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Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 9:39pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
talk2hb1:You need to be flogged too for that - i dey vex gan o |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by talk2hb1(m): 9:46pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
dhtml18:Waiting Me DO now, just wondering say them this boys no get work so tey dem dey compare language. Abeg make them tell me which one sweet pass between COKE & Fanta? I dey go owanbe for Saturday, I needed tech review on which is sweeter between coke and fant. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 9:56pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
Oh i see, it is okay - i thought you have joined gang with those boys. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 11:15pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
truthsayer007: The problem with Nigerians is y'all like criticism and do not even know the border criticism and reality. You would vilify any and everything without a (valid) reason. Just have a look at the reasons the OP gave.. Like for real ? Y'all like to think like "you are thinking rationally" I come across questions like "IS PHP DEAD", "When would PHP die", "is PHP relevant" e.t.c (and shit) on a regular basis on Quora - if you follow 'webdevelopment' or 'PHP' on the site. Funny enough you don't know HHVM runs PHP code. Hack is simply "strict" PHP --all that don't matter again with PHP7. You should see etsy's or badoo's engineerring blog and checkout stuffs on PHP and HHVM Another thing is benchmarks have shown that HHVM's is only "slighlty" than php7. NEXT!!! You can write event-driven web-apps with PHP, you haven't seen Ratchet PHP.. Hell, how would have ? losprince: truthsayer007: Please with real arguments... y'all say something is of no use because a geek somewhere from the US says he hates it.. Speak now or remain silent forever. FrankLampard:But PHP 7 has addressed all this issue. PHP 7 is even more faster than Python 3 Let's not talk about. HHVM With a good PHP framework self your argument is pointless. I know so many C# programmers, all they do is complain of bugs, but PHP programmers program on the fly.[/quote] And Ruby seunoni34:Those the op listed are not limitations in the real sense with the exception of speed - which has been fixed in PHP7. Even in 5.x versions, you could fire up nginx/php-fpm and zend-opcache. After all is aid and done, use the best tool for the job. That said, i am not a fanboy (of PHP) but i do hate topics like this. It is funny folks do not know how the language has developed, there is ths thread on reddit that talks about "PHP Sucks" and someone went like he saw a recruiter who said he didn't know PHP is an OO language ( Link Here Anybody who comes to you and says he has a perfect language is either naïve or a salesman. -- Bjarne Stroustrup There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses -- Bjarne Stroustrup 3 Likes |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 12:31am On Jul 13, 2016 |
If your PHP is on ganja and steroids and you're having issues then you've got the right to complain, else stay mute! or everything you say would be used against you in the field of production. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by sleepingdemon: 12:57am On Jul 13, 2016 |
danidee10:haba, that one is cheat with seriodz now, for ordinary webapp youre using cython to convert to c, even facebook with thier hack stopped at c++, are you building the worlds webapp that youve decided to carry cython + numpy for webapp 2 Likes |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 1:22am On Jul 13, 2016 |
sleepingdemon: lol |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 2:00am On Jul 13, 2016 |
sleepingdemon & DanielTheGeek have been able to express my concerns very well. You guys need to get your hands doing on something CREATIVE rather than trying to DESTROY a language. I saw a Nairalander posted something on Facebook awhile back that if you are still using PHP and not NODE.JS - you are a f00l. I refused to comment because Facebook is a more serious business. 2 Likes |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by ibnusaadan03(m): 6:28am On Jul 13, 2016 |
To me, whether php,python,java or whatever, all you need is creativity as many have said. Facebook and many other successful web apps were developed using the language in subject. Even Nairaland I'm sure. Just be an expert, u will enjoy more.... Anyway, php all the way, though I still use ASP.NET Framework C# and VB.NET, but PHP is my number 1 language. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by larisoft: 2:45pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
Lol! Who said PHP is useless? Php is good for where it is good. But it is evil when used for certain things. Go and ask Jeff Atwood, anytime you have to start patching things up with using that framework and that library...things are going south because trust me, those frameworks come with their own baggage. For a small forumn? Hell Yeah! For another gmail or google drive? Hell No! Ask that guy that used PHP to write Nigeria's search engine how thats working out for him. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 3:46pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
I hereby withdraw my earlier statement, the OP is right to express his opinions - but it seems a bit harsh sha. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by ukorsimplicity(m): 3:55pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
NigAmbassador: You are joking about " PHP is best used for little project" PHP powers WordPress, Facebook and expression engine : hope you know this. Have you seen what php 7 can do? Php7 addresses all this issued talk about here. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 4:01pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
^^^the OP does not really understand what PHP is about. All his points are pretty lame. Wordpress must be a pretty small forum - in the words of the OP - to be done by PHP. And PHP (including 7 since the OP was not specific) is slow - because it is an interpreted language according to the OP. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by sleepingdemon: 6:01pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
