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This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by frubben(m): 9:11pm On Aug 06, 2016
1. Bible - seek ye first the kingdom , all other thing will be added

Pastor - Pay your tithe, all other things shall fall in place

2. Bible - Call on me anytime I would answer
Pastor - Only one the mountain and camp. can God answer u

3. Bible - Love does that hate you
Pastor - kill does that hate You

4. Bible - Sell all your property and give to the poor
Pastor - Sell all your property and take it to the church

5. Bible - treat both poor and rich equal
Pastor - Shoe get size (Lol)

6. Bible - the greatest of you should be the servant
Pastor - The greatest should be the king

7. Bible - Pray for your enemy
Pastor - kill your enemy

8. Bible - Don't enrich yourself in this world
Pastor - Riches are to show you are a Christian

9.Bible - Renew your mind to be a Christian
Pastor - Where big big cloth to be a Christian

10. Bible - All things I have freely given
Pastor - No tithe no blessing


Be wise
Honest lad
Speaking out

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Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by rexben(m): 9:33pm On Aug 06, 2016
All Pastors are anti-Jesus,Jesus is the only Pastor.
14 "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me - 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father - and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and ONE SHEPHERD.
John 10:14-16.
It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as PASTOR and teachers,
Eph 4:11.
In Greek ,the word SHEPHERD in John is "poimen",the word PASTORS in Ephesians is also "poimen".
So,the word shepherd is also the same as the word pastor(s).
According to Jesus,He clearly stated that ONE SHEPHERD(PASTOR). He also continued by saying He is the only shepherd(PASTOR).
According Jesus,there can not be another shepherd(PASTOR). There can only be strangers,thieves,robbers and hirelings. John 10:5,8,12.
But according to Paul,he claimed that Jesus gave the gift of Pastor(shepherd) to men. Ephesians 4:11.
There is a battle here. A battle between Jesus words and Paul words. Jesus said one shepherd, Paul said many shepherds. One is correct and other is wrong. Jesus can't be wrong,Paul is.
JESUS.
Jesus is the son of God,He came from the Father to do the will of the Father. He is the truth. John 14:6. He said the words that i speak are from the Father.
The one who belongs to God listens and responds to God's words. You don't listen and respond, because you don't belong to God."
John 8:47
7 Now they understand that everything you have given me comes from you, 8 because I have given them the words you have given me. They accepted them and really understand that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
John 17:7-8.
He was speaking the words of God,He could not lie nor err because He was not seeking glory from men.
PAUL.
Paul is a self acclaimed apostle of God. Jesus only appointed 12 apostles and He prepared 12 thrones. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and He was replaced by Matthias.[ Many people claimed that Paul was the one God had in mind to replace Judas,anyways he replaced Judas. I believe, nevertheless, that Paul was Judas's successor – as traitor! Judas betrayed him in his flesh; Paul betrayed him in his spirit]. According to the account of Acts,
21 Thus one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time the Lord Jesus associated with us, 22 beginning from his baptism by John until the day he was taken up from us - one of these must become a witness of his resurrection together with us."
Acts 1:21-22. Paul is or was not qualified to be an apostle.
So,because his(Paul) apostleship was questioned by others,
1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, at least I am to you, for you are the confirming sign of my apostleship in the Lord.
1 Cor 9:1-2.
He came up with a lie to back up his offices(because he had more than one office). He said
It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:11.
Anyways i won't blame Paul because he never had assess to Jesus teachings,words. Although he had the opportunities to learn from Jesus original apostles,his pride won't allow him.
But from those who were influential (whatever they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism between people ) - those influential leaders added nothing to my message.
Gal 2:6. The influential leaders he was referring to was Jesus disciples.
So,Jesus is correct by saying one shepherd /pastor. He did not give the gift of pastor to anyone,He is the only pastor.
Anybody that claims he is a pastor is thereby saying Jesus is wrong,Paul is right . In a nutshell,the person does not believe in Jesus because anyone who believes in Jesus also believes in His words.
Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and don't do what I tell you?
Luke 6:46.
So,all pastors are anti-Jesus. They neglected the words of Jesus because it doesn't profit them.
PURPOSE OF THIS WRITE-UP
I am a disciple of Jesus,i preach the gospel of Jesus only. I tell people about Jesus and His teachings.
teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
Matt 28:20.
He asked His disciples to believe and continue in His teachings only,after that they will know the truth and the truth shall set them free. His teachings as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only.
31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
John 8:31-32
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by rawpadgin(m): 10:07pm On Aug 06, 2016
reason I love church of Christ

they don't deviate from the Bible, even @ the detriment of the own wallet


they believe that tithing is not 4 Christian
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by HCpaul(m): 10:16pm On Aug 06, 2016
I reason your take but the pastors are trying cuz I don't expect them to do more than that.
Trying to key into the word of a pastor is not equivalent to serving them. They are God ordained minister but one should just be careful by intelligently matching on their steps.
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by rexben(m): 2:20pm On Aug 07, 2016
HCpaul:
I reason your take but the pastors are trying cuz I don't expect them to do more than that.
Trying to key into the word of a pastor is not equivalent to serving them. They are God ordained minister but one should just be careful by intelligently matching on their steps.
Pastors are not ordained by God. They were and are ordained by Paul Eph 4:11
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by HCpaul(m): 3:41pm On Aug 07, 2016
rexben:
Pastors are not ordained by God. They were and are ordained by Paul Eph 4:11

Misconception! Paul is only a medium through which God ordained them.

