The test launch of the new modernized rocket of the Russian Missile defense System (ABM) was successfully carried out at the Sary-HQs

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3FXQHmdRGQ

China Z-20

China PLAN

Training of amphibious forces of the 74th Army Group in the South China Sea.

newafricaken254:
china PLAAF Z-9

The KDF is very satisfied with their Z9s,though one went down in 2011 in N Kenya. Reliable and cost effective.

launching of a DF-10 cruise missile

A400M

China YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship missile ,which resemble a lengthened Russian KH-31 anti-ship missile .with a range of 400 km.

newafricaken254:
US-Made Missile Defenses Spectacularly Failed in Saudi Arabia
"It's nothing but an unbroken trail of disasters with this weapon system."

link https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8xkgw4/patriot-missile-saudi-arabia-yemen

In service with the US and allies for 30+ years = no problem
Saudi use for 5 = "i..its the patriot thats broken! t..thats the problem!"

newafricaken254:
what if a foe makes an amphibious landing on one of numerous Japanese island !?

The Jap's have an extremely well armed military and the second best fleet in the world.

Their military limitations are that they can only be used defensibly, that is to say, they cannot fully support their allies and they cannot launch wars of aggression. That being said, they still sent small contingents to Afghanistan and Iraq.

They are in the process of amending their constitution.

Seened:
Goalkeeper CIWS?

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

nemesis4u:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z02Wt9tipDc

As I always say never follow the narrative being dished out.

Japan is now looking to add ski jumps turning it into a full fledged carrier in support of f35b.

Also the deck and the lifts from the design stage was designed to support fighter aircrafts .

So still defensive helicopter carrier as claimed publicly ?

In this world 99% is hidden and barely 1% revealed.

But it wasnt even a secret, literally everyone in the defense community knew it was built for the F35. Nips were just bending the law, and good on them for doing so.

newafricaken254:
i don't think its rocket science to vertical land a F-35B STOVL as compared to landing a F-18 on a carrier deck

Its more than just landing/taking off.

Carriers are tremendously complex systems, and operating jets off them add another layer of extreme complexity. You have jets launching/landing/re-fueling/re-arming/getting maintained all at the same time, and you have to move them around in a precise and complex order because of space limitations, and because of logistic limitations you have to preform these tasks on exact schedules in order to keep planes in the air at all times. Its like playing five different games of 3D tetris at the same time, except if you dont put the blocks in the right place.... everyone dies.

Its a huge learning curve.

For example some analysts argue that the Chinese Liaoning was never intended for actual operational use, but rather as a testing/training bed for the PLAN to build up the institutional knowledge for future carrier operations and designs. Its for this exact reason why the Russian Navy is desperately trying to keep Admiral Kuznetsov operational, even though its actual combat effectiveness is negligible, and why they mis-timing of the RN's HMS Illustrious's retirement before the HMS Queen Elizabeth was operational was such a disaster.

Now consider the fact that the Liaoning (53, 000t) is a significantly bigger vessel than the Izumo-class (27, 000t) which makes it much easyer to use (more space allows for greater margins of error).

Japs have decades of learning ahead of them and the combat-effectiveness of the Izumo class is going to be very small. IMO they will end up mainly being used for the traditional role the Japs use their carriers for: helicopter pads for sub-hunting.

Dont mind me... just posting random ships

more...

patches689:


Japs have decades of learning ahead of them

My personal opinion you got this one wrong.

The capability to do so is not in a couple of years or so but neither will it take a decade or decades.

My take 5 years or so if they decide to go for it.

They have extensive WW2 carrier experience , and since then it might surprise u that they were studying and working on carrier ops .

as they say smart people always prepare for the eventual possibility.

patches689:
Dont mind me... just posting random ships

why do I feel like this isn't random??

Is that the Atago class destroyer?

what are you covertly hinting?

This was epic trolling of Peta an organization with dubious agenda.

The above inspired a smartypantz to do the same on def....pk

Damn epic trolling

For those who don't know in the pic the only one in Pak..... fatigues is general Niazi signing the surrender document in Dhaka.

Posted only for fun purposes

nemesis4u:
The above insulted a smartypantz to do the same on def....pk

Damn epic trolling

tdayof:

Stupid autocorrect functionality

12 aim 120 bvraam

That's enough loadout to blow out a squadron provided every one of them finds it mark.

Would be fun to release all of them in maddog mode

patches689:


In service with the US and allies for 30+ years = no problem
Saudi use for 5 = "i..its the patriot thats broken! t..thats the problem!"

the reason is in this day and age of smart phones,that's why we are witnessing its failures.may be if smart phones were there during the first gulf war,the truth would have being revealed much earlier.

patches689:


Its more than just landing/taking off.

Carriers are tremendously complex systems, and operating jets off them add another layer of extreme complexity. You have jets launching/landing/re-fueling/re-arming/getting maintained all at the same time, and you have to move them around in a precise and complex order because of space limitations, and because of logistic limitations you have to preform these tasks on exact schedules in order to keep planes in the air at all times. Its like playing five different games of 3D tetris at the same time, except if you dont put the blocks in the right place.... everyone dies.

Its a huge learning curve.

For example some analysts argue that the Chinese Liaoning was never intended for actual operational use, but rather as a testing/training bed for the PLAN to build up the institutional knowledge for future carrier operations and designs. Its for this exact reason why the Russian Navy is desperately trying to keep Admiral Kuznetsov operational, even though its actual combat effectiveness is negligible, and why they mis-timing of the RN's HMS Illustrious's retirement before the HMS Queen Elizabeth was operational was such a disaster.

