If God is Self-sufficient, why would money always be solicited on his behalf?

Why will a God request for things from humans if he is all sufficient? Only the needy request for things, no?

Why does the all sufficient sound and behave in such a very needy manner?

dalaman:
If God is Self-sufficient, why would money always be solicited on his behalf?

Why will a God request for things from humans if he is all sufficient? Only the needy request for things, no?

Why does the all sufficient sound and behave in such a very needy manner?

Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
.
Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

GoodMuyis:


Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
.
Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

What's this?

An alleged all sufficient God begs people for money and says they rob him because they refuse to give him.
How is he all sufficient?

GoodMuyis:


Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
.
Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

How does this correlate with the Op?

Nuhvey:

How does this correlate with the Op?

I tire o.

God is all sufficient. Man made gods are in need of money always because the creators (men) can't do without money

GoodMuyis:


Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
.
Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

Your god better get a job and stop begging upandan. God of bambi allahs. Omni begging god

GoodMuyis:


Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
.
Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

Are u sure u are ok?

frank317:


Are u sure u are ok?

He is obviously not

hahn:


Your god better get a job and stop begging upandan. God of bambi allahs. Omni begging god

dalaman:


What's this?

An alleged all sufficient God begs people for money and says they rob him because they refuse to give him.
How is he all sufficient?

Can you back up your claims with evidence scripturally?

I need to see where God begs people for money where he says they "rob him because they refuse to give to him" and then we would discuss it from there.

dalaman:
If God is Self-sufficient, why would money always be solicited on his behalf?

Why will a God request for things from humans if he is all sufficient? Only the needy request for things, no?

Why does the all sufficient sound and behave in such a very needy manner?

The easy answer is that many pastors use this as a pretext to collect money from the sheep in church.

As a deist, I refuse to believe in a personal god that demands money from his or her followers.

It is only a useless parent that will impose tax on the children.

superhumanist:



The easy answer is that many pastors use this as a pretext to collect money from the sheep in church.

As a deist, I refuse to believe in a personal god that demands money from his or her followers.

It is only a useless parent that will impose tax on the children.

Are you calling Jehovah useless?

butterflylion:


Can you back up your claims with evidence scripturally?

I need to see where God begs people for money where he says they "rob him because they refuse to give to him" and then we would discuss it from there.

Many pastors that speak on behalf of God say that all the time and they say that God told them to say it. Even in the scriptures God still says that people rob him in tithe and offering.

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings".

I want to know how an all sufficient God will need people to give him anything in the first place.

butterflylion:


Can you back up your claims with evidence scripturally?

I need to see where God begs people for money where he says they "rob him because they refuse to give to him" and then we would discuss it from there.

Malachi 3:8

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings.

From the words of the omnibeggar itself

dalaman:


Many pastors that speak on behalf of God say that all the time and they say that God told them to say it. Even in the scriptures God still says that people rob him in tithe and offering.

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings".

I want to know how an all sufficient God will need people to give him anything in the first place.

Epic .. He will na come and start twisting the words, and subsequently end up derailing the thread

dalaman:


Many pastors that speak on behalf of God say that all the time and they say that God told them to say it. Even in the scriptures God still says that people rob him in tithe and offering.

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings".

I want to know how an all sufficient God will need people to give him anything in the first place.

You somehow had to include that pastors speak "on behalf of God" in that scripture when the scripture speaks for itself and it's history is also found in the same scripture.

Numbers 18:20-21, NKJV. “Then the LORD said to Aaron: “You shall have no inheritance in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.



Deuteronomy 14:22-23, “You must tithe all of your crops every year. Bring this tithe to eat before the Lord your God at the place he shall choose as his sanctuary; this applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn of your flocks and herds.

You can clearly see God first say the tithe is for the levites and also say that it's for the people. So where did He say it was for himself?


Psalm 50:10-12, NKJV. “For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell you; for the world is Mine, and all its fullness.”

Anything about tithes and offerings simply is God trying to teach us to put him first and since God is love it means we are being asked to put love first.

