AreaFada2:


Shymex, do you deny that Oba Akintoye told the British that Oba of Benin confirms who should be Eleko of Eko in 1853?
Do you deny that Benin conquered the Aworis before Ashipa, a Benin prince became first Eleko of Eko?
Do you also disagree that Benin sacked Akure in 1833?

I have Ga people from Osu area of Accra as inlaws and friends. All are quite aware that they came from Benin originally. How did they get there?
Do you know that Late president Eyadema traced his origins to Edo?

Do you know why Mathieu Kerekou sought permission of Oba of Benin to adopt the name Benin as new name of Dahomey in the 1970s?
Did you ask why he did not Chose Oyo, Egba, Ife, Ijebu, Kano, kanem Borno, Sokoto, etc that are very famous kingdoms/emirates?

We are all educated. Let's put tribalism aside and look at things dispassionately. Objectively.

The truth after all will make all of us wiser. Not that there are $billions at stake in losing the argument?

AreaFada2:

My dear, I have tried educating many tribal supremacists here for many years now.

The same argument broke out earlier this year & late last year after very unguarded utterances by Alake of Abeokuta & Olu of Warri about Ooni of Ife being senior to Oba of Benin.

Read the thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=oranmiyan+did+not+set+foot+in+benin&search=Search

To begin with, Olu of Warri cannot know because the first Olu of Warri was the son of Oba Olua of Benin (reigned 1473-1480AD). Any connection of Olu of Warri to Ododuwa is through Benin, so it is Benin who will tell him who his ancestors are. Just like Ashipa the first Eleko (now called Oba) of Lagos was a Benin Prince.

I'm happy to see young people like you showing interest in your illustrious history. Because if you don't, other people will try to twist it and write in their favour.

Ododuwa (Izoduwa) was Prince Ekaladerhan of Benin. He was exiled and made his way to Ife. When he was eventually made ruler of Ife, he said Izoduwa, Ima ghi d'oduwa meaning " I did not miss my destiny".

But Ogiso Owodo, his father died in Benin with no heir. Eventually Benin chiefs learnt that Ekaladerhan was in fact now ruler of Ife. They went to bring him back but he refused. Maybe he was now old or the sad memory of banishment was still fresh or some other reason. But he later sent his son Oranmiyan to Benin.

Therefore, Benin is the father of Ododuwa and all Obas in Yorubaland that descended from Ododuwa.
Don't let anyone use modern politics of large population to deceive you.

Rome was just a city with a fairly small population, but went on to dominate the world through Roman Empire that spanned much of Europe, Asia & North Africa.

So was Benin in the South-Eastern part of West Africa from 1440 to 1897 AD.

Shym3xx:


But was Eko conquered or did Bini set up a camp there based on negotiations and appeal from Oyo cos Oyo's Calvary wouldn't be effective on the coast against Dahomey? If Bini conquered Eko, how come the Eleko of Eko owns no land in Lagos and everything belongs to the Idejo Chiefs?

Also, for Bini to conquer Eko militarily back then, it would've to go through Ijebu kingdom. However, that never happened and the link between Bini and Eko is the Mahin and the Mahins were the ones who transported Bini Warriors and royals through the Lagoon, back and forth. The Mahins also were never under Bini and everything with Eko had to do with a concerted effort to stop Dahomey from expanding westwards.

Dahomey was named after Bight of Benin and name is more inclusive than Dahomey since there are Yoruba groups in the country.

We both know Bini never even got anywhere near going to war with Dahomey and it also didn't conquer Owo. So why's the other guy telling porkies?

AreaFada2:


Hahahahaha!

You seem very ignorant of history. Another Yoruba man thinking a large ethnic group means historical supremacy.

Who said all Itsekiri are Edo? Do you know the history of Itsekhiri monarchy or you just talk for nothing? In fact your knowledge of history is abysmal. Itsekiri are a mix of aboriginal people, plus much Ijebu, a little Owo & Benin elite (Olu & Benin nobility that accompanied him to his new costal domain).

No genuine member of Itsekiri royal family ever denied they are descendants of Prince Ginuwa, the son of Oba Olua of Benin.
Let me and you go to Ode Itsekhiri and ask. I challenge you.

The title Oba Olua gave to his son was Ogiame, meaning Lord of the Seas/gods/goddesses. A position that necessitated an oath to Olokun (river goddess). Being sent as a duke over the coast on Bight of Benin. Check what happened in Warri what happened when last Olu of Warri tried to remove Ogiame title from his name in 2013. He was asked to leave throne, for trying to dump the title they brought from Benin and he quickly abandoned the plan. Google it.

Again you don't know Benin language. Omo n'Oba is not same as Omo Oba (Yoruba). Ask what you don't know. Omo Oba equals Ovbioba or Okoro in Benin language.

