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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by AjaanaOka(m): 8:05am On Jun 18, 2016
Ogu the god of retributive justice, as in Ofo na Ogu?

It is just as well, since Uranus is the god of the sky; and it would sound odd if we named a planet Igwe given that the sky for us is already igwe.
Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 8:07am On Jun 18, 2016
Yes, that Ogu.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 7:49am On Jun 19, 2016
Astronomy will always deal with states of matter. Planets come in many forms such as rocky, gas giants, etc. For that reason, terms need to coined for the various states of matter.

Matter - Ihe/Ihedi ('di' to further qualify it as a 'substance' of sorts rather than 'ihe' as a concept of something)
State[s] - onuno
Phase[s] -
Solid -
Liquid -
Gas -
Plasma -

Astronomy will have also deal with concepts such as direction, magnetism and fields (not as in open spaces, but as in energy).

Magnet -
Magnetism -
Field -
Direction -
Angle -
Distance - Nteanya

Cardinal Direction:
- North -
- South -
- East -
- West -
*note: It is often said that the 4-day calendar also represents the four cardinal points. However, there exists no standardization. Just as how the order of the 4-days differs from culture zone to culture zone, so also does the association with a particular cardinal point. So, we either once and for all create a standard order and standard cardinal point association, or we coin new terminology and forget using the 4-day calendar names. Personally, I believe we should develop new terminology.

Planets are typically thought of as having hemispheres.

Hemisphere -
Compass -
Axis -
Season -
Clockwise -
Counterclockwise -

Most importantly, the search for life outside of Earth means the search for atmosphere.

Atmosphere -
Layer[s] -
Exosphere -
Thermosphere -
Ionosphere -
Mesosphere -
Stratosphere -
Troposphere -

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 7:53am On Jun 19, 2016
I wonder if anyone else is actually saving this information besides me, because NL can become subject to another spontaneous data loss incident. If you are visiting this thread and you intend to use these words or at least know them, then I suggest you save what you see for yourself.

Anyway, once we're done with the above concepts, we will move on to the next concepts and the next until it seems as though we may have covered basic astronomy well enough to discuss the topic in passing.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by AjaanaOka(m): 8:40pm On Jun 19, 2016
Okay, a few tentative suggestions:

Matter - Ihe/Ihedi ('di' to further qualify it as a 'substance' of sorts rather than 'ihe' as a concept of something)
State[s] - onuno
Phase[s] - agba (Already in use in Izugbe to mean 'stage')
Solid - akpọ (from verb 'kpoku', 'kpokuo' which means 'to solidify')
Liquid - eru/ehu (from –ru, which describes the flowing movement of water or liquids)
Gas -
Plasma -

Astronomy will have also deal with concepts such as direction, magnetism and fields (not as in open spaces, but as in energy).

Magnet - Odiigwe/Odigwe (from 'odo' which means 'puller' and 'igwe' which means 'iron')
Magnetism - Odudigwe (from 'odudo', 'the act of pulling' and 'igwe')
Field - Ilo/Ama or mbala/mbara. I think I like Ama best.
Direction - Uzo (I tried translating English sentences with 'direction' in them to Igbo, and it appears to me that 'uzo', 'way' fits naturally. It's my opinion that we shouldn't make the language unneccessarily unwieldy by seeking to coin a fresh word for every scientific term.)
Angle - Ngo (I don't know why I thought of this word which means 'crook' or 'a bend'. Maybe because it sounds somewhat like 'angle'.)
Distance - Nteanya

Cardinal Direction:

I get that you are not in favour of using the Four Days of the Week. Before I read the addendum where you explain why you think new terminology should be developed, I was already saying in my mind, "Easy. The days of the week." The indications that they (the names of the days) originally referred to cardinal points are very strong. I suggest prefixing 'uzo' (direction) to the day-names for the purpose of distinction.

- North - Uzaafo/Uzaaho
- South -Uzonkwo
- East - Uzeeke
- West - Uzorie/Uzolie/Uzoye

Planets are typically thought of as having hemispheres.