Now consider the fact that the Liaoning (53, 000t) is a significantly bigger vessel than the Izumo-class (27, 000t) which makes it much easyer to use (more space allows for greater margins of error).

Japs have decades of learning ahead of them and the combat-effectiveness of the Izumo class is going to be very small. IMO they will end up mainly being used for the traditional role the Japs use their carriers for: helicopter pads for sub-hunting.

with todays simulators,robots,automation and computation technology development,the task will be less complex,which japan leads in the world

The FC-1b/JF-17b 2-seater for the Pakistani Air Force, and the CF-1 for Burma.

In the FC-1 / JF-17 assembly line in Chengdu

newafricaken254:
A400M

I still prefer the An 70,price,politics and that famous Russkie reliability! At 70 mn$ to the 200 plus $ for the A 400 its a steal! Here are some infographs. Plus it moves an extra 10 T over the Airbus. Nemesis4u,come in please!

patches689:


Its more than just landing/taking off.

Carriers are tremendously complex systems, and operating jets off them add another layer of extreme complexity. You have jets launching/landing/re-fueling/re-arming/getting maintained all at the same time, and you have to move them around in a precise and complex order because of space limitations, and because of logistic limitations you have to preform these tasks on exact schedules in order to keep planes in the air at all times. Its like playing five different games of 3D tetris at the same time, except if you dont put the blocks in the right place.... everyone dies.

Its a huge learning curve.

For example some analysts argue that the Chinese Liaoning was never intended for actual operational use, but rather as a testing/training bed for the PLAN to build up the institutional knowledge for future carrier operations and designs. Its for this exact reason why the Russian Navy is desperately trying to keep Admiral Kuznetsov operational, even though its actual combat effectiveness is negligible, and why they mis-timing of the RN's HMS Illustrious's retirement before the HMS Queen Elizabeth was operational was such a disaster.

Now consider the fact that the Liaoning (53, 000t) is a significantly bigger vessel than the Izumo-class (27, 000t) which makes it much easyer to use (more space allows for greater margins of error).

Japs have decades of learning ahead of them and the combat-effectiveness of the Izumo class is going to be very small. IMO they will end up mainly being used for the traditional role the Japs use their carriers for: helicopter pads for sub-hunting.

You speak true. As usual! Fyi,the carrier deck personnel train like Olympic athletes and operate like a ballet.

Yellow is worn by aircraft handling, catapult and arresting gear officers as well as plane directors responsible for movements on deck

Brown covers air wing plane captains and leading petty officers, the people in charge of preparing aircraft for flight and keeping vehicles maintained between missions.

Green gets things going — catapult and arresting gear crews, visual landing aid electricians, air wing maintenance and quality control personnel, cargo handlers, troubleshooters and hook runners.

Purple keeps things going — they fuel and de-fuel planes.

Blue is all about transportation and communication, worn by plane handlers, aircraft elevator operators, tractor drivers and messengers.

Red spans from ordnance men and firefighters to crash and salvage crews, which all have one thing in common: they deal with dangerous stuff, be it mounting bombs and missiles or disposing of them.

White covers operational safety and other duties, including quality assurance, squadron plane inspectors, landing signal and air transfer officers, safety observers and medical personnel.


Black & White: the final checker makes exterior checks and (if all is well) gives a “thumbs up” prior to launch.

This kind of isht can happen very easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FsrNEeqd6Q

A carrier deck is almost as dangerous as a combat zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e-QG23pmuM

Imagine doing this in a sea state 3 !

Flying jets off and on ships has historically been a high peril endeavor. Especially on.

The number of U.S. sailors and Marines that have died in and around aircraft carriers is shocking — 8,500 from 1948 to 1988 (when it was just as safe to fly off a U.S. carrier as a U.S. Air Force tarmac).

https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/shipshape/several-reasons-why-aircraft-carriers-are-super-dangerous

That institutional knowledge is priceless. Acquiring it would take generations,in fact its understandable why RSA bought new subs a decade ago so as not to "lose institutional knowledge."

newafricaken254:
the reason is in this day and age of smart phones,that's why we are witnessing its failures.may be if smart phones were there during the first gulf war,the truth would have being revealed much earlier.

Dude, its just Saudi incompetence. As usual.

They cant even beat the Huthis in a CONVENTIONAL WAR.

I would completely understand if they steam rolled Yemen and then got bogged down in an insurgency, the greatest militaries in human history have consistently struggled with insurgency.

But they cant even beat the Houthis conventionally... all that armor, all those jets, all that tech against some dudes who's most advanced tech is cold-war era atgms... and the Houthis still manage to hold ground and have stable front-line.

Saudi's are terrible when it comes to military affairs... even in the first Gulf war, they had to hire Pakistanis to do their fighting for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Armed_Forces_deployments#Saudi_Arabia

ATAGS schematic Tata version

kikuyu1:


I still prefer the An 70,price,politics and that famous Russkie reliability! At 70 mn$ to the 200 plus $ for the A 400 its a steal! Here are some infographs. Plus it moves an extra 10 T over the Airbus. Nemesis4u,come in please!

Depends on the overall package , u buy a platform with all the maintenance and logistics support package in support of the entire operational life cycle than u got a good deal irrespective of the platform Ur operating (most of the time)