presido1:

Arsenal was lucky Ando did not get the chance to partner Fletcher in that midfield.

That's the only 'unlucky' schiznit on the day.

I guess Fergie reserved Ando's energy for the coming games cos Cesc was not available.
Anderson woulda played better than Giggs.
Arsenal cannot beat a United team with Ando-Fletch-Carrick starting.

debosky:

That's the sad reality of Arsenal fans at the moment - there's always some magical solution to the problems - 'experience', more players, etc. And of course, losing a game means we are going to collapse and the entire season will be over before we even know it. Someone even suggested protesting and walking out of a game to make sure the referees don't make bad decisions against us.

Are you going to try to act like this hasn't worked at Arsenal and elsewhere??
Denilson has accumulated 63 Arsenal appearances . . . are you telling me you've not seen how the experience has helped him??
Bendtner has over 150 club career caps, Djourou(87), Song (78), Walcott (106) all with Arsenal. . . we've seen how experience has helped shape these youngsters

Now what concerned Arsenal fans have been saying is simple . . . why grow these players when we can just just bring in  the experience?? Like we did with Arshavin??
Do we really need to go trophyless while the other teams get a 4-year headstart??
You call it magic, to me and the a mojority of the fans, it's a flipping no-brainer.

At the end of the day Wenger still needs experienced hands on deck, but he's decided to spend five years getting 'em.

Apparently, Ando is not on top of his game right now. SAF made the perfect line-up. The energy of Fletcher, the intelligence of carrick, and the bursting paces of Nani and Valencia. That combination is unbeatable.

@Sauron
4-3-3??
Who were your full backs?? Nani and JS Park??
Cus I'm quite sure they did more defending than Verminator

@Sauron
All this is down to a dubious penalty awarded by Dean and a moment of madness from Diaby.
I would be embarassed if I were Fergie at being played off the park at Old Toilet
Not in the mood for any debate.
we have lost 1-2 and have moved on
But,Keep playing mediocre players like Nani,Valencia and co(and keep deluding yourself that they were fantastic)
Like I said, Dean won't be officiating your matches every week and u wont have Diaby scoring own goals.

eldee:

@Sauron
4-3-3??
Who were your full backs?? Nani and JS Park??
Cus I'm quite sure they did more defending than Verminator

It was 4-3-3. . . . . .United matched Arsenal's formation.
Nani and Valencia on the flanks with Rooney as the centre forward.
Giggs, Fletcher and Carrick in the midfield and the back four.
Unlike Wenger, SAF knows he needs a good defence to win titles.

ndumart:

Apparently, Ando is not on top of his game right now. SAF made the perfect line-up. The energy of Fletcher, the intelligence of carrick, and the bursting paces of Nani and Valencia. That combination is unbeatable.

Ando woulda done a better job than Giggsy on the night(there's no question about that).

In a counter-attack, Giggsy was passing the ball back to allow Arsenal regroup and defend in numbers.
Giggsy didn't start playing until the penalty incident and against a quality side, we woulda paid for it.
In a 3-man midfield, it's no brainer. . . . .Ando-Carrick-Fletcher are the ebst combo.
I cannot count the number of times this triumvirate have raped Arsenal. . . . .

HNIC:

@Sauron
All this is down to a dubious penalty awarded by Dean and a moment of madness from Diaby.

Dubious penalty? So you are saying Rooney dived and Almunia didn't touch him at all?
How was this incident different to Arsenal's penalty in 2006 when KitKat upended Adebayor at OT?
Must you blame others for your club's ineptitude?

I would be embarassed if I were Fergie at being played off the park at Old Toilet
Not in the mood for any debate.

Embarrassed after 3 points?
Played off the park at OT? Have u seen the match stats?
The only thing you racked more than United were the yellow cards. . . . .Eboue diving and Song making cynical tackles.
United had more shots on target. . . . . .It was so glaring that United edged it in the 2nd half. . . . .Even Evra had a crisp shot on goal.

we have lost 1-2 and have moved on

Don't move on. . . . . .stay there at OT and keep wondering what got into Diaby's head.