Hemisphere - okarowa/okalowa (okara - half + owa - planet. Since sphere in this case means planet, I see no point coining a new word for sphere here. There'll probably be need for that, however, with atmosphere, stratosphere etc.)
Compass - okuuzo (oka - that which tells [from 'ka', tell] + uzo, direction)
Axis - okpolo/okporo ('path'/'road'. You may have a better idea, though)
Season - udu/nduru (I don't know what the udu/nduru in udummiri/ndurummiri (rainy season) means; so I guess we can take that and call it season)
Clockwise - Kiijelekere/Kijelekere ('ka ije elekere' - like the movement of the clock; ka ije aka elekere is more accurate, but i think it is too long)
Counterclockwise - Adiikijelekere/Adikijelekere (Adighi ka ije elekere - not like the movement of a clock)

Most importantly, the search for life outside of Earth means the search for atmosphere.

Atmosphere -
Layer[s] -
Exosphere -
Thermosphere -
Ionosphere -
Mesosphere -
Stratosphere -
Troposphere -

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by odensibiri: 11:08pm On Jun 19, 2016
ChinenyeNN:
The etymology is a little difficult to explain because there isn't any real logic to it (which part of language is actually truly logical anyway?). The only 'logical' aspect is where we made use of 'o' as part of the vowel prefixing convention, but that was only loosely, and just to create the final noun usage. The 'ki' does not refer to any actual verb root. Rather, it originally comes from 'akhu' (kernel) and 'hnii' (an object identifier -- hard to explain, but an already existing part of Ngwa speech). Basically:

'akhu-hnii' -> 'akhii' -> 'akhi' -> 'okhi' just to officially give it the final noun usage.
*I've been ridiculously inconsistent with my use of nasals and aspirants in this thread. *shrug*

We basically defined chemical elements as the kernels of chemicals.


Yeah, I figured as much. Most Igbo that I have come in contact with aren't even aware that the number system is actually ohu-based. So, naturally, I believe that due to this discrepancy, the atomic number naming convention would probably not become widespread among general Igbo.


It goes without saying that I agree.

Good thing I checked back here because your etymology for 'atom' is surprising, because in the nsibiri dictionary I made with some terms I came up with which are not definitive I also used 'aku' or palm kernel as a root for the word.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/281219778/Ikpokwu

One of the reasons I started the project (Nsibiri) was because of clarification needed in times like this.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by odensibiri: 11:21pm On Jun 19, 2016
AjaanaOka:
[...] Magnet - Odiigwe/Odigwe (from 'odo' which means 'puller' and 'igwe' which means 'iron')
Magnetism - Odudigwe (from 'odudo', 'the act of pulling' and 'igwe') [...]

I went about a similar way of coining magnet/ism in the nsibiri dictionary. I used the verbs sè [draw or suck] and jì [hold] for it because nsibiri makes it clear to the reader what the verbs are.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by odensibiri: 12:23am On Jun 20, 2016
The elements I translated, the one in English I did not translate, partly because tin and sulfur probably already have Igbo names I'm not aware of. I used suffixes like zim for things like radioactivity (from 'send'). My favourite ones are ume anya anwu (sun's breath, helium) and asu Agwu (Agwu's spittle, mercury).

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 6:14am On Jun 20, 2016
See, Odensibiri, if you had shown up earlier, we might not have even had to bother developing names for the elements. Interestingly enough, some of our coined words are strikingly similar. Where I have Ugbam for flourine, you have Ugbasi. We both used indigenous words for coal/charcoal when coining the respective terms for carbon. You certainly put some thought into the names for those elements.

AjaanaOka, certainly I am in agreement that a new term need not be developed for each and every thing. For instance, we already have equivalent expressions for magnet, magnetism, magnetize, magnetic, etc., and we developed them simply by taking advantage of the verb-based nature of the language. This minimizes the number of actual new words we have to coin. Or at least, that's how it seems to us.