If they are not God ordained minister then why are they called God anointed vessel?

Infact, that particular verse was referencing to Jesus.
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by GoodieAmy(f): 10:30pm On Aug 07, 2016
rexben:
Pastors are not ordained by God. They were and are ordained by Paul Eph 4:11
Are you sure you read your Bible well? The 'He' there is Jesus not Paul. Dont be deceived. Read down to vs 12-13 of that same Ephesians 4 and even vs 14. Dont be tossed about by false doctrines and fake people who claim to be christians. Frubben posts about fake pastors and false doctrines a lot and most times, i wonder if his church is full of fake people and what he has done to make things better. If he could invest time in knowing God well, he'll be a better critic of things, especially those that matter in the Kingdom rather than attack fake people who are headed to their doom and make it seem like all are fake. If he could take out time to talk about doctrines that are true and godly, if he could talk about the love of God, if he could talk about how God used him to bless a life, i'd enjoy reading his posts. Frubben if you're to attack pastors and their deeds, try to give a solution and dont just give people the opportunity to insult others anyhow. We're supposed to be christians here... Thanks for reading..
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by frubben(m): 11:22pm On Aug 07, 2016
GoodieAmy:
Are you sure you read your Bible well? The 'He' there is Jesus not Paul. Dont be deceived. Read down to vs 12-13 of that same Ephesians 4 and even vs 14. Dont be tossed about by false doctrines and fake people who claim to be christians. Frubben posts about fake pastors and false doctrines a lot and most times, i wonder if his church is full of fake people and what he has done to make things better. If he could invest time in knowing God well, he'll be a better critic of things, especially those that matter in the Kingdom rather than attack fake people who are headed to their doom and make it seem like all are fake. If he could take out time to talk about doctrines that are true and godly, if he could talk about the love of God, if he could talk about how God used him to bless a life, i'd enjoy reading his posts. Frubben if you're to attack pastors and their deeds, try to give a solution and dont just give people the opportunity to insult others anyhow. We're supposed to be christians here... Thanks for reading..

Nice write, tanks for the correction, but if u read my post with attention u will c the solution in he critics. I don't just create a thread to disturb, I do it because I see wat happen daily in our Father (GOD) School (church). And lastly if I have not being helping I won't be criticizing, I believe through my thread people will understand some certain truth. Tanks bro. One love
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by rexben(m): 12:05am On Aug 08, 2016
HCpaul:


Misconception! Paul is only a medium through which God ordained them.

If they are not God ordained minister then why are they called God anointed vessel?

Infact, that particular verse was referencing to Jesus.
Who calls them God anointed vessel? Eph 4:11 was believed to be referring to Jesus but it does not
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by GoodieAmy(f): 9:57am On Aug 08, 2016
frubben:


Nice write, tanks for the correction, but if u read my post with attention u will c the solution in he critics. I don't just create a thread to disturb, I do it because I see wat happen daily in our Father (GOD) School (church). And lastly if I have not being helping I won't be criticizing, I believe through my thread people will understand some certain truth. Tanks bro. One love
I agree that there are fake churches around but my point is that you should dwell more on the real and genuine ones instead of creating an avenue for people to hate, causing them to sin. Dwell more on the certain truths you want people to know of. Some people that are not that spiritual will 'get angry in the spirit' and instead of helping to make things better, they find genuine excuses to doubt God and His works and also leave the church. If you too are that spiritual, you wont invest time in all this. I read some of your posts, i'm actually following you...i learn some things but your posts are enough to make me hate all pastors if i'm not deeply rooted. Lastly, i'm a lady not a bro. Thanks again.
Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by frubben(m): 10:59am On Aug 08, 2016
GoodieAmy:
I agree that there are fake churches around but my point is that you should dwell more on the real and genuine ones instead of creating an avenue for people to hate, causing them to sin. Dwell more on the certain truths you want people to know of. Some people that are not that spiritual will 'get angry in the spirit' and instead of helping to make things better, they find genuine excuses to doubt God and His works and also leave the church. If you too are that spiritual, you wont invest time in all this. I read some of your posts, i'm actually following you...i learn some things but your posts are enough to make me hate all pastors if i'm not deeply rooted. Lastly, i'm a lady not a bro. Thanks again.

Wow! I though u were a guy o no vex abeg, cos I lik treating ladies with respect. If u would agree with me, am not after the name pastors, am after the activities of the pastor, how they do things and hw dey behave like boss in the church. Well I got your point and I promise to make amends. Thanks

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Re: This Clearly Shows We Follow Pastor Instead Of God by GoodieAmy(f): 11:30am On Aug 08, 2016
frubben:


Wow! I though u were a guy o no vex abeg, cos I lik treating ladies with respect. If u would agree with me, am not after the name pastors, am after the activities of the pastor, how they do things and hw dey behave like boss in the church. Well I got your point and I promise to make amends. Thanks
No problem...i no dey vex. More grace...

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