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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:33pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
some mediocre players are playing in Europe today because they were born in Europe or they grew in Europe. Some good players in Africa age,place of birth and nationality factors made them not to play in Europe or big leagues in Europe. Some of our best are in the trenches.

Europe is different from Europe.

Mediocre players can be found mostly in eastern Europe and in second divisions. That's why despite many being born and grew up in Europe, they are still playing in obscure leagues.

However, can you please mention the mediocre player born in Europe in our team? I want to check something. cheesy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 7:38pm On Nov 18, 2022
forgiveness:


Europe is different from Europe.

Mediocre players can be found in eastern Europe and in second divisions. That's why despite many being born and grew up in Europe, they are still playing in obscure leagues.

However, can you please mention the mediocre player born in Europe in our team? I want to check something. cheesy
except Victor moses,all our foreign borns are mediocres. They no reach Okocha,Kanu,Amunike, Osimehn,Oliseh,Ikpeba,Obagoal and Aghahowa

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 7:49pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
some mediocre players are playing in Europe today because they were born in Europe or they grew in Europe. Some good players in Africa age,place of birth and nationality factors made them not to play in Europe or big leagues in Europe. Some of our best are in the trenches.
oga leave emotions and sentiment abeg.

We know a lot of players who grew up in trenches that made it to top europe clubs and leagues

Stop sugar coating in order to suit your sentimental and emotional narrative. Talent no they hide, even the likes of yaya and our own great jay jay just to mention a few started off from obscure leagues but rose to top leagues and clubs and today are regarded among the best from Africa to play the game. Scouts aren’t partial nor sentimental when scouting players to clubs overseas. If you are good and have a good agent/rep nothing will hinder the player from being recommended to good clubs and leagues

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 7:53pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
except Victor moses,all our foreign borns are mediocres. They no reach Okocha,Kanu,Amunike, Osimehn,Oliseh,Ikpeba,Obagoal and Aghahowa
not disputing that but many from the same trenches in our local clubs can’t propel their teams in common caf club competitions

Those you mentioned are rare breed that comes once in a long while. Generations come and go so discovering such huge talents from the trenches doesn’t imply that the same trenches is the only place where talents are surplus

National teams like Argentina went for over 2 decades to unearth another maradona in Lionel Messi

It took Brazil over 3 decades to unearth another goal scoring gem in Ronaldo de Lima after the great Pele

It took France almost 2 decades to hv another platini In zizou

Portugal spent over 3 decades before producing another big talent after eusebio in Figo before the emergence of CR7

And Cameroon over close to half a decade to discover etoo after legendary roger milla

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 7:53pm On Nov 18, 2022
Gents, Ladies, good evening.

As we all know, it's been rather a bad year for our football..At least mostly... we saw shege here and there...But there were also a few positives too.

In light of this, I'd like the thread's opinion as to whether the annual Nairaland Nigeria football fans award should go ahead this year? And if the thread permits,I'd like to organize the award again this year.

Those in support of the award to go ahead, click like...those against should click share.

Thank you


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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:57pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
except Victor moses,all our foreign borns are mediocres. They no reach Okocha,Kanu,Amunike, Osimehn,Oliseh,Ikpeba,Obagoal and Aghahowa

So, you have to raise the bar so tey you mentioned some of our best ever players. grin

Although, Osimhen is not yet in that class but you had to squeeze him in forgetting him and Lookman are among the top goalscorers in Seria A. grin


I don't know if Bassey that made Europa team of the season and still secured a move to Ajax is mediocre according to you. Yes! Bassey is not yet there but he is progressing just like those aforementioned players progressed during their young career.

Is Dresser who won Eredivisie top goalscorers, Europe conference top goalscorer and made Europe conference team also mediocre to you? grin

If not for his age, I don't think he will be in that team.

Is Aribo also mediocre who was arguably part of Rangers success to finals of Eùropa? grin

Which one is mediocre? I want to know precisely.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 8:10pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:


Thanks oohh Zuchyblink. Gracias on this point.

Simple Assignment for the house:

Abeg browse and see for yourself the leagues the likes of Tarek Hamed, Mahmoud Hamada, Ahmed Tawfik, Ali Gabr, and Moh'd Hamdi ply their trades.

