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|Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 8:34am On Jul 19, 2016|
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
That Bible passage debunks the claim by muslims that Abraham built Kaaba, facing it (East) to pray. Abraham would not commit what God called abomination. Please note that the passage was not written in contention with Muhammad's islam as it had not come at that time. It was what the pre-islam pagans were doing, which is what muslims are doing today. No sane person would argue that it is the same God who called it abomination would still approve it in islam.
The muslims claim the pre-islamic pagans worshiped God but only associated partners with him and so, when Muhammad came, he removed the partners and established the worship of only one God but continued worshiping the one God the same way pagans were doing it. The truth is: God cannot be worshipped as idolaters do neither can idols be worshipped as God's people do. They are not compatible.
2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
When Muhammad came, he removed other idols (possibly those belonging to other tribes) but left the Black Stone, the altars and their pillars, which had been defied by idol worship and he continued making use of them.
And after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same."
God warned the Israelites not to worship Him the same way pagans worship their gods. But today, muslims worship Allah the same way pagans worship their gods.
Deuteonomy 12:31 (NIV)
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
That was a strict warning to God's people, not to worship God the way pagans do.
Now, let us see how muslims compromised worshiping allah the same ways pagans in the pre-islamic period did:
Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is).And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.
Veneration of the Black-stone
The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshiped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks. For example, the pagan deity 'Al-Lat', mentioned in Qur'an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta'if in Saudi Arabia. An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship.
Al-lat stood in al-Ta'if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. [...]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Al-lat and al-'Uzza (Surah 53:19)?
Kitab Al-Asnam (The Book of Idols), p 14
Praying 5 Times Towards Mecca
Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca. Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.
Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing (ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam. But, contrary to the Muslims, they pray in the direction of the Sun (at each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire Temple).
Fasting on the 10th of Muharram
Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too.
Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa
Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710
Requirement of Ihram
Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.
Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706
Circumambulation 7 Times
In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Satphere, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times. In both of these rituals, religious phrases are repeated during the circumambulation.
Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshippers and pilgrims do this around the Ka'aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshipped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka'aba were removed.
Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by experimentist: 8:49am On Jul 19, 2016|
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|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 11:24am On Jul 19, 2016|
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by babajeje123(m): 11:29am On Jul 19, 2016|
Abraham made a mistake of birthing Ishmael, a vagabond
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by experimentist: 11:31am On Jul 19, 2016|
truthmans2012:spread mat. To learn more. I read the article bro, I'm learning.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 11:44am On Jul 19, 2016|
Thanks bro., be blessed.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by Demmzy15(m): 11:48am On Jul 19, 2016|
babajeje123:Abraham wished for a son and gave a son through his legally wedded wife and you have the audacity to call his son a "vagabond"?! Have you no sense?
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by experimentist: 11:50am On Jul 19, 2016|
truthmans2012:but I disagree with some parts though. Like I once read in one book Arab and Jews, the author said the prophet (SAW) switched praying from facing Jerusalem to facing Mecca because the Jews refuse to follow him.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by AbuTwins: 12:26pm On Jul 19, 2016|
I PITY YOU
[/color]YOU ARE HERE BUSY BRINGING OUT FALSE THEORY ABOUT ISLAM, ALHAMDULILLAH SOMEONE HAS DETECTED ONE OF THE LIES!!![color=#006600]
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by babajeje123(m): 12:30pm On Jul 19, 2016|
Demmzy15:FYI, Abraham wasn't married to Hagar but Sarah. Sarah forced Abraham to sleep with Hagar who was her slave. Abraham, due to his impatience, slept with her. She conceived & gave birth to Ishmael, a wanderer. Oh I forgot, he was a a great vagabond too & when his mother entered into rivalry with Sarah, they were both thrown out .
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by AbuTwins: 1:08pm On Jul 19, 2016|
SEEMS YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AS THE WORD OF GOD
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by babajeje123(m): 1:15pm On Jul 19, 2016|
AbuTwins:Who is this?
