nynbrada:
To begin with, please if it is possible always try to make your Op as brief and concisce as possible. This long epistle of yours always get me bored and discouraged to want to read through and respond to your critique of biblical issues. What?? For heaven sake is this a scholary/academic piece for a masters or Phd programm.

very correct.

Good.

Very wrong.

Definist fallacy at play here.

From what you just implied, it is obvious that you've got a very poor understanding of what the concept of faith entails and also you ended up contradicting your definition of faith ab initio.

Now let me help you out with what faith is, seeing you are a carnal man untrained on the issues of faith, hence an impostor trying to occupy a position of authority on an issue, that he is nothing but a charlatan.

Just so you know, in christianity, faith is a virture that is employed by man to access a distinct realm of life that transcends his natural world. A virture that is anchored on a belief in a supreme/divine being who is Omniscient,Omnipresent and Omnipotent. The essence of being, he in whom the whole essence of life, seeing and unseeing is contained in.

Now the above inference, is a preamble designed to set the tone for you to understand the unnatural/unseen mechanics/element that is responsible for the impelling and impestus that drives the Christian man to want to reach out to the realm that is beyond his natural world. This element is the constituent nature of the afformentioned being. Seeing he has the capacity/capability to do for man things, that man naturally may not be able to do for himself.

Having layed this foundation, let now define faith from a Christian/Scriptural perspective.

Heb 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - KJV.

In laymans language this scriptural definition of faith can be simply rephrased as,,,,,...

- Being sure of things we are hoping or expecting from God with a sense of certainity that, though we can't see those things yet with our physical eye, yet they exist and are real because our God has the capability and capacity to bring them about just as he has promised.

So Johnydon get it, faith in Christian perspective means taking God by his word and being rest assured that he(God) will play his own part by bringing about those things that he has promised.

So finally faith is not about an emotion, which drives the conviction to be stuck whether it is true or not as you have erroneuosly purported.



Hogwash. Definist fallacy as usual.

Secondly, faith is not a virture for deductive reasoning, but rather it is designed for accessing the spiritual nebulous. Hence, a fallacy of inconsistent comparision on your part.



Trash.

Fallacy of false analogy/misleading vividness.

Anyone engaging in such deductive reasoning is only embarking on a journey of Tom Foolery and self inflicted ignorance.

As earlier said, faith is not a tool for investigating the natural world but rather the spiritual realm.

ValentineMary:

Once u said "Faith is a virtue" I knew u were going to spill trash.

nynbrada:


You will do well to explain yourself. Rather than this lean and dry intellectual muscle flexing from you.

U earlier said faith prompts a vision/understanding of something yet unseen right? can't this be based on one's imagination
Faith is the act of filling up ur ignorance with an imaginary thing against all other evidence. How can this be a virtue? it is rather an intellectual vice.

How can we be certain of God's existence rather than just having faith that he is omnipotent, omnipresent and. perfect when even his holy books contradicts these properties

ValentineMary:

U earlier said faith prompts a vision/understanding of something yet unseen right? can't this be based on one's imagination
Faith is the act of filling up ur ignorance with an imaginary thing against all other evidence. How can this be a virtue? it is rather an intellectual vice.

How can we be certain of God's existence rather than just having faith that he is omnipotent, omnipresent and. perfect when even his holy books contradicts these properties

nynbrada:


Trash.

Another dumb question and reasoning from them perennial atheists retaaaaards. The self professing free poo thinkers.

I had effortlessly debunked the Op for its DNAed "definist fallacy", then comes another cloned "Bimbo" regurgitating the same fallacies all over.

And what?? You actually expect me to start arguing with you back and forth on what faith is and is not. After i had succintly explained what faith is from a Christian/scriptural perspective.

Quoting from the Bible to give a scriptural definition of it and even paraphrasing it in laymans language for any would be reader to understand.

Then it is obvios that you are suffering from chronic low comprehension disorder,,........like i was even expecting any of them pillock to have a grasp of it in the first place.

And to even think that you had the temerity to come up with that lame and infantile pillif of the bible contradicting Gods constituent nature,,,,leele, so i should start engaging a harbinger of terminnal cognitive distortion on a mundane merry-go-round about whether God is good/perfect.....then they will come up with their demonic customized line,,,......if God is good/perfect/all powerful,,... why are so many destitute children dying in hunger all over the world,,....why didn't he stop the tsunami catastrophe in Asia,,,...why will he burn his creation in hell for not worshiping him, after he gave them free will,,...bla,,bla,..bla,...why did he allow buhari to come to power,,,why did he allow nepa to take light,,,bla,,,,,......bla,....mtcheeeeeeew!

