premier institute for oil and gas personnel in Nigeria. - no institute for policy and studies can change that.

Indigenes cannot be given higher admission ration to an INSTITUTE - why are people bent on misinformation? The NIPSS in Kuru, which is a similar institute, is only open to people who have achieved certain cadres within their organisations/parastatals before being nominated to attend. Granted there will be associate developments, but again that should not be the driving force in this argument. There has not been any evidence/reasoning advanced to indicate that the institute will be 'better' than the PTI in any sense - they have differing aims.

We are tired of your people telling us, that they are born to rule (especially the oil industry) and so site all top management institutions in their back yard and leave the "talakawas"  meaning the Nigerdeltans to follow, by preparing them for low level menial jobs.  

This argument does not stand up to logic - you can go to even Ahmadu Bello University or other Northern institutions - they are chock full of southerners showing that positioning does not stop the flow of individuals to learn if they choose to. In any case, since the target audience are existing employees in the oil and gas industry (ostensibly sourced from the PTI and universities) it will become apparent that a large chunk of the attendees at the institute will arise from the Delta.

At least make your judgements based on fact not emotional responses.

Any claims of domination by the North has certainly never been on the basis of intellectual superiority and will not be so now.

This is one of your most absurd comments, in one breath you said "The biggest institutions for oil and gas are STILL in the Niger Delta", and in the same breath you said "the Federal Polytechnic being built [/b]in Bayelsa and the National Technical Institute for Gas and Petroleum in Bonny. "

There is no contradiction. The PTI remains the biggest institution for oil and gas. The IPS at UNIPORT remains the only specialised institute in Nigeria with reputable foreign collaboration in the oil and gas industry. The Shell Intensive Training Program (SITP) campus at Edjeba trains people to a pre-masters level and is in the Delta. The inclusion of other institutes being built does not negate the presence of the above.

Please look at the highlighted words and tell me you do not see the irony of your statement, because before now we though the PTI[b] was being converted to a standard university.

There was never a 'conversion' of the PTI into a University, another institution was proposed ADJACENT to it - again, let's discuss the FACTS of the matter not warped perceptions based on hearsay.

Please tell me what universities (and Technical colleges) in other climes are muddled with. What should our universities be muddled (  research) up with?, how to import petrol? or how to flare more gas?. Nigerian universities are not relevant to peculiar technological needs (thereby resulting in unemployable graduates), because the universities are not "muddled up"  with the needs of the Nigerian society.

Thank you for this - finally we are talking about needs. Can you tell me what the manpower needs of the ND/oil industry are at the moment? I gave a few statistics in another thread showing over 500 MScs have been trained by the PTDF ALONE and 80+ PHDs, all for the oil and gas industry. About 10 Universities have been endowed with 350m each for specific departments dealing with oil and gas. The other institutions being built have been mentioned. Why is there a need for an 'oil and gas' University?  

Even the UK doesn't have an 'oil and gas' university so why do we need one? For prestige, playing to the gallery or as a result of a NEED?  

I have said it numerous times - we DO NOT need another university in the country at the moment. With regards to training manpower for the oil and gas industry, creation of a 'university of petroleum' has never been the POLICY of government. It's policy as espoused within the PTDF is to create centres of excellence across the ND (and the country at large) specialising in various aspects of oil and gas at University level, while the PTI maintains it's focus on hands-on technical training which remains the bedrock of the industry and where we have the greatest need.

The entire FUPRE idea is an anomaly in my view, which is why I said if there is a 'clamouring' for a University, set it up but don't muddle the current policy framework in place.

I say you are a very dishonest person, you are comparing orange with fura. You sited only three federal universities in the whole of the Niger Delta. And when it came to Delta State ( second highest oil producing state)the only university you sited is a state university. What of Bayelsa?  

We do not need more universities and I maintain that - we have too many and we cannot manage them so creating more is a waste of time and resources. I know it 'sounds good' to say there are universities anywhere, but the quality of output tells us this is not what is needed - we need to ensure the existing institutions are up to scratch and not simply empty shells.

Let us build things based on need and application not just an urge to say 'x has it and so should y'.

You will then go on and castigate the governors for not doing anything with 31% of state allocations (30% of federal revenue), while the Federal government with 55% is not questioned by you.  I am sure you are ready to "slaughter" Local Govt Chairmen who collectively have 25% of federal allocations.