Yep, you guessed it. Backwater leagues.

Even Trezeguet is in Turkey.

Old war horse, Ahmed Hegazy formerly of Semi's team, West Brom is now at Al Itthad in Saudi Arabia.

But it is only in Nigeria, that we don't rate players in leagues even more decent than these lots.

Once again, Zuchy, thanks so much. wink


Why not, we should goan invite Iggy back, since he is scoring in backwater leagues

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 8:16pm On Nov 18, 2022
cheesy
do4luv14:



Why not, we should goan invite Iggy back, since he is scoring in backwater leagues
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by damagnificentusb(m): 8:22pm On Nov 18, 2022
forgiveness:


So, you have to raise the bar so tey you mentioned some of our best ever players. grin

Although, Osimhen is not yet in that class but you had to squeeze him in forgetting him and Lookman are among the top goalscorers in Seria A. grin


I don't know if Bassey that made Europa team of the season and still secured a move to Ajax is mediocre according to you. Yes! Bassey is not yet there but he is progressing just like those aforementioned players progressed during their young career.

Is Dresser who won Eredivisie top goalscorers, Europe conference top goalscorer and made Europe conference team also mediocre to you? grin

If not for his age, I don't think he will be in that team.

Is Aribo also mediocre who was arguably part of Rangers success to finals of Eùropa? grin

Which one is mediocre? I want to know precisely.

I think we can still do with some quality FB players in our squad. But what you've just put up there doesn't invalidate zuchy's point. Ok let's compare some of the fb players you mentioned in your post to some of our current homegrown players.

Is Dessers better than osimhen,onuachu,moffi or even olayinka??
Has Aribo been able to outperform someone like Etebo or even a Ramon Azeez in the NT??
we all know chukwueze and simon aren't consistent performers, but has lookman been any better (albeit, during his shot stint with the NT.)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 8:28pm On Nov 18, 2022
Try to dey think first before you raise a point.

Is Iggy better than Osimhen? Is he better than Moffi? Those two alone merit their places and selections in attack so we have no need for, how does Chriskels put it, ABF Iggy. grin

Now to the midfield, can we say the exact same thing we say about our attack? Answer is no so that is why we must look beyond the top 5 leagues.

Be more deductive next time.

do4luv14:



Why not, we should goan invite Iggy back, since he is scoring in backwater leagues

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 8:31pm On Nov 18, 2022
Mister Man, we are talking midfielders and not wingers.

You asked about Etebo, a midfielder and now you don jump go Simon, a winger.

Is it hard for you to just stay within the context of a discussion?

Some of the attributes/parameters I listed are surely needed for other depts of the team but it was majorly focused on Midfield selection. Simple.

do4luv14:




The First casualties of this point raised is M. Simon, can't dribbles out of thigh space, wayward crosses,

Had not watch his Club games, But in GWG, He had been one dimensional, It makes me miss Vicmo

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:33pm On Nov 18, 2022
damagnificentusb:


I think we can still do with some quality FB players in our squad. But what you've just put up there doesn't invalidate zuchy's point. Ok let's compare some of the fb players you mentioned in your post to some of our current homegrown players.

Is Dessers better than osimhen,onuachu,moffi or even olayinka??
Has Aribo been able to outperform someone like Etebo or even a Ramon Azeez in the NT??
we all know chukwueze and simon aren't consistent performers, but has lookman been any better (albeit, during his shot stint with the NT.)


Mediocre is totally different from being average.

The question is, are these aforementioned players mediocre, average or above average?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Stormtrooper11(m): 8:55pm On Nov 18, 2022
Joebie:
Thanks mods for putting me in jail because of my 4-0 “prediction”.

7 things:

1. What happened to that team that flogged São Tomé ?
2. Bright Osayi performed so badly compared to Aina’s SE debut.
3. Onyeka brought his Man City A game.
4. Dennis should be our designated PK taker
5. Moses Simon should get the captains arm band
6. Etebo was so damn confident on the ball that he was spraying passes near the goal post.
7. We improved as the game wore on. We would have gotten back into the game had the PARTIAL ref not ended the game prematurely

Bonus: Peseiro is the best thing to have happened to SE since Rohr

Is this sarcasm?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 9:02pm On Nov 18, 2022
Danielnino00:
Gents, Ladies, good evening.