Pack go one side joor, i get more important thing to do, than to come engage d*ck head of your type.

malvisguy212:
sooo many things, I cannot named it. God has been Good to me. I would've been dead long time ago, by His Grace am alive.

malvisguy212:
sooo many things, I cannot named it. God has been Good to me. I would've been dead long time ago, by His Grace am alive.

johnydon22:


Express lunacy of professed faith.
E.G one that is very ill and is in the hospital placed on life support.

Doctor: how are you feeling today?
Patient: I am good God's grace is keeping me alive.
Doctor: oh really then there is no need for the life support then let me remove it.
Patient: Nooooooo you want to kill me?
Doctor: but i thought God's grace is the one keeping you alive not the life support.
Patient: Uuuhm it's a [b]metaphor[\b]

nynbrada:
[s]

Gargantuan heap of trash.

Root cause:

Definist Fallacy.

Solution:

- The lot of you Atheist here should go and give you life to Christ and stop deceiving yourselves.

Next,,.......

ValentineMary:

O boy go sleep u no get anything to say. Engaging u would be a waste of time.

malvisguy212:
The Christian life is more than a life of blind trust. It is a life of rational examination that challenges each of us to evaluate the evidence, form a conclusion and then share that conclusion with the world around us. Let’s examine the Biblical model of evidential faith:
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO USE THEIR
MIND>>>>"You shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart, and with all your soul, and
with all your mind. This is the great and
foremost commandment." ( Matthew 22:37-38)

When we examine our world and the
evidence for the existence of God, we are
worshipping God with our mind.it's either we
love God with our mind or reject him, it's a
choice.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO UNDERSTAND
EVIDENCE>>>>Acts 17:31
31 because He has fixed a day in which
He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished PROOF to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
The Greek word used for "proof" in Acts
17:31 is "pistis". The word is derived
from "peitho" which is a Greek verb that
means "to convince by argument" that
something is either true or false.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO EXAMINE THEIR
BELIEF>>>>1 Thessalonians
5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But EXAMINE everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good…
God wants us to know what we believe
and why we believe it. We’re not called to
numbly trust everything that might be taught in
our world today.Skepticism is important to the
Christian faith; skepticism causes us to examine what we believe and search for the
evidence that confirms our beliefs. God honors this kind of skepticism because He knows that it leads to a deeper faith in Him. There is a place for skepticism in the life of the Christian because it causes us to "examine the Scriptures daily".
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE CONVINCED OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE>>>>2 Timothy 3:14
14 You, however, continue in the things you
have learned and become CONVINCED of,
knowing from whom you have learned them.

Conviction is the result of certainty, and certainty is the result of evidential confidence. We are called to be convinced by mastering the evidence that supports what we believe. The Christians life is not one of "wishful
thinking" or "hope in the unreasonable". It is a
life of certainty, grounded in the evidence.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE CASE
MAKER>>>>1 Peter 3:15
15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;
Once we have examined the evidence and have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true, we are called to be ready to make a strong defense for what we believe.
IN CONCLUSION;
Christians can be "case makers" precisely
because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we, as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God, or He is not.
Salvation comes through Christ alone (as Jesus
Himself maintained), or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal preference or
wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.
https://www.nairaland.com/2148108/christian-faith-based-upon-evidence

nynbrada:


Trash.

Another dumb question and reasoning from them perennial atheists retaaaaards. The self professing free poo thinkers.

I had effortlessly debunked the Op for its DNAed "definist fallacy", then comes another cloned "Bimbo" regurgitating the same fallacies all over.

And what?? You actually expect me to start arguing with you back and forth on what faith is and is not. After i had succintly explained what faith is from a Christian/scriptural perspective.

Quoting from the Bible to give a scriptural definition of it and even paraphrasing it in laymans language for any would be reader to understand.

Then it is obvios that you are suffering from chronic low comprehension disorder,,........like i was even expecting any of them pillock to have a grasp of it in the first place.

And to even think that you had the temerity to come up with that lame and infantile pillif of the bible contradicting Gods constituent nature,,,,leele, so i should start engaging a harbinger of terminnal cognitive distortion on a mundane merry-go-round about whether God is good/perfect.....then they will come up with their demonic customized line,,,......if God is good/perfect/all powerful,,... why are so many destitute children dying in hunger all over the world,,....why didn't he stop the tsunami catastrophe in Asia,,,...why will he burn his creation in hell for not worshiping him, after he gave them free will,,...bla,,bla,..bla,...why did he allow buhari to come to power,,,why did he allow nepa to take light,,,bla,,,,,......bla,....mtcheeeeeeew!

Pack go one side joor, i get more important thing to do, than to come engage d*ck head of your type.

Oluwaseytiano:
If I told some theists that I believe Superman exists just becos I read his comics, they would laff at me

nynbrada:

Gargantuan heap of trash.
Root cause:
Definist Fallacy.
Solution:
- The lot of you Atheist here should go and give you life to Christ and stop deceiving yourselves.
Next,,.......