Again, I have castigated the FG on numerous occasions - attempting to lump together arguments achieves nothing. We are focusing on the ND at the moment - open a thread to discuss FG action elsewhere.

I am not supporting corruption by Governors or Local Govt. Chairmen, but the truth is the Federal Government is far more corrupt than other tiers of government.

I do not remember stating that the ND states are more corrupt than the FG, all I have said is this - by attacking those closest to you who are robbing you, you can get the greatest and quickest BENEFIT to the indigenes of the ND. That is my aim and I hope it is yours as well.

Your reasonings haven't yet addressed the main issues here:

1. Is the upgrade at Kaduna geared towards producing more low - middle level manpower or not?

2. If yes, why duplicate what we already have in PTI at Effurun? Why can't they expand what's already on ground in Effurun to accommodate more people for the oil industry?

3. Is the upgrade at Kaduna aimed at producing high level manpower for the oil industry?

4. If yes, why scrap the Federal University of Petroleum Resources, Effurun, which OBJ administration set up to train[b] ''high level manpower''?[/b]
Either way, the siting of a petroleum school in Kaduna, or anywhere in the North is an ill wind that will do this nation no good.

ono:

Your reasonings haven't yet addressed the main issues here:

1. Is the upgrade at Kaduna geared towards producing more low - middle level manpower or not?

No it is not.

2. If yes, why duplicate what we already have in PTI at Effurun? Why can't they expand what's already on ground in Effurun to accommodate more people for the oil industry?

The Kaduna college has a different focus, more on policy and strategy, while PTI has a technical/technological focus, there is a natural reason for separation of these distinct areas of study. Note that the institute already exists in some form and is simply being upgraded. In fact, the upgrade of the Kaduna institution was also approved by OBJ alongside that of PTI but is only being implemented.

3. Is the upgrade at Kaduna aimed at producing high level manpower for the oil industry?

In part yes - but not in the same sense as PTI which takes fresh people in and trains them. The Kaduna institute is designed to better equip managers and would be managers in the oil and gas companies to better do their jobs and increase their overall capability.

4. If yes, why scrap the Federal University of Petroleum Resources, Effurun, which OBJ administration set up to train[b] ''high level manpower''?[/b]
Either way, the siting of a petroleum school in Kaduna, or anywhere in the North is an ill wind that will do this nation no good.

Who said FUPRE was established to train 'high level manpower'? I have seen no policy document or vision for FUPRE - kindly share this information if you have it.

The college already exists and is being upgraded, so if it has existed for so long, I wonder why there is such an opposition to it being upgraded, especially as PTI has just undergone/is undergoing a similar upgrade.

Could you please post the policy document for the CPS in Kaduna for all to see?

From what I have heard and seen in the news and also elsewhere, that school will metamorphose into a degree awarding institution. And the so called upgrade of the school is meant to ensure that all the needed infrastructure to achieve that are put in place. Remember how NDA started, before it was turned into a military university in 1985?

For me, in order to prevent the total hijack of what's dear to us in the Delta, I will state that every hands must be on deck to ensure that any institution that has oil and gas dealings in its programmes be located in any of the states in the Niger Delta.

ono:

Could you please post the policy document for the CPS in Kaduna for all to see?

I haven't seen a policy document, but we have the comments of the minister.

of course, we cannot say that everybody employed in the oil and gas industry must come from the Niger-Delta region but the majority and the bulk of the people are going to, of course, come from the area. The Petroleum College in Kaduna is not going train everybody in the sector.

It is going to train managers, and without prejudice, it will have a high enough standard and people will from all over Africa will come and be trained.

From what I have heard and seen in the news and also elsewhere, that school will metamorphose into a degree awarding institution. Remember how NDA started, before it was turned into a military university in 1985?

What is the evidence? Is it based on fact? There is nothing indicating any metamorphosis, except for the overly fertile imagination of reporters/commentators who make the lazy but non-factual linkage between a separate college upgrade and the non-continuation of the FUPRE idea.

For me, in order to prevent the total hijack of what's dear to us in the Delta, I will state that every hands must be on deck to ensure that any institution that has oil and gas dealings in its programmes be located in any of the states in the Niger Delta.

Total hijack? Have all the previous years of 'hijack' been based on educational basis? Why do you think that will be the case now? 

This storm of whipped up emotions is not based in reality and I will continue to say it.

Well, we aren't going to wait until the day the CPS becomes a degree awarding institution (along with training managers and executives) before some measure of action is taken.

