Mickael2:


For goodness sake Arsenal was defending, Iwobi was not inside the box, he was at the edge of the box trying to hold off Laporte which is what a RM does, the FB goes with the WF while the RM sticks with the opposing full back, there is nothing new about it, how is that down to work rate

TheGoodJoe:


They did not have to deal with as much pressure as Iwobi, hence they did not put in as much work rate as Iwobi.

The point is too simple. Iwobi put in more work than most players on that field.

Mickael2:


True, I would have him on 5 with Iwobi but probably becsue he didn't have a direct hand in any goal. Although you could point out his fault for that second goal.

Mickael2:


They did not work half as hard as Iwobi yet they got better defensive numbers than Iwobi. So it is either Iwobi was running around like a headless chicken in defence, all running no end product or Iwobi didn't work hasl as hard as they did. So which one is it??

Don't tell me he was covering spaces, because if you cover spaces you must have at least one interception bro

TheGoodJoe:


Do you know the intense work rate of Sterling and Laporte on that flank? I doubt you have a clue hence you think a decent team would do better as for you.

Answer. If Iwobi’s work rate did not count, why was Silva having acres of space when Iwobi left?

Mickael2:


And yet on top of all that work rate two of the goals came from Iwobi's side.

Mickael2:


Naturally when you are losing and you introduce a player he is there to attack. Not to mention that it is perfectly normal that spaces open up late into every game. Normal stuff

TheGoodJoe:


Were Lacazette and Aubameyang pressing City? You yourself said the City defenders were not tested. We're they tracking back to help the defence? No. But to you they were putting in more work rate than Iwobi who was repeatedly on the hitting end of the attacks.

Leave abeg the young man tried in an Arsenal team who could not deal with the brilliance of the City.

Mickael2:


Naturally when you are losing and you introduce a player he is there to attack. Not to mention that it is perfectly normal that spaces open up late into every game. Normal stuff

Mickael2:


That is entirely down to the coach. He didn't organise the team to press high up the pitch so Auba and Lacazzete will disobey the coach and start pressing high

TheGoodJoe:


Leichsteiner's side. I thought you said Iwobi was not a defender. Now you see the work rate he put in till people are calling it his side.

TheGoodJoe:


They were not pressing they were not defending. You can see why I said Iwobi put in more work rate than them?

Mickael2:


Oga your sentiments worse pass I dey go sleep. But before I go I want to ask you a final question. Do you think Iwobi will make it into any top four team in Spain, England, Italy, Germany or even France? Name the club and tell me the winger there that he is better than

Mickael2:


Oga the right side is their side, a RB and a RM occupies the right side. One marks the opposing winger while the other marks the opposing full back. So. It is Iwobi's side na. And they conceded twice, so how is that a good thing for Iwobi??

TheGoodJoe:


Will Lacazette make it?

Mickael2:


Does that change my point that Iwobi is an average player?

TheGoodJoe:


Lichtsteiner 4/10 | Both goals from crosses on his side. Woefully caught out of position for the City second. Nowhere near good enough.
https://www.arsenalstation.com/2019/02/03/player-ratings-man-city-3-1-arsenal-lichtsteiner-iwobi-woeful-for-gunners/

TheGoodJoe:


Lichtsteiner 4/10 | Both goals from crosses on his side. Woefully caught out of position for the City second. Nowhere near good enough.
https://www.arsenalstation.com/2019/02/03/player-ratings-man-city-3-1-arsenal-lichtsteiner-iwobi-woeful-for-gunners/

You can see it was not Iwobi’s side. Iwobi was forced to help an under performance Lichtsteiner who had no idea of how to deal with the attacks of City.

Mickael2:


Iwobi got 4.5 too. OK Lichsteiner was worse than him, so he was not the worst player on the pitch, he was the second worst player on the pitch. Why didn't you post the entire ratings??

TheGoodJoe:


Lichtsteiner 4/10 | Both goals from crosses on his side. Woefully caught out of position for the City second. Nowhere near good enough.
https://www.arsenalstation.com/2019/02/03/player-ratings-man-city-3-1-arsenal-lichtsteiner-iwobi-woeful-for-gunners/

You can see it was not Iwobi’s side. Iwobi was forced to help an under performance Lichtsteiner who had no idea of how to deal with the attacks of City.

Mickael2:


Bro it was Iwobi's side, read Iwobi's rating from the same website you referenced.

Back to my goodnight question, does this in anyway mean that Iwobi is not average??

TheGoodJoe:


I did not say Iwobi was brilliant. I pointed out why and explained it was down to the brilliance of City.

The point is too simple. Iwobi will get the poor rating because of losing that ball.

TheGoodJoe:


Time will judge that one. So far this season, Iwobi has been one of the bright stars for Arsenal.

Mickael2:


Here is the ratings for Iwobi, Lacazzete and Auba from the same site. Note: Lacazzete worked his socks off. Nothing was mentioned about Iwobi working hard.

Iwobi 4.5/10 | At fault for the early opener after giving away possession cheaply and offered very little going forward.

Lacazette 6.5/10 | Worked his socks off in the first half but tired after the break. Very little to feed off in the box.

Aubameyang 5/10 | No service at all. Close to getting in behind a couple of times but the pass was just too strong.

Mickael2:


Is he average or not??

Mickael2:


OK let us come back. So two goals went in through Iwobi's side, Iwobi blatantly caused one of the goals while Lichsteiner was at fault for not tracking Sterling. So that means factually Iwobi caused one goal and Iwobi caused the other, so what is all this rubbish about work rate??

Mickael2:


Is he average or not??

andrew444:


Which Epl tempo ? Mtscheew

Suarez is coming from the best league in the world so stop making Epl special

Suarez can't make city team because there are betters players than him

TheGoodJoe:


Thank you. Also, did anyone notice that as soon as Iwobi left the field, David Silva had acres of space to cause damage. It was just that we did not take our chances.

People are tagging Iwobi as poor but there was something which he did well. His work rate was high and he helped the defence a lot.

I do not think it was a case of Iwobi being poor but Manchester City having a phenomenal game. They were brilliant today.

The cry for Ozil and Ramsey is another misconception. These guys can not play with the kind of intensity Emery wants. Apart from Toreira and Guendozi, Iwobi was the person I noticed in the Arsenal side put phenomenal work rate.

Apart from Toreira and Guendozi, the whole team looked average. I think that is enough sign to cut Iwobi some slack.

Finally, Dennis Suarez could not cause much damage too.

TheGoodJoe:


How many times did you see Aubameyang and Lacazette in defence? It was Iwobi doing that. Will attempted tackles show how many times they were in defence.

Arsenal team were blown away due to Manchester City's brilliance. Not Iwobi.

The point is too simple.

Finito.