Gas - eruku (from -ru [eru] -ku [same ku from ikuku])
Plasma - eruke (from -ru [eru] - ke [spark for the ionization])

Atmosphere - igweikuku [sky + air]
Layer[s] - (possibly consider something from fold)
Exosphere - igweikuku-mkpughe
Thermosphere - igweikuku-oku
Ionosphere - igweikuku-ekeke
Mesosphere - igweikuku-oyi
Stratosphere - igweikuku-mbadamba
Troposphere - igweikuku-ndu

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 6:45am On Jun 20, 2016
Some testing with the new terminology. Let's see if people can translate.

E nwere owa di iche iche n'uwa. Owa nke anyi bu owa nke ato n'omenakpakpando anyi. A kporo ya Owaala. Owaala na-atughari adikijelekere ma nwere otu kpakpam nke bu Onwa. Ikaaru Owaala jidere Onwa n'ogbuzo o na-agba. Onwa enweghi igweikuku. Nkea kpatara, madu enweghi ike ibi n'Onwa. Owaala nwere igweikuku. Ekenke* ise di n'igweikuku Owaala. Nke mbu bu mkpughe (igweikuku mkpughe). Nkea na-erute mbarauwa. Ekenke nke abo bu oku (igweikuku oku) maka na o na-adi oku. Ekenke nke ato bu ekeke (igweikuku ekeke). A kporo ya ekeke maka na oku no n'ime igweikuku oku na-eme ka aki ekeke baa n'ekenke nkea. Ekenke nke ano bu mbadamba (igweikuku mbadamba). Urupuru na [ozone] no n'ekenke a. Na ngwucha, ekenke nke ise bu ndu (igweikuku ndu). O bu ekenke ebe anyi bi. Ihe dika eruku igweikuku niile no n'ekenke a. O bidoro n'elu osimiri laa elu [mile] asaa. O bughi naani Onwa na-agba ogbuzo. Owaala na-agbakwa Anwu ogbuzo.

I'll stop there.
*Note: 'Ekenke' is a temporary measure, because I believe there should already be an existing equivalent.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by AjaanaOka(m): 8:44am On Jun 20, 2016
Not bad. Easily understandable and translatable.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 2:19pm On Jun 20, 2016
odensibiri:
Good thing I checked back here because your etymology for 'atom' is surprising, because in the nsibiri dictionary I made with some terms I came up with which are not definitive I also used 'aku' or palm kernel as a root for the word.
See. I know I cannot be the only one with my line of thought (sometimes I feel like I am though). Excellent work you did on that dictionary. I have a copy of it.

odensibiri:
One of the reasons I started the project (Nsibiri) was because of clarification needed in times like this.
I cannot speak for others, but for me, your time and dedication on that project is much appreciated. I've actually been working on an idea to help push your Nsibiri project along. It's currently in the planning phase, but I intend/hope to begin implementing it in 2017.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 3:32pm On Jun 20, 2016
AjaanaOka:
Not bad. Easily understandable and translatable.

It flows, doesn't it? I believe it does. Strangely enough, it flows so well that I almost don't feel any sort of achievement from it, as if to say this is nothing new. I guess that speaks volumes. We're almost done with basic space and astronomy.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 3:53pm On Jun 20, 2016
Another test...

Ihedi niile di n'uwa na-adi n'agba n'agba. Agba ihedi ano di. A na-akpo ha onuno ihedi. Nke mbu bu akpo. Akpo bu ihedi kporo akpo ma o bu kpokuo. Ihe dika osisi na nkuma so n'agba a. Agba ihedi nke abo bu eru. Eru bu ihe niile na-erughari erughari n'uwa dika mmiri ma o bu obara. Agba nke ato bu eruku. Ikuku na ahu (nke inyu ahu) so n'agba a. Na ngwucha, agba nke ano bu eruke. Eruke bu eruku nke ibaaki ete ya na-agaghari nke efu. Eruke na eruku bu otu. Kama, eruke na-akpatu agwa di iche maka ibaaki ete efu ya. Nkea kpatara, ndi amumihe asi na eruke bu agba ihedi nke ya iche.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by AjaanaOka(m): 8:14pm On Jun 20, 2016
ChinenyeN:
Another test...

