Missy89:


You are still talking rubbish.

I am surprised you are still arguing blindly really . When the treaty was signed. The Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact were still intact. What the Russians wanted is no military deployment in East Germany and none was deployed there until the soviet Union collapsed.

So how can you say Gorbachev meant no structures outside the east AND FURTHER DOWN EAST So are you implying that Gorbachev predicted the fall of the soviet union and the Warsaw pact before it happened and asked for a guarantee before the event? Does this even sound intelligent to you at all?

The Russians controlled the Polish military till the early 90s and had troops there up until 1993 (Northern Group of Forces) Armed with nukes. So you are telling me Gorbachev foresaw the soviet withdrawal from Poland in 1993 and asked for assurances of the west not moving east in 1990? Really?

I showed you a direct quote from Gorbachev himself saying that what they talked about was EAST GERMANY. You are inventing your own prove an theory. I typical crank debating tactics. So we should disregard what the Preisdent of the Soviet union said who should be in a good position to know what actually happened?

The same President of the Soviet Union that said this:

"The Americans promised that Nato wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted."

and was corroborated by Genscher, the German Foreign Minister that was in the thick of the action back then...

Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: "We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." And because the conversion revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: "As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general."

... And Shevardnadze replied that he believed "everything the minister (Genscher) said."

...and the Amerikans confirmed the RED LINES..

…we have the text of a State Department cable dated Feb. 1, 2008, from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow bearing the unusual title: “NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.”

My dear, you can only convince a kid, not your Husband.. You and i know indebtly that there is no love between Russia and Nato, because the Cold War never died. And you know that to be true. My love, either way you may look at it, Russia was always going to be an enemy, and vice versa. It wasn't after the Crimean issue in 2015 that you mentioned. As far back as in 2007, Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, told a congressional committee that... America needed to boost military spending to counter myriad threats including the "uncertain paths of China and Russia". Why? Cold War mentality. Shocked? Even Gorbachev was amazed...

"Yet we see the United States approving a military budget and the defence secretary pledging to strengthen conventional forces because of the possibility of a war with China or Russia.
"I sometimes have a feeling that the United States is going to wage war against the entire world."

He said that in 2008, my love.

In 2008 also, the missile program was on course, to defend against who? Maybe Satan. And when the US was sending ships unnecessarily into the Black Sea, Russia responded by sending ships and nuclear bombers into Venezuela for an excercise, and you know what? Pentagon called it a provocation. You see, my love. The Cold War Mentality Never Died.

That is the bottom line.

So, take a rest my love. Your darling we need you in subsequent thread. Stay well, love. God bless.

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