As we all know, it's been rather a bad year for our football..At least mostly... we saw shege here and there...But there were also a few positives too.

In light of this, I'd like the thread's opinion as to whether the annual Nairaland Nigeria football fans award should go ahead this year? And if the thread permits,I'd like to organize the award again this year.

Those in support of the award to go ahead, click like...those against should click share.

Thank you


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Gents, really gents? cheesy cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 9:02pm On Nov 18, 2022
Kolo Toure is reportedly in line to be named the new manager of Wigan...
Great news if it's true...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 9:05pm On Nov 18, 2022
damagnificentusb:


I think we can still do with some quality FB players in our squad. But what you've just put up there doesn't invalidate zuchy's point. Ok let's compare some of the fb players you mentioned in your post to some of our current homegrown players.

Is Dessers better than osimhen,onuachu,moffi or even olayinka??
Has Aribo been able to outperform someone like Etebo or even a Ramon Azeez in the NT??
we all know chukwueze and simon aren't consistent performers, but has lookman been any better (albeit, during his shot stint with the NT.)
Lookman was like a lonely orphan yesterday grin grin grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 9:08pm On Nov 18, 2022
Danielnino00:


0 likes 6 shares .

Gents, really gents? cheesy cheesy
yes
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 9:09pm On Nov 18, 2022
charlesemeka85:
not disputing that but many from the same trenches in our local clubs can’t propel their teams in common caf club competitions

Those you mentioned are rare breed that comes once in a long while. Generations come and go so discovering such huge talents from the trenches doesn’t imply that the same trenches is the only place where talents are surplus

National teams like Argentina went for over 2 decades to unearth another maradona in Lionel Messi

It took Brazil over 3 decades to unearth another goal scoring gem in Ronaldo de Lima after the great Pele

It took France almost 2 decades to hv another platini In zizou

Portugal spent over 3 decades before producing another big talent after eusebio in Figo before the emergence of CR7

And Cameroon over close to half a decade to discover etoo after legendary roger milla

Oil dey your head sir!!! It took Holland over a decade to have Marco Van Basten after Johan Cryuff!!!!! It took us a long time to find Osimehn after the great Yekini!! Zambia has not found another Kalusha Bwalya, italy has not found worthy successors like Baggio and Del Piero etc

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Daninya33: 9:11pm On Nov 18, 2022

Update: Tomori Should Abandon England, Consider Switching To Nigeria_ Babayaro Cries ���

Tomori was recently excluded from England's World Cup squad by Gareth Southgate despite his impressive for for club AC Milan.

Reacting to the snub, Super Eagles legend, Celestine Babayaro, has advised the player to switch his allegiance to Nigeria while he still has the chance. Fikayo has featured 2 times for the Three Lions despite 8 invitations.

"He is 24 year old and by the next World Cup he will be around 29," told owngoal Nigeria.

"That could work against him but if he wants to have a clear chance if going to the next World Cup, then he has to consider switching to Nigeria. He's still eligible going with the new rules," he concluded.

#NPFLUpdates
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:21pm On Nov 18, 2022
My brother pick the one you agree with and leave the rest for another moniker
Stormtrooper11:


Is this sarcasm?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:23pm On Nov 18, 2022
u know see how dey use short passes carve our defense open again and again.. ?
I was so glad that match ended

M7even:


Why are they all hyping Bright osay. Even in his personal mind he would have realized how badly he flopped. He was allowing that young black Portuguese left back have a field day driving foward at him. Aaah. So confused was he they took his wing for a ride in the first half hence the pressure that led to the cross hitting his other hand. He was stretched and well stretched till the second half. He knows in his mind he definitely was poor.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:25pm On Nov 18, 2022
At least dem for bring in Okoye, make dem share the goals 2-2.
4 goals for one keeper no look good. Peseiro did Uzoho bad.

do4luv14:
Now Joebie, bros prophhad come to pass6, Finally Portugal had won us 4 zero,

And Wonders Am Surprised nobody is saying anything about Uzoho chopping 4, And of its Maduka the Drums of Attack would had been sounding long after the match

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:26pm On Nov 18, 2022
Either way he has one or two World Cups to go.
When Southgate his gone, he will try England again.