But,Keep playing mediocre players like Nani,Valencia and co(and keep deluding yourself that they were fantastic)

Nani and Valencia are better than anything Arsenal have to offer in the attack.
Bendtner, Van Persie and Eduardo are piles of self-service. . . . .They are not good enough.
Adebayor has copped 3 goals in 3 league games. . . . .Rooney has5 goals in 5 games(including the shield). . . .Drogba is firing.
Your strikers have nada.

Like I said, Dean won't be officiating your matches every week and u wont have Diaby scoring own goals.

If Diaby doesn't score own goals, Silvestre or Clichy would.
Gibbs will even slip again to gift your opponents another goal.
The whole Arsenal team reeks of mediocrity.

@HNIC

Nani and Valencia would play week-in week-out if the were to be in Arsenal.

ndumart:

Apparently, Ando is not on top of his game right now. SAF made the perfect line-up. The energy of Fletcher, the intelligence of carrick, and the bursting paces of Nani and Valencia. That combination is unbeatable.

Should move this to the joke section
Nani and valencia looked like Championship players
Come to think of it, Mcgeady  caused us more problems than those two mediocres
The win  was just paper over some cracks.
Just that manure fans always delude themselves.
More Burnley type defeats await that team!

ndumart:

@HNIC

Nani and Valencia would play week-in week-out if the were to be in Arsenal.

they won't play in our CC side, never mind league.
You think football is about having curly hair like Wacko Jacko

HNIC:

@Sauron
All this is down to a dubious penalty awarded by Dean and a moment of madness from Diaby.

Pls whatz dubious about the penalty? Did we watch the same game?

HNIC:

they won't play in our CC side, never mind league.
You think football is about having curly hair like Wacko Jacko

Nani won't play in your CC side of course. . . . . .He is better than any winger in Arsenal.
He so disgraced Arsenal some seasons ago, Wenger was crying he was show-boating.

Nani has 2 league titles and 1 UCL title in 2 seasons.
His record is better than Arsene Wenger who is yet to win anything in Europe as a manager.

HNIC:

they won't play in our CC side, never mind league.

Now u are becoming too funny. If Nani is in your team Diaby(Own Goal Specialist) for don put in transfer request.

Arsenal Tormentor.

@HNIC

As far as pride is concerned, I would rather lose to a burnley than lose to Arsenal

presido1:

Now u are becoming too funny. If Nani is in your team Diaby(Own Goal Specialist) for don put in transfer request.

Diaby, Rosicky, Walcott and Nasri woulda put in their transfer requests.
Arsenal fans are deluded. . . . .They claimed they played the better football on Saturday but statistics proved em wrong again.
If United were so shitty and they still managed to beat Arsenal with their shit then Wenger should be worried.

In 2007/8, United copped 5 points out of the first 12 points.
In 2008/9, United copped 5 points out of the first 12 points.
In 2009/10, United copped 9 points out of the first 12 points.

I am HAPPY.

Blimey,I never knew this thread was this alluring and attractive,the scummies actually intend to take it over

funny, he made this mistake over 5 times last season, lol, anyways, I dont see him as the problem.

We dont need 5 Vieiras, we need just one. And it doesnt have to be Vieira, it just has to be an experienced and strong willed DM!

Which of the goals came as a result of a 'strong willed' DM?  

Someone once told me that you cant keep doing the same thing all the time and expect a different result. Its what Arsene has been doing over 2 seasons now, sacrificing youth for experience and he expects a different result. It just wont happen.

Wow so sacrificing 'experience' is what led to us scoring an own goal?  

Funny thing is, apart from Giggs and Scholes, United have also changed their entire team from the Champs league winning side yet they have won 2/3 titles plus a CL after that!

What relevance does this have to the game at hand? Still not one piece of evidence indicating how these reasons of yours have any bearing on the loss yesterday. Funny I didn't hear cries for 'experience' when we beat Everton 5-1. As always, doom messages come out once we lose a game, regardless of the reason.