Ihedi niile di n'uwa na-adi n'agba n'agba. Agba ihedi ano di. A na-akpo ha onuno ihedi. Nke mbu bu akpo. Akpo bu ihedi kporo akpo ma o bu kpokuo. Ihe dika osisi na nkuma so n'agba a. Agba ihedi nke abo bu eru. Eru bu ihe niile na-erughari erughari n'uwa dika mmiri ma o bu obara. Agba nke ato bu eruku. Ikuku na ahu (nke inyu ahu) so n'agba a. Na ngwucha, agba nke ano bu eruke. Eruke bu eruku nke ibaaki ete ya na-agaghari nke efu. Eruke na eruku bu otu. Kama, eruke na-akpatu agwa di iche maka ibaaki ete efu ya. Nkea kpatara, ndi amumihe asi na eruke bu agba ihedi nke ya iche.

I didn't even need to consult our 'glossary' while reading this. Everything felt very natural. Happy about this.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by odensibiri: 9:24pm On Jun 20, 2016
ChinenyeN:
See, Odensibiri, if you had shown up earlier, we might not have even had to bother developing names for the elements. Interestingly enough, some of our coined words are strikingly similar. Where I have Ugbam for flourine, you have Ugbasi. We both used indigenous words for coal/charcoal when coining the respective terms for carbon. You certainly put some thought into the names for those elements.

AjaanaOka, certainly I am in agreement that a new term need not be developed for each and every thing. For instance, we already have equivalent expressions for magnet, magnetism, magnetize, magnetic, etc., and we developed them simply by taking advantage of the verb-based nature of the language. This minimizes the number of actual new words we have to coin. Or at least, that's how it seems to us.

Gas - eruku (from -ru [eru] -ku [same ku from ikuku])
Plasma - eruke (from -ru [eru] - ke [spark for the ionization])

Atmosphere - igweikuku [sky + air]
Layer[s] - (possibly consider something from fold)
Exosphere - igweikuku-mkpughe
Thermosphere - igweikuku-oku
Ionosphere - igweikuku-ekeke
Mesosphere - igweikuku-oyi
Stratosphere - igweikuku-mbadamba
Troposphere - igweikuku-ndu

Yes, the fact that we're coining similar words is a testament to the fact that this was the method of coining new words in the past. I believe if more people are aware of this method then it would probably start somewhat of a revolution for Igbo.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by odensibiri: 9:32pm On Jun 20, 2016
ChinenyeN:

See. I know I cannot be the only one with my line of thought (sometimes I feel like I am though). Excellent work you did on that dictionary. I have a copy of it.


I cannot speak for others, but for me, your time and dedication on that project is much appreciated. I've actually been working on an idea to help push your Nsibiri project along. It's currently in the planning phase, but I intend/hope to begin implementing it in 2017.

Thanks for the support. I've been going a bit more slowly recently, but I was going to post some of the etymology of the dictionary in a page I made here, I'll do that later on. I'll also add some of the coinages made here.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by odensibiri: 10:13pm On Jun 20, 2016
ChinenyeN:
Atmosphere - igweikuku [sky + air]
Layer[s] - (possibly consider something from fold)
Exosphere - igweikuku-mkpughe
Thermosphere - igweikuku-oku
Ionosphere - igweikuku-ekeke
Mesosphere - igweikuku-oyi
Stratosphere - igweikuku-mbadamba
Troposphere - igweikuku-ndu

I took your reasoning for atmosphere and shortened it to èkwù, from kwù 'breathe' in a similar way élú was made, with the sense of the atmosphere being something that provides breath and also something that is created through the 'breath' of other substances (trees, rock, volcanoes, pollution). Adding that to your terms would be troposphere - èkwùńdụ̀ for example which could be understood as 'life breather'.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 1:05am On Jun 21, 2016
AjaanaOka:
I didn't even need to consult our 'glossary' while reading this. Everything felt very natural. Happy about this.

