EkeneElectrons:


it's better to end somebody than to watch him burn to death, that's total wickedness.

and note he ending the bad people that don't want to obey his laws and if his laws are not obeyed the world can never be a better place.

So as a loving Father, it's better to end my children's lives if they don't obey me than to burn them, right?

Reiyvinn:



So as a loving Father, it's better to end my children's lives if they don't obey me than to burn them, right?

you are not in position do to that.

besides it's for the best of mankind.

and am talking of unrepentant sinners.

EkeneElectrons:


you are not in position do to that.

besides it's for the best of mankind.

and am talking of unrepentant sinners.

That's not the point bro, a "Hell fire believer" would also argue that we are not in a position of eternal justice/retribution but I'm trying to paint a picture that you sketched earlier so we can both reason out this thing.

Let's assume this "unrepentant sinner" happens to just be an unchanged liar. Now, since we are all God's children, and he is our loving Father. So by your view, the best punishment of the loving Father (God) to his unrepentant lying child is to put an end to his life, am I right?

Reiyvinn:



That's not the point bro, a "Hell fire believer" would also argue that we are not in a position of eternal justice/retribution but I'm trying to paint a picture that you sketched earlier so we can both reason out this thing.

Let's assume this "unrepentant sinner" happens to just be an unchanged liar. Now, since we are all God's children, and he is our loving Father. So by your view, the best punishment of the loving Father (God) to his unrepentant lying child is to put an end to his life, am I right?

sleep forever because na spoil

Hell only exists in the mind of the believers

EkeneElectrons:


sleep forever because na spoil

Don't tell me you're trying to sugar-coat death here bro....

You really concur with a loving Father (God) putting his unrepentant child to death (or endless sleep, as you say) as a means of punishment? Really?

Reiyvinn:


Don't tell me you're trying to sugar-coat death here bro....

You really concur with a loving Father (God) putting his unrepentant child to death (or endless sleep, as you say) as a means of punishment? Really?

take a look at the world, why is it not a better place? because humans that refuse to obey the laws of God are in control and dey don't care, what is the solution since they ain't ready to change? put them to sleep forever, let the world be a meaningful place.

EkeneElectrons:


take a look at the world, why is it not a better place? because humans that refuse to obey the laws of God are in control and dey don't care, what is the solution since they ain't ready to change? put them to sleep forever, let the world be a meaningful place.

So you mean to say that if a household is restive or out of control and certain children are the cause of it, the only way to solve it is to put them to death (or make them sleep and never wake up again)?

Reiyvinn:


So you mean to say that if a household is restive or out of control and certain children are the cause of it, the only way to solve it is to put them to death (or make them sleep and never wake up again)?

lol.. dude, you rolling round and round. the best way to eat good beans is to remove the dirty and cook the good one.

EkeneElectrons:


lol.. dude, you rolling round and round. the best way to eat good beans is to remove the dirty and cook the good one.

Now you're making an analogy that doesn't fit at all. For instance, when you separate the beans (bad from good), what then do you do with the bad once that have been separated from the rest? Burn them, bury them so they'll grow, throw them away (and they'll eventually be eaten by something else? Is there a possible way of putting that bad beans out of existence?

That beans, the analogy doesn't fit. We are talking of human lives here; lives of the children of a loving Father. Isn't it better to just have them punished (perhaps, put them away in detention or something) until they change and return back to the loving Father's family instead of killing them all?

Reiyvinn:


Now you're making an analogy that doesn't fit at all. For instance, when you separate the beans (bad from good), what then do you do with the bad once that have been separated from the rest? Burn them, bury them so they'll grow, throw them away (and they'll eventually be eaten by something else? Is there a possible way of putting that bad beans out of existence?

That beans, the analogy doesn't fit. We are talking of human lives here; lives of the children of a loving Father. Isn't it better to just have them punished (perhaps, put them away in detention or something) until they change and return back to the loving Father's family instead of killing them all?

ok then, seperate the weed for the crops.

EkeneElectrons:


ok then, seperate the weed for the crops.

If you talk of weed from crops, then you are justifying the burning aspect of justice which is explicitly stated here (Matthew 13:30; 36 - 42).

Both burning and destruction of children by their own Father in the name of justice are pure wickedness.

Reiyvinn:


If you talk of weed from crops, then you are justifying the burning aspect of justice which is explicitly stated here (Matthew 13:30; 36 - 42).

Both burning and destruction of children by their own Father in the name of justice are pure wickedness.

fire symbolizes everlasting destruction

it's not wickedness, if he doesn't do it the world will never be a better place because alot of people are not ready to obey God. please be realistic.

EkeneElectrons:


fire symbolizes everlasting destruction

it's not wickedness, if he doesn't do it the world will never be a better place because alot of people are not ready to obey God. please be realistic.

The only unrealistic thing here is your action in agreeing that burning of human's in the name of justice is bad of a loving Father who wants to punish his straying children, and your inaction in admitting that destroying of his children in the name of justice is just as bad.

In condemning "burning", you are hiding under the canopy of "love"

While in justifying destruction, you are hiding under the canopy or "justice" (or "making the world a better place"

Now you see you're not being consistent here?

Reiyvinn:


The only unrealistic thing here is your action in agreeing that burning of human's in the name of justice is bad of a loving Father who wants to punish his straying children, and your inaction in admitting that destroying of his children in the name of justice is just as bad.

In condemning "burning", you are hiding under the canopy of "love"

While in justifying destruction, you are hiding under the canopy or "justice" (or "making the world a better place"

Now you see you're not being consistent here?

ok believe in hell fire now. shey be adam and eve dey there?

EkeneElectrons:


ok believe in hell fire now. shey be adam and eve dey there?

I've not said anything about believing anything. What I'm saying in essence is that your view and there aren't any different in terms of putting the "loving" God's doctrine on a nosedive.