Anyways, I ddnt wanna say anything till tuesday after the deadline, I just had to break my silence after reading people's thoughts on the forthcoming City game. I still maintain that we will beat City come 12th of September!

Your comments are an overall assessment of Arsenal - i.e we need a 'strong willed' DM and 'experience'. But with due respect, those are not the issues that led to the problems of the previous match. If you can't see that then you are too ingrained in your viewpoint to perceive reality.

Calling the goals scored by United mistakes is also somewhat funny cant we also say the Arshavin goal was a goalkeeping error?

Arshavin's shot could not be stopped - Foster got a hand to it but it was too powerful to save. Go ask Pepe Reina from last season. The goals Utd scored are clearly mistakes, unless an own goal which was NEVER going in is not comparable to being beaten by an outstanding shot.  

The fact is, they scored one more than us plus the RVP goal was pure offside, there's nothing to debate on that. Gallas was clearly offside.

This is debatable - he was offside, but he could be interpreted to be 'not interfering with play'. That is what the offside rule says. Given that the defender cleared the ball and Gallas did not touch the ball nor block anyone in the build up to the goal, it could be regarded as a goal. The only 'saving grace' as it were was the fact that the flag was up from the beginning.

Anyways, I still believe and I reiterate that the Arsenal first 11 (or even first 14 add Eboue, Walcott and Nasri to the starters this season) will beat any team this season including Chelsea! The consistency to do that is what I am not sure we have. I hope they prove me wrong!

A few minutes ago we cannot beat Utd, Chelski and Liverpool. . . make up your mind dude.

debosky:

This is debatable - he was offside, but he could be interpreted to be 'not interfering with play'. That is what the offside rule says. Given that the defender cleared the ball and Gallas did not touch the ball nor block anyone in the build up to the goal, it could be regarded as a goal. The only 'saving grace' as it were was the fact that the flag was up from the beginning.

Are you a blind bat?

William Gallas contesting the ball with United defenders is 'not interfering with play'?
Assuming Gallas wasn't there at all. . . .Would Evra have headed the ball where Van Persie and Eduardo tucked the ball into the net or just allow it to bounce and play a back pass to his goal-keeper?

Gallas was clearly OFFside and interfered with play. He jumped for the ball and the decision was 100% correct.

presido1:

Pls whatz dubious about the penalty? Did we watch the same game?

So, u are saying Rooney didn't dive
Typical scummie.
Rooney is  a cheat!
2nd time, he's diving against arsenal at OT to get a penalty

~Sauron~:



Dubious penalty? So you are saying Rooney dived and Almunia didn't touch him at all?
How was this incident different to Arsenal's penalty in[b] 2006 when KitKat upended Adebayor at OT[/b]?
Must you blame others for your club's ineptitude?

Shrek is a cheat
We were still discussing it here on Friday, not knowing he would do it 24 hours later
He was on his way down before Almunia touched him
Pundits believe he was clever and Eduardo was unclever.
It's still diving!

~Sauron~:

Nani and Valencia are better than anything Arsenal have to offer in the attack.
Bendtner, Van Persie and Eduardo are piles of self-service. . . . .They are not good enough.
Adebayor has copped 3 goals in 3 league games. . . . .Rooney has5 goals in 5 games(including the shield). . . .Drogba is firing.
Your strikers have nada.

I am shocked this can be coming from u
Which EPL side has scored more goals than the Arsenal side?
Leave our strikers alone, they will score when it's time.
I will rather have a team that has scored 11 goals in 3 EPL matches, than having one player scoring al the goals for my team!
That manure team is crap.
You can't go far with such mediocre players!