Lukman's statement in there is instructive enough. Their intentions are very clear as the broad day light and I know what they're driving at. You can wait for your facts from today on end.

By the way, if the FUPRE will not have any counter productive effect on the CPS in Kaduna, why scrap it?

ono:

Well, we aren't going to wait until the day the CPS becomes a degree awarding institution (along with training managers and executives) before some measure of action is taken.

Lukman's statement in there is instructive enough. Their intentions are very clear as the broad day light and I know what they're driving at. You can wait for your facts from today on end.

As long as we agree this is speculation, then you are free to make whatever projections into the future you feel are appropriate.

By the way, if the FUPRE will not have any counter productive effect on the CPS in Kaduna, why scrap it?

It is my view that the two issues are not directly related. The approval from the FEC was for the Kaduna institute, but the cancellation of the FUPRE project was in recognition that another degree awarding institution wasn't what was required in terms of development of manpower for the oil and gas industry.

The scrapping of FUPRE was to prevent creating something that would either gain more attention/funds than PTI thus denying us what we really need (technicians and technologists) and producing even more graduates, which, according to the actual manpower demands in the industry, isn't what we need. That is my understanding of it.

debosky:

It is my view that the two issues are not directly related. The approval from the FEC was for the Kaduna institute, but the cancellation of the FUPRE project was in recognition that another degree awarding institution wasn't what was required in terms of development of manpower for the oil and gas industry.

The scrapping of FUPRE was to prevent creating something that would either gain more attention/funds than PTI thus denying us what we really need (technicians and technologists) and producing even more graduates, which, according to the actual manpower demands in the industry, isn't what we need. That is my understanding of it.

I can't believe you churned out the stuff above. How can the ''funds'' channelled towards the establishment of FUPRE prevent the FG from equipping the PTI for what it was set up to do? This reasoning of yours do not hold water. It's like saying that channelling funds to equip UNILAG will make the FG lose sight of what they set up YABATECH to do. We all know that the two institutions complement each other in educational terms.

As I see it, establishing FUPRE near PTI will make for easier progression of folks with OND/HND/Certificates to earn their degrees and Msc in FUPRE without having to travel several hundreds of kilometeres to the land of the Boko Haram. I see beneficial relationships to both institutions. In the end, we have even more qualified technicians and technologists becoming oil industry engineers. This would totally eradicate the ''half-baked-graduate'' syndrome we're presently experiencing in the country.

Do you work in the oil industry? Except you can put something on the ground here to convince everyone that you really know the staffing levels in the industry, I suggest you keep your ''facts'' to yourself.

ono:

I can't believe you churned out the stuff above. How can the ''funds'' channelled towards the establishment of FUPRE prevent the FG from equipping the PTI for what it was set up to do? This reasoning of yours do not hold any water. It's like saying that channelling funds to equip UNILAG will make the FG lose sight of what they set up YABATECH to do. We all know that the two institutions complement each other in educational terms.

I am not talking about FUNDS - I am talking about FOCUS. There are numerous cases of this happening in our national life before now so I am not making it up.

Let me give a non-related example. A new National Stadium was built in Abuja, and the one in Lagos goes into neglect. New roads are built but existing ones get neglected. . . the craze for establishing new things without focusing on the care fo the existing ones is very real in Nigeria.

As I see it, establishing FUPRE near PTI will make for easier progression of folks with OND/HND/Certificates to earn their degrees and Msc in FUPRE without having to travel several hundreds of kilometeres to the land of the Boko Haram. I see beneficial relationships to both institutions. In the end, we have even more qualified technicians and technologists becoming oil industry engineers. This would totally eradicate the ''half-baked-graduate'' syndrome we're presently experiencing in the country.

That is one approach, and I do not begrudge that.  I don't see why such relationships cannot be forged with UNIPORT, DELSU or other institutions already around. I don't believe you need an exclusive Oil and gas university - it's not really the practice in places like the UK and I'm not sure it's the right approach for us either

Do you work in the oil industry? Except you can put something on the ground here to convince everyone that you really know the staffing levels in the industry, I suggest you keep your ''facts'' to yourself.

I do work in the industry, and can give you 'anecdotal' evidence to start with.

There will always be a higher need for technicians in terms of numbers than engineers, resulting in a 'triangle' of a sort. For example, you may require 1 engineer to supervise 10 technicians on a project, and we are too biased towards producing engineers while we need more technicians.