Daninya33:

Update: Tomori Should Abandon England, Consider Switching To Nigeria_ Babayaro Cries ���

Tomori was recently excluded from England's World Cup squad by Gareth Southgate despite his impressive for for club AC Milan.

Reacting to the snub, Super Eagles legend, Celestine Babayaro, has advised the player to switch his allegiance to Nigeria while he still has the chance. Fikayo has featured 2 times for the Three Lions despite 8 invitations.

"He is 24 year old and by the next World Cup he will be around 29," told owngoal Nigeria.

"That could work against him but if he wants to have a clear chance if going to the next World Cup, then he has to consider switching to Nigeria. He's still eligible going with the new rules," he concluded.

#NPFLUpdates
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:27pm On Nov 18, 2022
forgiveness:


Moses doesn't have the required defensive capabilities....what? shocked shocked

Most of the players were misplacing passes. Iwobi was the culprit in the first half.

Moses does put up some defensive shifts, but not enough for a 4-4-2 winger. You can study his stats.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 9:29pm On Nov 18, 2022
Na african sides Dey win decent European opponents so,maybe dem carry d game for head sha,make we sef try carry game for head abeg grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 9:30pm On Nov 18, 2022
AndSunGorilla:

Oil dey your head sir!!! It took Holland over a decade to have Marco Van Basten after Johan Cryuff!!!!! It took us a long time to find Osimehn after the great Yekini!! Zambia has not found another Kalusha Bwalya, italy has not found worthy successors like Baggio and Del Piero etc
Italy never even fit get left back and AM like Maldini and totti since the legends retired cheesy

I doubt if Ukraine can produce another world class center forward like the great schevchenko in the next 5 decades

Till date Romania is yet to produce another Hagi

With the look of things with Belgium it will take decades for them to assemble another talented squad that can be compared to their aging golden generation

Same goes to Chile,Uruguay and Spain

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:32pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
except Victor moses,all our foreign borns are mediocres. They no reach Okocha,Kanu,Amunike, Osimehn,Oliseh,Ikpeba,Obagoal and Aghahowa

They are not.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:37pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Try to dey think first before you raise a point.

Is Iggy better than Osimhen? Is he better than Moffi? Those two alone merit their places and selections in attack so we have no need for, how does Chriskels put it, ABF Iggy. grin

Now to the midfield, can we say the exact same thing we say about our attack? Answer is no so that is why we must look beyond the top 5 leagues.

Be more deductive next time.



Na wa for you ooo, you no sabi say nah Joke in response to Egypt beating Belgium with players from backwater league?
And since of of their legend play I. same Saudi with Iggy, why not Iggy nau,

Abi how you see am

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:43pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Try to dey think first before you raise a point.

Is Iggy better than Osimhen? Is he better than Moffi? Those two alone merit their places and selections in attack so we have no need for, how does Chriskels put it, ABF Iggy. grin

Now to the midfield, can we say the exact same thing we say about our attack? Answer is no so that is why we must look beyond the top 5 leagues.

Be more deductive next time.



It should be applied to the whole team as a Rule,
If you said only the mildfielders, what now hapun,
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:49pm On Nov 18, 2022
Our Central Attack no get problem nau. Habamana.

do4luv14:



Na wa for you ooo, you no sabi say nah Joke in response to Egypt beating Belgium with players from backwater league?
And since of of their legend play I. same Saudi with Iggy, why not Iggy nau,

Abi how you see am

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 9:51pm On Nov 18, 2022
THE BEST SUPER EAGLES PLAYER IS AT BEST AN ABOVE-AVERAGE PLAYER.

The supporters/fans needs to bring themselves to terms with this.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:54pm On Nov 18, 2022
I said midfielders because those attributes only apply to midfielders. And trust me, if we run that attribute test, several of our MFs will fall short. Only few will pass the test on the overall weight of having most of the attributes if not all.


Now, If I discuss wingers, defenders (CBs and FBs), GKs and strikers, other attributes not listed will be mentioned as well.

But yes, some attributes listed there for MFs can apply to other depts of the team.

Tu comprends?

do4luv14:



It should be applied to the whole team as a Rule,
If you said only the mildfielders, what now hapun,

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