@Debosky
I think you are being over objective.Vidic faced bans on at least two occasions and we all know Rio's issues he missed at least a month.As for Chelsea i'm sure you saw how well they coped without Carvalho for stretches.Alex is Chelsea's backup but would easily start at Arsenal
Wait did i hear u say CB's can play every game? CB'S cannot play every game Debosky!! It is this Wengernomic perception that has kept us trophyless for 4 seasons!! Injuries and suspensions would come and only a naive manager would not prepare for such eventualities and with backups like Djourou and Silvestre pardon me but all i see is another trophyless season.A Bassong,Taylor would make better backups than a Djourou,Silvestre and that's a cold hard fact
As for Given he is better than Almunia that one is not even debatable

What I meant was to counter the ridiculous assertion by proudly that the CB's would be kaput by January as if they are not supposed to play 30+ games per season! I am not in doubt that we need one new CB, but that is only if Senderos leaves. Senderos, Djourou and *gulp* Silvestre can cover us - the key is keeping your first choice pair.

We need subs but not necessarily much better than what we have at the moment. Recall Pascal Cygan played 18 games in the unbeaten season and I'd wager Senderos and Djourou are better than he was.

PS:I'd rather wail now than at the business end of the season and you really have to start blaming Wenger and not the fans for this rubbish we didnt ask him to lead us through 4 seasons of trophylessness

Let's see enough evidence before we start wailing. 10 games and the end of the transfer window, not crying unrealistically over a loss that could happen to anyone due to a couple of uncharacteristic mistakes.

To the scumtwats - I'm going to enjoy some sunlight. . . I'll be back for y'all.  

debosky:

This is debatable - he was offside, but he could be interpreted to be 'not interfering with play'. That is what the offside rule says. Given that the defender cleared the ball and Gallas did not touch the ball nor block anyone in the build up to the goal, it could be regarded as a goal. The only 'saving grace' as it were was the fact that the flag was up from the beginning.

Don't shot yourself dude, Gallas was offside b4 the goal and the flag was up so what is debatable about the offside call. How can u regard it as a goal u better say itz an offside goal which cannot be regarded as a goal unless mistakenly allowed by the ref.

presido1:

Don't shot yourself dude, Gallas was offside b4 the goal and the flag was up so what is debatable about the offside call. How can u regard it as a goal u better say itz an offside goal which cannot be regarded as a goal unless mistakenly allowed by the ref.

Offside but not interfering with play - the linesman could've decided to keep his flag down till if and when Gallas got involved in play. It seems you don't have a good grasp of the offside rule.

I am saying it could've been called otherwise, but due to the way it was called, we cannot say there was some 'conspiracy' against us.

debosky:

Offside but not interfering with play - the linesman could've decided to keep his flag down till if and when Gallas got involved in play. It seems you don't have a good grasp of the offside rule.
I am saying it could've been called otherwise, but due to the way it was called, we cannot say there was some 'conspiracy' against us.

Your argument hold no water at all, the ball was intended for Gallas and not RVP as RVP was no where near the ball. Ok u want the linesman to wait till Gallas make contact with the ball b4 he flag?

HNIC:

So, u are saying Rooney didn't dive

As you claimed on Utaka and Gallas incident that every footie pundit has said that Utaka tripped himself and u believed on what they said. Pls can you quote any punta that said it was not a penalty, Diff stroke when it comes to United huh if not i don't know why u are still on it when everybody know itz a stonewall pen.

Typical scummie.

Your Favourite line whenever u are losing it. I knew this long ago.

debosky:

Offside but not interfering with play - the linesman could've decided to keep his flag down till if and when Gallas got involved in play. It seems you don't have a good grasp of the offside rule.

I am saying it could've been called otherwise, but due to the way it was called, we cannot say there was some 'conspiracy' against us.

Dobosky you are letting me down.
Wasn't Gallas involved in the move?? Or am I missing something?

presido1:

Your arguement hold no water at all, the ball was intended for Gallas and not RVP as RVP was no where near the ball. Ok u want the linesman to wait till Gallas make contact with the ball b4 he flag?

Debosky is an idiot these days. . . . . .

The ball was meant for Gallas. . . . .It was the knock back from Evra that brought RVP/Eduardo into the passage of play.
Once Gallas was ahead of United's defence-line the moment the ball was kicked to him. . . . .He was OFFSIDE.
Debosky cannot interpret the OFFside rule. . . . . .Pathetic.