While there is a sizable demand for graduate engineers and the like, we don't need new institutions to produce them, especially given the number of universities we have on ground employing the well recognised concept of
institutional networking for technological capacity building.

you people are speaking too much english, i advocate the entire oil industry in the ND be shut down or bombed. Let everyone relocate to Kaduna.

debosky:

The scrapping of FUPRE was to prevent creating something that would either gain more attention/funds . . . . . . . . ,

debosky:

I am not talking about FUNDS - I am talking about FOCUS. . . . . . .

There, that's from you - funds and focus together.

You must realise that establishing a Federal University in Delta State at this time will go a long way to heal the wounds inflicted on that state as a result of the absence of one in there. While states like Ogun, Osun, Kaduna and Sokoto can boast of well ''nourished'' federal universities, Delta State, the second largest oil producing state in the country can not boast of any.  I quite agree that setting up institutions should not be based on mere sentiments and the likes. But the Delta State situation is one that really should attract the FG sympathy.

All these is just to let you know that the issue on ground is beyond the mere siting of the institution in Kaduna. There are more issues at stake here which the FG very much is aware of.

I've stated earlier that we need to see the policy document of the CPS Kaduna to really understand the intention of the Yaradua led petroleum ministry. Until then, all that has been said so far are mere speculations. But in all honesty, and sentiments aside, funding the FUPRE at this time and making it work will do far more good than harm to the polity.

ono:

There, that's from you - funds and focus together.

I do, they are interrelated as I explained above.

You must realise that establishing a Federal University in Delta State at this time will go a long way to heal the wounds inflicted on that state as a result of the absence of one in there. While states like Ogun, Osun, Kaduna and Sokoto can boast of well ''nourished'' federal universities, Delta State, the second largest oil producing state in the country can not boast of any.  I quite agree that setting up institutions should not be based on mere sentiments and the likes. But the Delta State situation is one that really should attract the FG sympathy.

I have said I agree with that, so we have the same basic view - let it be done properly and not just on sentiments.

All these is just to let you know that the issue on ground is beyond the mere siting of the institution in Kaduna. There are more issues at stake here which the FG very much is aware of.

Then let us focus on those issues! All I hear is FUPRE everywhere - no talk of infrastructural development or other pressing matters like a remediation plan or the likes.

I've stated earlier that we need to see the policy document of the CPS Kaduna to really understand the intention of the Yaradua led petroleum ministry. Until then, all that has been said so far are mere speculations. But in all honesty, and sentiments aside, funding the FUPRE at this time and making it work will do far more good than harm to the polity.

The Petroleum Technology Development Fund PTDF has stepped up activities towards fast tracking the upgrade of the 16 year old National College of Petroleum Studies, Kaduna into a world class training institution for enhancing the skills and competencies [/b]of senior technical and management personnel in the entire oil and gas industry in Nigeria. The Federal Executive Council recently approved nearly 15 billion Naira contract awards by the PTDF for the project. The Executive Secretary PTDF, Engr. Muttaqha Rabe Darma led a delegation of the Fund to a courtesy visit on the Executive Governor of Kaduna State, Arc.  Mohammed Namadi Sambo to seek his support, cooperation and assistance in ensuring that the project located in Kaduna state is executed and delivered on time. He told the Governor that the project will on completion become the flagship institution for[b] training senior management personnel in the industry to become general management staff and comparable to what the[b] Nigerian Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies[/b] is to the Public Service and the National Defence College to the Military.

The Petroleum Technology Development Fund has so far spent about 17 billion Naira in the educational, organizational and infrastructural upgrade of the Petroleum Training Institute, Effurun, Warri for enhanced training of middle level manpower for the industry.

http://www.ptdf.gov.ng/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=27

Rilwanu Lukman please move you ass and properties from this region fast,

Well, the link will do for now.

But I believe that funding FUPRE and making it work will in no wise harm their good intentions for the CPS, Kaduna.

I think the best thing to do here is to allow the two institutions to grow. No scrapping of the FUPRE and upgrade of their Boko Haram CPS. The funds to do this is very much available - abi?

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Well, the link will do for now.

But I believe that funding FUPRE and making it work will in no wise harm their good intentions for the CPS, Kaduna.

I think the best thing to do here is to allow the two institutions to grow. No scrapping of the FUPRE and upgrade of their Boko Haram CPS. The funds to do this is very much available - abi?

Of course they can both work - all I have said is that I don't believe it was an 'either or' choice between them as has been projected in the media.

Stop calling the CPS Boko Haram jare.