intrestingly, im one of those ppl who ditched c# and vb.net to follow the unix like languages like php, python, node.js microsoft languages at the end of the day are a fatal bunch of lies that these people make u believe are actually better, but alas, its worse. ask all these .net developers, they know it, but wont concur 1 Like |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by onedayatime(m): 9:41pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
ukorsimplicity:do you have any good books on PHP7? |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Booyakasha(f): 10:27pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
dhtml18:Boom!!! |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by NigAmbassador: 10:44pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
ukorsimplicity: fellow coders, I am not in any way under-estimating the Php language. I code in both Php and C#. All I want to re-echo is that Nigerian programmers should up their coding skills and creativity, in order to meet the growing demand and competition in the IT world. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by ukorsimplicity(m): 12:23am On Jul 14, 2016 |
onedayatime: Not yet... |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 12:18am On Jul 15, 2016 |
ukorsimplicity: Don't mind him Jarey, he probably still uses arrays rather than literals...fu***ng procedural douche-bag. 1 Like |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by DAvIt0(m): 7:53am On Jul 15, 2016 |
Booyakasha:You meant BAAAAM!!!!!!!!!!! Right? |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by romme2u: 1:53pm On Jul 15, 2016 |
this little discussion is interesting though with a lot of chest beating it reminds us of dhtml18/donjayzi and seunthomas thread which saw asalimpo, guru01 and others flexing muscles. Kudos to dhtml18 for dousing the tensions and acting as the referee. Every programming language was developed to solve problems in a specific area of computing though most have been infused with excess baggage. it is not wise to compare general purpose programming language like python, ruby, java, c++ and C# to special purpose language like php, perl and shell. i learnt that perl is the best in regular expression matching cause that is the area it was originally built for before DBI and other modules were added to give it a semblance of general purpose language. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by NigAmbassador: 3:06pm On Jul 15, 2016 |
DanielTheGeek: And you that makes use of literals, have u solved any national or global challenge using whatever IT training you have? Its a shame that you have to degenerate to a level of a being that only express his opinion by insults.... Who cares any ways, I don't. Because eggs don't roll with stones.... #Wolf |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 7:31pm On Jul 15, 2016 |
NigAmbassador: Well I can't start wasting resourceful saliva with you or flexing muscles, I got work to do... |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 9:32pm On Jul 15, 2016 |
romme2u:I used perl a lot in the past. And right now, it is also an essential hacking tool, and i believe it is still regarded as one of the best languages for string manipulation and regular expression. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by FrankLampard: 11:27pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
IrokoTV uses PHP. yet they run a videos website larisoft. 1 Like |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 11:44pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
FrankLampard:Just hear that! 1 Like |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by FrankLampard: 8:01am On Jul 17, 2016 |
dhtml18: Yes. I have my long time classmates who works there. He is one of their 12 developer. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by larisoft: 5:52pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
FrankLampard: well...I don't know iroko TV that much, and don't know anyone personally who relies on their services. I could be wrong, but that tells me their client base is still very modest (< 1000 video plays a day). And am I the only one who finds their site painfully slow with so many texts badly colored (Can barely read the caption on their homepage)? But if its not, I have merely listed the flaws I see in PhP, all of which even though could be worked around, make the language a bad choice for certain projects. Languages have areas where they shine brightest. If a project's success is heavily dependent on concurrency, efficiency, and core OOP, using PhP is abusing PHP. But if the project's success is dependent on speed of development, low budget, and ease of maintenance, PHP is the best option I know. There are people who know better than me about these things on this forumn and my opinions are just what they are: opinions. I change them once I m provided with logical reasons. My 4 blog posts have been on the front page of nl programming section for days now, and have elicited the reactions of heavy weights I respect so much. That makes me very happy and grateful indeed. I love everything about this industry and doing what I do is an honor. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by verticalict: 5:58pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
dhtml18: Please, I want you to mentor me.. I'm a newbie, I need motivation please |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 6:13pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
verticalict:Motivation right? no problem, send me a PM and i will see if i can help you. |
Re: Why PHP Should Not Be Your Primary Language by Nobody: 6:28pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
larisoft:Dude, speed has to do with the technique of the programmer and the server resources. For example, having a good cacheing system and knowing what to cache, when to cache etc Which means that if you give a programmer like me a server that is say 2MB RAM, and a not-so-experienced programmer 10GB ram, it is still possible that I make my own application faster than that of the other programmer even if we use the same language. You need to learn lots and lots of techniques to achieve this, so do not criticize the language because Iroko is not as fast as you want. That is not sufficient reasons. You might want to research on what gives a website speed - it will be a good research. 2 Likes |
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