Glad to see you feel this way. I'm starting to feel as though my efforts make a difference. Honestly, I initially believed (and mostly still believe) that Igbo people just don't have the mentality for this. But ultimately, that belief is inconsequential. The only real action that will change things will be amendments to schooling curriculum, and to do that, the terminology has to be there. I guess we are just the preliminary wave.

odensibiri:
I took your reasoning for atmosphere and shortened it to èkwù, from kwù 'breathe' in a similar way élú was made, with the sense of the atmosphere being something that provides breath and also something that is created through the 'breath' of other substances (trees, rock, volcanoes, pollution). Adding that to your terms would be troposphere - èkwùńdụ̀ for example which could be understood as 'life breather'.

Ekwu is certainly less bulky than igweikuku, and I can't immediately think of any already existing usages for this particular ekwu (word and tone structure) as a standalone noun in general Igbo. If anyone else expresses interest, we can switch it in for igweikuku. I am for it.

exosphere - ekwumkpughe
thermosphere - ekwuoku
ionosphere - ekwuekeke
mesospere - ekwuoyi
stratosphere - ekwumbadamba
troposphere - ekwundu

@Topic: It should go without saying, but remember to feel free to adapt anything you see here to you respective lects.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 4:39pm On Jun 21, 2016
More on Basic Astronomy

Temperature - ekpomoku
Astronomical Unit (measure of cosmic distance) - atu mbarauwa
Aurora -
Crater -

I believe this ought to do it for an initial, basic/passing/amateur discussion on space and and astronomy. That is, unless others have more to add.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 11:52pm On Jun 21, 2016
Alright.

Aurora - Igweomumu (sky + shining/brightness)
Crater - Ize (-ze :: collapse)

A final test:

Onwa - Naani Kpakpam nke Owaala

Onwa bu kpakpam na-ezilata ihe si n'Anwu. O ya mere o ji na-acha n'anyaasi. O naghi enye oku nke ya. I lee anya n'ihu Onwa, i ga-ahu ize, maka na kpom ekili kporo Onwa. Ize na-adi n'udi n'udi buru ibu di iche iche. Ndi amumihe na-eche na ekili ma o bu ihe buru ibu kuru Owaala na gboo. Uzuzu foro afo na mberede ahu abia aghoo Onwa anyi. Ikaaru Owaala ejidere Onwa n'ogbuzo o na-agba. A gaghi ahu igweomumu n'Onwa maka na Onwa nweghi ekwu nkea ya. Kama o nwere odudigwe nke ya maka na ime ime ya bu nikem mana odudigwe ya adighi ike.

Hmm... I wonder how that feels for everyone. Aside from this, I would say that I am done with basic/amateur space and astronomy terms.

Who has another objective? That is, if no one has anything else to add?

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 1:34am On Feb 28, 2017
I'm bored. Any suggestions as to what to tackle next to coin new terminology?

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by ChinenyeN(m): 2:02pm On Mar 23, 2018
Who wants to coin new terminology? Pick a topic, any topic. Let's indulge ourselves.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by scholti: 9:00pm On Dec 28, 2018
ChinenyeN:
Who wants to coin new terminology? Pick a topic, any topic. Let's indulge ourselves.

Nice one. I was doing a google search and stumbled on this. Count me in if it is still in progress.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by scholti: 9:04pm On Dec 28, 2018
And an Igbo language blog or website where articles will be in a good first step.

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Re: Coining New Igbo Terminology For The Modern Day by spirytsist: 8:20pm On Aug 10, 2019
scholti:
And an Igbo language blog or website where articles will be in a good first step.

agreed

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