The title Oba was used in Benin way before Oranmiyan. It was used as Oba-godo of Igodomigodo as title by Ogisos pre-Ododuwa.

Half of my people in my village in Edo speak a language 80% similar to Olukumi. Olukumi, like a dialect spoken in my village is from Owo Yoruba. Like Olukumi, they were immigrants from Eastern Yorubaland in imperial times. Sometimes now called Ado-Akure (Edo n'Ekue in Benin). Diaspora Ado-Akure litter Ondo & Ekiti states today. We are very conscious of our history. Both the Yoruba & Benin side.

As for language & conquest, Benin did not have the population to populate colonies or spread the language. Benin even used paid mercenaries (like Romans & others did too) to prosecute imperial wars. These were recorded by Europeans who accompanied Oba Esigie & Ozolua to conquest wars Eastern Yoruba land. And there was no written language. Instead princes were sent to rule over them according to local culture.

Please read history widely before you display ignorance in a public forum.

Trying to use ogboju to twist history won't work. Yoruba write their history, Benin write theirs. But Benin history makes more sense, even scientifically, because I cannot imagine Ododuwa coming from Arabia or Sudan or Yemen or wherever. With what, a dragon or a phoenix? Or even using chain to climb down from heaven.

He travelled only about 140 miles from Benin to Ife, entering from the East to become Ododuwa. Who is father of most Yoruba rulers. That is the only thing settled.

Tell your fairy-tale story to your 4 years old niece, she won't even believe you.

Wyttcat:
Gibberish is all you wrote!

Itsekiri are directly related to Yoruba, the modern Benin are not.

Obagodo is a phenomenon that is less than between 1- 10 years, he NEVER existed. I threw an open-air challenge about 6 months ago for any documents or where he was ever mentioned before now, like the way Yoruba have OBALUWAYE, OBALUFON, OBAMERI, OBATALA among others, or show where you had used the word 'Oba' prior to Yoruba introducing it to you with Oranmiyan, up till now no one has been able to get anything.

Using Yoruba name and language are a pointer to Yoruba as the boss then and now. British population in Nigeria was miniscule but left their language and names, population is never an excuse, once you are great and powerful, you will always be no matter what. Benin was never anything other than make believe feel-good super story. Modern Benin generation couldn't build on what never existed.

Yoruba are not the only people who trekked thousands of miles to their present location, the Lemba of south Africa and Zimbabwe came from the middle east with strong scientific backing well checked out, they claim when they continued south, while others stopped in sudan and the present west Africa. We know our history. You don't know yours. There's still hope that you will find out what happened to your missing storybook prince in your neighboring towns if he wasn't devoured by wild animals, only if he ever existed and your long throat is put in check, but I'll tell you that he NEVER made it to our area.

Your Benin history is no history at all, it is fantasy, made-to-order junk. Your history is made up as you go, you never had anything out of the ordinary, aside taking advantage of smaller tribes like Itsekiri and Olukumi and pushing them further.

The only thing that's really settled is the story corroborated by two opposing sides and that is, a Prince from Ile Ife Yoruba land came to rule over you as your first Oba and named the land 'Bini' though it has since been KOBOKOBOLIZED. This is fact, and not the one you spew from your deranged inferior minds.

AreaFada2:


Hahahahahaha!

Wake up from your dream.

Your revisionism is dead on arrival.

Anyway, why are argue with a tormented soul, a Walter Mitty ?

No amount of shouting or insults can change history.

It only shows a ghetto person seeking attention on an anonymous platform.

Evathyst:
See why you'll never learn? Arrogance!


A person who is ignorant of a fact shouldn't be so arrogant to learn it. Anyways, maybe it's congenital sha. That's your cup of kunu though.



For the records, I'm not a guy. So please, open your eyes when quoting people next time.



Enjoy the rest of your day.


die this matter, Eva-thirsty. hahahaha

Peace!

Evathyst:
See why you'll never learn? Arrogance!


A person who is ignorant of a fact shouldn't be so arrogant to learn it. Anyways, maybe it's congenital sha. That's your cup of kunu though.



For the records, I'm not a guy. So please, open your eyes when quoting people next time.



Enjoy the rest of your day.



Peace!

Evathyst:
See why you'll never learn? Arrogance!


A person who is ignorant of a fact shouldn't be so arrogant to learn it. Anyways, maybe it's congenital sha. That's your cup of kunu though.



For the records, I'm not a guy. So please, open your eyes when quoting people next time.



Enjoy the rest of your day.


Peace!

Bethelwealthy:


Pardon my tone Mimzy,..........you look great

Evathyst:
Apology accepted!


Vote Mimzy first, then, come back for a hug...