Immorttal:
your comments are littered with hate speech and derogatory remarks indirectly inviting unecessary abuse. You are a supposed christian right?

nynbrada:


Sanctimonious b*st*rd. Stop playing the victims card.

I guess it is the Atheist that has got an exclusive right in employing and hauling vitrolics and all sort of caustic descriptors at my God, the Bible, Christians and Christianity at large. Why we Christians sit on our hands and watch you guy have fun. Pele.

E just dey start, na go hear am.

nynbrada:


Sanctimonious b*st*rd. Stop playing the victims card.

I guess it is the Atheist that has got an exclusive right in employing and hauling vitrolics and all sort of caustic descriptors at my God, the Bible, Christians and Christianity at large. Why we Christians sit on our hands and watch you guy have fun. Pele.

E just dey start, na go hear am.

dblackninja:


This got me laughing. Have you been a trash master before?

You cancelled the OP, please in a summary what does the word faith imply,

and what do you mean by giving a life to christ??

nynbrada:

Guess you are the trash slave,

Master of selective blindness, i'm pretty sure you didn't see my first post. Go read it through and help yourself.

When you pass your sojourn on Earth here without recieving him, you will find out the meaning.

receiving

Immorttal:
was trying to call you to order to focuse on the thread.A qualitative arguement was going on prior to your irrational hostility.

I see Atheist's as intelligent beings who refrain from unmeaning name callings. *bows out*

johnydon22:


You see someone venting the word "trash trash trash" like its rap music and you expect to have a good sensible discussion with such a person?

Lmao bad idea.

That'd be a total waste of precious time and intellectual morsels.

nynbrada:


My brother i appreciate your civility and my apology to you for the ad hominem.


You can check my first post on this thread and my post history, i'm not like these, but these folks here have pushed me to the wall and henceforth i'll be giving them a dose of their own medicine.




Please, it would be an unintelligent thing for you to act as a mouth piece for all Atheist on a matter like this.

They are really not what they are cracked up to be.

ValentineMary:
Well done Johnny. Faith does not make a ridiculous claim real, it only means one believes that ridiculous claim and can believe anything.

johnydon22:


It baffles me how you guys manage to jam two opposite words into one and still do so with a straight face.

I am wowed at how someone can jam "Faith" and "evidence" into one with a straight face, that is totally ridiculous like saying a water is both extremely hot and icy-cold at the same time.

either this is a severe case of ignorance on what is "Faith and evidence" are or plain ol cognitive dissonance and laziness or as usual intellectual dishonesty.

Faith and evidence are incompatible.

where there is Evidence there is no faith and none needed cus there is certainty..

Faith is only needed when there is no evidence.

the two never mixes and cannot mix cus they are blatantly opposites. .

Pyrrho:
I can't make any sense of the entire post.

Is it just me?

Lilbrown007:
I JUST GOT KICKED OUT FROM ANOTHER GROUP AGAIN JUST CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO AIR MY OWN VIEW YET THEY SAY WE ATHEIST ARE THAT CAUSE WE WANNA ENJOY LIFE.....

WELL FAITH THEY MUST BE VERY HAPPY SHOUTING THEY HAVE FAITH NA

OgundeleT:

and he didn't even check whether what he copied make sense before he posted it... the post no get head talk less of tail

Anas09:

Yes, It's just you. You have been hoodwinked to believe you are smart, but here is proof that you are not.

onetrack:


Can you show me this proof? Just saying it's in a book is useless because books can be fiction or non-fiction, and the Bible has known errors and inconsistencies.

johnydon22:


But yet they are no objective evidences for your beliefs that is why you all still need faith.

You lot do not look for evidences to confirm your beliefs because the so called "evidences" are also upside down claims held unto by "faith". You only look for things to twist and lay even more claims of faith and say they are evidences.

You lot do not examine your beliefs cus if you did you wouldn't even hold them, scepticism is seen as a threat in Christianity if you lot had your ways you'd do anything to silence the mouths of sceptics and freethinkers of which i am one of..

I cannot begin to lay out the many angry mails i have received and still receive from angry christians who see my scepticism as a threat to their beliefs, the frustrated insults we get here on NL.

Scepticism is not encouraged in Christianity please stop the lies, that is why Children are discouraged from questioning their beliefs, bible or alleged words of God or they risk hell.

I asked a bus preacher a question yesterday and got "God works in mysterious ways" how does that encourage scepticism?

In fact you lot can do anything to do away with scepticism which is a flogging rod that has kept the Christian faith in moderation and is the gallow on which Faith is being murdered in this millennium of fast dwindling faith(s).