ChrisKels:


Na mistake I take read am because normally I no dey read anything written with blue ink

dijon:
Oga, this is National team with variety of play style from different clubside...we dont have the liesure of time for Finidi ball aka back pass football.

TheGoodJoe:


We have been in this no time business for decades. Until we stop that no time development and focus on building a good side, we will keep running in circles.

ChrisKels:


Go and sit down abeg

TheGoodJoe:


Spend time on the point on discussion and not the person.

mostob:
This is like the millionth time we will be telling him this. The Spain team he was using as an example had the core of the team playing in the same team FFS. I don't like all this ITK mode of argument. At least listen to other's opinion.

TheGoodJoe:


The Mali team has been training and improving. We have been parking bus since Rohr and not developing our midfield. It will prove difficult to dominate a team like Mali in just two games and few sessions.

mostob:
There is no need for any discussion since you already have it in mind that you're always right. The basis of discussion is open-mindedness.

daveP:
TGJ, the fact is you won't accept that this was a mess by Finidi. A tactical one. He doesn't need to be given time on this kinda scenario. This is a show what you got so we consider you. Trust me, if any tikitaka manager is under that kind of scenario, will you be begging for time for them?? They need how many matches to be considered at National team football level when over a dozen more managers can do it way better than both manager and the system of play?? Be realistic abeg.

Besides the answer you gave has over a dozen Afcon evidence to prove that this is merely flimsy excuse given by you. I don't need to mention them. This football thing is not Guava and Mango abeg. 2games and he needs more time? See his sub management?

TheGoodJoe:


Which one is ITK? The point is simple. Keep building the team and with time result will come in our favour. Give coaches time to get the team playing well. Short cut syndrome has kept us in the same position for decades.

It takes time to get things clicking.

I wonder why such a simple point has turned to it.

charlesemeka85:
if na me be tella, Yusuf or bashiru I go para for finidi seriously

If u no test players for friendlies na for officials games u go risk them?

Na tanimu Abi wetin be em name na wey em rush give chance 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

TheGoodJoe:


I wonder where you got that notion of always right. Maybe I should say sack Finidi and all will be happy.

It is not about being right but pointing the right decisions to make with reasons to back it up.

Finidi showed promise he can get this team to play better. Give him time and we will see result.

TheGoodJoe:


Even Guardiola had it tough in his first season with Manchester City. It takes time to get the team to click. No matter the possession based manager.

daveP:
You need to actually be open to seeing other POV and understanding the points being made. This is basic now!! National team football we talking about here. Is that hard to grasp? That is the lens through which most of us opine here. Abi you think we don't want something like Pep ball too. But where's the time? Besides, we realize it's not the superior system like before. Chai

daveP:
TGJ pls use the lens of national team football


i dey use Heaven beg you


Or do you think most of us here don't want some club football system here too? We don't have such luxury. We don't!!

TheGoodJoe:


Even Guardiola had it tough in his first season with Manchester City. It takes time to get the team to click. No matter the possession based manager.

mostob:
I'm not the only one who is aware of this though. You're known for your rigidity. I admire your intelligence and the way you encourage civility here. However, your biggest flaw is that you believe you're always right.

TheGoodJoe:


Grasp it.

We were doing National team football with Rorh and Peseiro and we did not grow.

Which one is not a superior system. All coaches have studied it and made adaptations to it because of it's superiority. Manchester City just one the treble and won the EPL title multiple times.

Give the team time to develop. There is no quick fix.

TheGoodJoe:


Even National team football will need time and patience to develop. There is no quick fix.

mostob:
Because there is luxury of time for Pep to implement his ideas. Can you say the same with national teams. Pepe trained with the guys like thrice a week so there is enough time to practise, correct and perfect different tactics. How do you expect a national team coach to do that? How? Where is the time?

mostob:
It will need time. Let's say 5 years or more. What do you think would have happened during that time frame? National team football na 'catch and chop'. Just put together one wuruwuru tactic and take the trophy home. That's what matters.

TheGoodJoe:


I don't believe I am always right. I want someone to make concrete reasons why they disagree with me.

daveP:



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You're back to the Man City example again. Can you help it really? We did well under Rohr until we couldn't. Same way there are many managers that used superior system until they were hacked to shreds. Madrid had a system till Chelsea hacked it.


The plea is stop using club examples for this National team football abeg. They are miles apart to start with and secondly, both Do not have the same luxury of time. Especially with NFF and such a overall setup. Hence, be realistic.

TheGoodJoe:


We have been doing wuruwuru but I am seeing no trophies.

mostob:
Europe may be too much. Why not Africa? Even NPFL. But Egunje no go let them rest. See as Taribo that turned himself to Prophet Elijah ontop politics money.

mostob:
The single reason I cited is concrete enough. Take the argument outside this thread and they would tell you the same. But you would never agree because you believe you're always right!!!

TheGoodJoe:


That is what I am saying focus on improving the team and stop looking at the disguise of being pressed with time.

It is being pressed with time that our midfield has been stagnant for over seven years. Is it not better we invested that time into building the team?

mostob:
We could have been patient for 5 years developing one useless tikitaka tactic and miss out totally from many tourneys.