1st John 4: 7-8 "Beloved let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God, the one who does not love does not know God, for God is love."

1st John 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Jesus in confirmation said this in Mathew 25: 31 -45

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

I am sure you can see Jesus talking about our actions (be they positive or negative) towards our fellow humans as being done unto him. Would you also say Jesus was the one in jail, hungry, in prison, homeless, without clothes?. God is simply teaching us how to love and be selfless.

Try and understand scripture before opening threads.

Cc hahn.

Cc Nuhvey

butterflylion:


[s]You somehow had to include that pastors speak "on behalf of God" in that scripture when the scripture speaks for itself and it's history is also found in the same scripture.

Numbers 18:20-21, NKJV. “Then the LORD said to Aaron: “You shall have no inheritance in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.



Deuteronomy 14:22-23, “You must tithe all of your crops every year. Bring this tithe to eat before the Lord your God at the place he shall choose as his sanctuary; this applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn of your flocks and herds.

You can clearly see God first say the tithe is for the levites and also say that it's for the people. So where did He say it was for himself?


Psalm 50:10-12, NKJV. “For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell you; for the world is Mine, and all its fullness.”

Anything about tithes and offerings simply is God trying to teach us to put him first and since God is love it means we are being asked to put love first.

1st John 4: 7-8 "Beloved let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God, the one who does not love does not know God, for God is love."

1st John 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Jesus in confirmation said this in Mathew 25: 31 -45

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

I am sure you can see Jesus talking about our actions (be they positive or negative) towards our fellow humans as being done unto him. Would you also say Jesus was the one in jail, hungry, in prison, homeless, without clothes?. God is simply teaching us how to love and be selfless.

Try and understand scripture before opening threads.

Cc hahn.

Cc Nuhvey[/s]

Absolute nonsense

hahn:


Absolute nonsense

When your argument has been roundly defeated you resort to your default position of your senseless meme.

Try not to look so desperate next time when trying to refute my response which by the way is 100% scripturally sound and solid.

butterflylion:




When your argument has been roundly defeated you resort to your default position of your senseless meme.

Try not to look so desperate next time when trying to refute my response which by the way is 100% scripturally sound and solid.

Why didn't you address the bible verse I sent to you?

These tactics are old bro

hahn:


Malachi 3:8

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings.

From the words of the omnibeggar itself

butterflylion, address this bible verse and stop posting irrelevant epistles

hahn:


Why didn't you address the bible verse I sent to you?

These tactics are old bro

I already did by first taking you to numbers 18: 20 and running you through Deuteronomy 14:22 and Psalm 50:10 and 1st John 4:7 - 8 and 1st John 4:20 and finally Mathew 25:31-45 so you would get the gist of Malachi 3:8 -10

So if after giving you from foundation to lintel to roof you still feign ignorance then....

butterflylion:


I already did by first taking you to numbers 18: 20 and running you through Deuteronomy 14:22 and Psalm 50:10 and 1st John 4:7 - 8 and 1st John 4:20 and finally Mathew 25:31-45 so you would get the gist of Malachi 3:10

So if after giving you from foundation to lintel to roof you still feign ignorance then....

Lol

I love the way you deceive yourself to think you actually make sense

hahn:


Lol

I love the way you deceive yourself to think you actually make sense

Lmao

I love the way you are deceiving yourself to think I didn't

frank317:


Are u sure u are ok?

Ayu without understanding that HE who are is Lord over all exercise authority over them.

Your OWN Parent have strength and legs of their own yet they sent YOU on errand which they can undertake themselves.
Does that make them less a parent?

hahn:


Lol

I love the way you deceive yourself to think you actually make sense

Butterflylion actually was confident that God didnt claim that people who didnt give offering to him were robbing him.

The bible verse literally said that! Apparently, butterflymoron doesnt read the bible.

Malachi 3:8 abi?

butterflylion:


Can you back up your claims with evidence scripturally?

I need to see where God begs people for money where he says they "rob him because they refuse to give to him" and then we would discuss it from there.