@ HNIC,

Shouldn't you be ashamed that a team of mediocre players beat you?
United are mediocre and yet they have stopped your team from winning any title for the past 5 years.
By May 2010, it will be 6 YEARS since Arsenal won the league.

debosky,
Arsenal vs Hull, FA Cup last season.
Gallas' winning goal.
Offside or not?

Sauron,
I have a question for you.
If Arsenal,suposedly superior,cannot beat a supposedly shitty team as  they claim United were,what does that make them.
Shame on you gunners who go by the superiority argument.
At least debosky hasn't brought his usual junk to our thread.
Thank God for that!

And while we're still on the dubious subject,anyone remembers a certain Robert pires dive vs Portsmouth @Highbury,on their way to their so-called 49-unbeaten?
Dubious is a term I associate with Arsenal.Going way back

Injuries and suspensions would come a[b][/b]nd only a naive manager would not prepare for such eventualities and with backups like Djourou and Silvestre pardon me but all i see is another trophyless season

A40 Nailed it. You are my Gayyner of the month.
Though you are still Gay, You are still the best of the Gay lots

Eastbay:

Sauron,
I have a question for you.
If Arsenal,suposedly superior,cannot beat a supposedly shitty team as  they claim United were,what does that make them.

They are a shit team. . . . . . .It's now 3 victories back to back(if you add the 2 legs of the UCL semis)

Shame on you gunners who go by the superiority argument.
At least debosky hasn't brought his usual junk to our thread.
Thank God for that!

Only an idiot will compare the United team to a diabolical Arsenal who haven't won anything in 5 years.

And while we're still on the dubious subject,anyone remembers a certain Robert pires dive vs Portsmouth @Highbury,on their way to their so-called 49-unbeaten?
Dubious is a term I associate with Arsenal.Going way back

Don't even go to 2003/4 season. . . . . .Eboue and Eduardo dived within a space of 3 days.

~Sauron~:

Diaby, Rosicky, Walcott and Nasri woulda put in their transfer requests.
Arsenal fans are deluded. . . . .They claimed they played the better football on Saturday but statistics proved em wrong again.
If United were so shitty and they still managed to beat Arsenal with their shit then Wenger should be worried.

In 2007/8, United copped 5 points out of the first 12 points.
In 2008/9, United copped 5 points out of the first 12 points.
In 2009/10, United copped 9 points out of the first 12 points.

I am HAPPY.

I keep seeing this "after-the game" delusional analysis. We gifted you the game.

Ass-anal fans must always have something to complain about'
Referee last saturday but I didnt see them complain when another ref gave Fletcher a non existent red card last season CL semi finals

Its like GAYYners here are competing for who would give the most ridiculous excuse. Pathetic Bunch

David,

Arsenal willingly gave Scummies the game because Gayyners dont want the league. They are content with Emirate cup

I thought debosky was an irritant,saying all his crap on United's thread.
I came here only to read that I  was wrong:he's a confirmed/certified looney.Everywhere he goes.
Gallas wasn't involved in the build-up to the disallowed goal.How does he get allowed to even watch football?

~Sauron~:

Don't even go to 2003/4 season. . . . . .Eboue and Eduardo dived within a space of 3 days.

They want to make it sound like we're cheats.I did that just to show how underhanded they themselves are.And of course,Mr. Peeping-tom had nothing to say about it.but you're right-2 dives in 3 days.
Now he's indirectly attacking Fletcher.If he's honest with himself,he'll admit that the Arshavin penalty might have been given if Eduardo didn't ballerina-twirl to the ground 3 days ago.
As for HNIC,I'm not surprised he's calling the Rooney penalty dubious.He's seen so much diving from his team to think that every fall in the box is a dive.

davidylan:

I keep seeing this "after-the game" delusional analysis. We gifted you the game.

Gifted? I wouldn't mind such gifts at the Emirates later in the season.
How can you gift your title rivals 3 points just like that?
Considering the fact that you have not won the league in 5 years, i think Wenger should be sacked.