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by AbuTwins: 1:19pm On Jul 19, 2016|
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by Demmzy15(m): 1:40pm On Jul 19, 2016|
That's not what your bible stated, abi you have another authority that states otherwise?
3And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Hope you can clearly see that!
Sarah forced Abraham to sleep with Hagar who was her slave. Abraham, due to his impatience, slept with her. She conceived & gave birth to Ishmael, a wanderer.
You again abuse Abraham by accusing him of impatience, when this child was born he was blessed by God himself and you have the audacity to call him a wanderer, vagabond? May God forgive you!
It's better you stop making statements that would implicate you. If you don't like a son from Abraham(his blood), a friend of God, keep shut! Omo ale! [/font]
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 2:14pm On Jul 19, 2016|
That the Jew didn't believe him was not enough for him to do what God called abomination.
Besides, muslims believe Kaaba was built since the time of Adam, which means they just have to face it when praying. But there is nothing to prove that Adam lived in Mecca to have built Kaaba there.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 2:16pm On Jul 19, 2016|
Which one is a lie?
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by mukhcech(m): 2:17pm On Jul 19, 2016|
Public display of ignorance.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 2:29pm On Jul 19, 2016|
Did Adam live in Mecca? Prove.
If it is ignorance, give me education with authentic proof.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by babajeje123(m): 2:33pm On Jul 19, 2016|
Demmzy15:One of the traits of Muslims is to take some portions of the bible to support their gullibility while discarding portions that expose the falsehood in their so called religion. Did you bother to read the whole chapter of Genesis 16? You may need to bury your head in verses 2 & 12 if the whole chapter is too much for you to comprehend. Oh I see, you don't know the meaning of vagabond. It means jagidijagan. A trait that is latent in every muslim. At the slightest of provocation, they start manifesting their 'jagidijagan' on innocent souls.
Permit me to wound your soul with this truth. Abraham didn't become a friend of God because he slept with Hagar, a mere maid. He became God's friend because he was willing to sacrifice Issac & not Ishmael as you were wrongly taught in your stark illiterate Alfa.
Me a bastard? I laugh. You have forgotten that you originated from Ishmael, the son of a bond woman. You need Jesus so you can be his son.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by babajeje123(m): 2:37pm On Jul 19, 2016|
truthmans2012:Guy, don't mind that dude. He is a kid.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by Demmzy15(m): 2:59pm On Jul 19, 2016|
babajeje123:Mr. Man, your gra gra is too much "fara buruku bale". If you have any documents that refutes my notion, please present it. You're cursing and abusing Abraham, his wife and son. Don't you think God would punish you, I quote from biblical commentary:
Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testament:
Sarai and Abram had not counted on such a development as this. They had their weaknesses, but Hagar also had hers. Hagar was then Abram's wife, and although she was not on an equality with Sarai, being in fact her slave, she nevertheless despised her mistress.....
"Bring your prove if you are truthful, kafir!"
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 4:20pm On Jul 19, 2016|
He couldn't come up with any lie in the OP.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by Nobody: 5:30pm On Jul 19, 2016|
babajeje123:"Take your son, your only son--yes, Isaac, whom you
love so much--and go to the land of Moriah..." It is you and biblically writers whom are the stark illitrates for translating "only son" to mean isaac.The case of favouritism is glaringly obvious here.
Judging from your comment,it shows xtianity has no single value for the underprivileged of society.Didn't your bible say Hagar was Abraham's wife again .The jews you currently worship,aren't they all descendants of slaves.That 'bondswoman' Hagar happens to be the very first woman born of a woman God ever spoke to...its in your bible.All the women 'children of jesus' in your family line till the world ends simply won't add up to her class...and that's the freaking truth!
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 6:40pm On Jul 19, 2016|
The real questions in the OP are not being addressed here. The questions raised by the OP are:
Why did Muslims face Kaaba (i.e the East), which God said is abomination to Him? This had been said long before Muhammad came and God would not approve for muslims what he had disapproved before.