JackBizzle:





Butterflylion actually was confident that God didnt claim that people who didnt give offering to him were robbing him.

The bible verse literally said that! Apparently, butterflymoron doesnt read the bible.

Malachi 3:8 abi?

mega jumbo dumbo I can see you are back to typing before reading. Let me post my response here again so understanding can fall on you.

You somehow had to include that pastors speak "on behalf of God" in that scripture when the scripture speaks for itself and it's history is also found in the same scripture.

Numbers 18:20-21, NKJV. “Then the LORD said to Aaron: “You shall have no inheritance in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.



Deuteronomy 14:22-23, “You must tithe all of your crops every year. Bring this tithe to eat before the Lord your God at the place he shall choose as his sanctuary; this applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn of your flocks and herds.

You can clearly see God first say the tithe is for the levites and also say that it's for the people. So where did He say it was for himself?


Psalm 50:10-12, NKJV. “For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell you; for the world is Mine, and all its fullness.”

Anything about tithes and offerings simply is God trying to teach us to put him first and since God is love it means we are being asked to put love first.

1st John 4: 7-8 "Beloved let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God, the one who does not love does not know God, for God is love."

1st John 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Jesus in confirmation said this in Mathew 25: 31 -45

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

I am sure you can see Jesus talking about our actions (be they positive or negative) towards our fellow humans as being done unto him. Would you also say Jesus was the one in jail, hungry, in prison, homeless, without clothes?. God is simply teaching us how to love and be selfless.

Try and understand scripture before opening threads.

U haven't still addressed the issue.. We can all conclude therefore on this

dalaman:



An alleged all sufficient God begs people for money and says they rob him because they refuse to give him.

GoodMuyis:


Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
.
Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

nice analogy.. but its flawed.. parents know their children and the children know their parents.. we have more than 20 deities claiming to be the creator.. that aside, a parent is not all-sufficient.. if they were they wouldn't send their children on errands to get anything for them because they have everything

GoodMuyis:


Ayu without understanding that HE who are is Lord over all exercise authority over them.

Your OWN Parent have strength and legs of their own yet they sent YOU on errand which they can undertake themselves.
Does that make them less a parent?

Oga pls stop repeating this nonsense.

Our parents send us on errand because:
1. It s convenient for them
2. They are sometimes too tired to do tit themselves
3. They are humans and can't do everything even if they want to
4. They enjoy the sense of superiority and seniority it gives them. It is good to feel the children they work hard for respect them.

How does this relate to Ur almighty God who can do all things and lacks nothing. Does ur God get tired? Can he not do everything? U belittle your God when you compare him to humans

butterflylion:


You somehow had to include that pastors speak "on behalf of God" in that scripture when the scripture speaks for itself and it's history is also found in the same scripture.

Numbers 18:20-21, NKJV. “Then the LORD said to Aaron: “You shall have no inheritance in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.



Deuteronomy 14:22-23, “You must tithe all of your crops every year. Bring this tithe to eat before the Lord your God at the place he shall choose as his sanctuary; this applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn of your flocks and herds.

You can clearly see God first say the tithe is for the levites and also say that it's for the people. So where did He say it was for himself?


Psalm 50:10-12, NKJV. “For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell you; for the world is Mine, and all its fullness.”

Anything about tithes and offerings simply is God trying to teach us to put him first and since God is love it means we are being asked to put love first.

1st John 4: 7-8 "Beloved let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God, the one who does not love does not know God, for God is love."

1st John 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Jesus in confirmation said this in Mathew 25: 31 -45

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

I am sure you can see Jesus talking about our actions (be they positive or negative) towards our fellow humans as being done unto him. Would you also say Jesus was the one in jail, hungry, in prison, homeless, without clothes?. God is simply teaching us how to love and be selfless.

Try and understand scripture before opening threads.

Cc hahn.

Cc Nuhvey

What is this pile of hot thrash??

dalaman:


What is this pile of hot thrash??

It's called trashing your OP