God warned His people not to worship Him the same way idolaters worshipped their gods. This is borne out of the fact that idols worship and God's worship are not compatible. The muslims' claim that God was previously worshipped by Abraham and Ishmael the same way idolaters did after them is untrue. It is a cunning device of Satan to make man worship him and still believing it is the worship of God. Muslims worship allah today exactly the same way pagans worshipped their god before Muhammad's islam.
The fact that other members of Abraham's family didn't participate in islamic pagan rituals in Mecca shows Abraham had no hand in it. Islam is about only Ishmael and his mother Hagai, nowhere was Isaac and his mother Sarah mentioned in worshiping in islam. Would Abraham establish islam exclusive of other members of his family? Besides, no prophet of the Bible is said to go to Mecca for worship or face Kaaba when praying. Why? Mecca is the East God said is abomination to Him because of the rituals they were doing there, which is now called islam.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by sonofthunder: 7:58pm On Jul 19, 2016|
no one seems to be refuting the op
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 9:12pm On Jul 19, 2016|
Muslims you are required to explain why God said facing the East (Kaaba) is turning your back to God's Temple and it is abomination to Him and yet muslims disobey Him?
You are also required to explain why God said He shouldn't be worshipped in the same way pagans do and yet you follow the ways of pagans in worshiping allah. How is idol worship compatible with islam so much that there is no difference?
I hope your silence is not a graveyard one.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by aminusanti(m): 4:56am On Jul 20, 2016|
Same old trash, u wld never learn
Why don't you check NL or JUMIA and see if they have a life for sale.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by babajeje123(m): 5:21am On Jul 20, 2016|
crusadistic:Like I said, you guys enjoy picking randomly some portion of the bible to suit your gullibility. What made Hagar to become Abraham's wife? Because she slept with him & bore him a son who later became a wild man. God is a God of compassion. He had to come to Hagar's aid when she was roaming about after being thrown out by Sarah-Abraham's legal wife that God recognised. Oh yes, God called Issac the only son because Ishmael wasn't the promised child. He was a child born out of Abraham's inability to wait for the real son. Did God despise Ishmael? No. Rather, he blessed him & said he would multiply. You referred to the women in my family, I laugh . They are better than Hagar. They don't abuse whatever privileges they are given. Hagar abused the privilege of giving Abraham a son by entering into a contest with Sarah. And you know what? This trait is also obvious in you guys.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by truthmans2012: 7:40am On Jul 20, 2016|
You have nothing to defend the OP.
I'm sure you will remember this thread when you find yourself in hell for disobeying God, if you do not repent.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by malvisguy212: 9:16am On Jul 20, 2016|
Demmzy15:who gave haggger to abraham ? Why did God address her as the bond woman but address sarah as the wife of Abraham ? In NO place in the bible God call her the wife of Abraham.
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by AbuTwins: 11:59am On Jul 20, 2016|
As Muslims, we believe your Bible in this present state contains words probably of God, words probably of Prophets and words probably of wise/foolish men. We believe your Bible doesnt contain the Gospel of Jesus, The Gospel he preached to the disciples and the people of Israel. All what we find in the new testament are just hearsay and letters as can be found in the beginning of most of the New testament chapters.
New International Version
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. LUKE 1 VS 1-4
SO WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL GIVEN TO JESUS, ABRAHAM, MOSES, DAVID, ETC BUT REJECT THE BIBLE!!!
|Re: Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God by Nobody: 12:12pm On Jul 20, 2016|
babajeje123:Lol...you wish not "abusing priviledges" is what makes them better than Hagar...let me not say more .And how did she abuse her 'priviledges'.All accounts in your bible shows Sarah was the one who went green with envy and jealousy.
Ishmael wasn't recognised as his son yet your confused bible said he buried Abraham...and his 'vagabond' sons control his tomb up till today
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