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Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by blkmum700: 3:44am On Jul 30, 2009
guys someone should post the contraditions in the bible and lets poster defend its,silly idiot,you know notting about islam,you just follow religion name after one man,You are been brainwash.
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by sleek29(m): 7:43am On Jul 30, 2009
Abuzola:

On inheritance lets see
Quran 4:11-12
11) 'Allah commands you as regards your children (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females, if only daughters, two or more, their share is two thirds of the inheritance, if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of inheritance to each if the deceased left children, if no children and the parents are the heir, the mother has a third, if the deceased left brothers, the mother has a sixth, after the payment of legacies he may have bequeathed or debts. You know not which of them , whether ur parents or ur children, are nearest to you in benefit: Are ordained by Allah. And Allah is ever ALL KNOWER ALL WISE

Note: This inheritance is all about children's inheritance, you can confirm yourself from the first sentence of the verse.


12) 'in that which your wives leave, your share is a half if they have no child. But if they leave a child, you get a forth of that which they leave after payment of legaches that they may have bequeathed or debts. In that which you leave, their share is a fourth if you leave no child, but if you leave child, they get an eighth of that which you leave after payment of legacies that you may have bequeathed or debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question has left neither ascendants nor descendants but has left a brother or sister each of the two gets a sixth but if more than two, they share in a third, after payment of legacies he may have bequeathed or debts, so that no loss is caused (to anyone). This is a commandment from Allah and Allah is Ever All knowing, Most Forbearing'

Note: This verse is all about the inheritance of a husband and wife if anyone of them demise, how the husband or wife inherit it, you can confirm from the subject matter of the verse.

Please i hope you know mathematics, if you do please do an example for me, 1son and 3 daughters, you just like dodging issues, what did you just do!!!
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by Abuzola(m): 8:13am On Jul 30, 2009
I made it clear that the 3 verses weren't related to each other at all
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by Nezan(m): 12:10pm On Jul 30, 2009
;d
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by sleek29(m): 1:00pm On Jul 30, 2009
@abuzola, we are talking about one verse, why do you keep hiding, i asked you to explain.
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by Abuzola(m): 3:31pm On Jul 30, 2009
Don't be ridiculous, don't you know maths, all am saying is The answer can't be applicable to the other two verses because they ain't related
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by ashiqsal: 7:32am On Dec 18, 2010
Ayat (verses) 41:9-12 "(verse 9) Say: Is it that ye Deny Him (Allah) Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the worlds. (verse 10) He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (sustenance). (verse 11) Moreover, He Comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' (verse 12) So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We (Allah) adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) The Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge."

There is no contradiction in the Noble Verses above.
In the above Holy Verses (7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 32:4, and 25:59) we see that Allah Almighty clearly states that He created the universe in six days. Holy Verses (41:9-12) describe the primal creation of our physical earth and the physical heavens around us. If we count the two days mentioned in (41:9), the four days, mentioned in (41:10), and the two days mentioned in (41:12), we get a total of eight days. However, the four days in (41:10) include the two days in (41:9), because the processes described in (41:9-10) form one series. In the one case it is the creation of the formless matter of the earth; and in the other case it is the gradual evolution of the form of the earth, its mountains and seas, and its animal and vegetable life, with the "nourishment in due proportion, (41:10)" proper to each.

To further understand the complexity of the creation of the earth, let us look at Ayat (verses) 15:19-20 "And the earth We (Allah) have spread out (Like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. And We (Allah) have provided therein means of subsistence- for you and for those for whose sustenance ye are not responsible." Majesty, order, beauty, and harmony are shown in all Allah's Creation, but especially in the heavens. Coming nearer to man, Allah's care for man and His goodness are shown (besides His other qualities) in His creation of the earth. In highly poetical language, the earth is described as spread out like a carpet, on which the eternal hills act as weights to keep it steady.

when it speaks about the creation of earth 2 days then the mountains for 4 days. but for the heavens it is used by the word tumma which means moreover or simultaneously which means heavens and the earth were created simultaneously for 2 days. so the qurans is perfect
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by LagosShia: 11:45am On Dec 18, 2010
was the earth created in 6 or 8 days according to the Quran? is there a contradiction? find your answer here AND SEE HOW THE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY IS EXPOSED:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYebSPxBNeA


THE MIRACULOUS QURAN!

Quran 32:5
'He manages and regulates affairs from the heavens to the earth, then it affair will go up to Him, in One Day, the space whereof is a thousand years of your reckoning'

Quran 70:4
'The Angels and Ruh (Angel Gabriel) ascend to Him in a Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years'

IS THERE A CONTRADICTION?ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! FIND OUT (HINT:BOTH VERSES TALK ABOUT SPEED,DISTANCE AND TIME):


WATCH THIS:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=438413491889&oid=148935721812480&comments

READ THIS:

http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by LagosShia: 11:50am On Dec 18, 2010
[Quran 70.4] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.


Here angels will experience 1 day while humans will measure it as 50,000 years (time vs. time and not time vs. distance as the previous lunar verse). However, according to the theory of special relativity, given this time difference (time dilation), we can calculate the speed at which that object traveled. We can verify if those angels really accelerate up to the speed of light, as claimed by Moslems, or not. Outside gravitational fields it is:

[img]http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light/speed_of_light_01.gif[/img]



(Where ∆to is the time measured for a mover by a mover; ∆t is the time measured for a mover by a stationary frame; v is the velocity of the mover relative to the stationary observer):

∆to is the time experienced by angels (1 day).

∆t is the time as measured by humans (50,000 lunar years x12 lunar months/lunar year x 27.321661 days/lunar month).

v is the velocity of angels in this case (which we intend to calculate and then compare to the known speed of light).

c is the nominal speed of light, 299792.458 km/s.

From the above equation we can solve for the unknown velocity:


[img]http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light/speed_of_light_02.gif[/img]

This time dilation (time difference) shows that angels indeed accelerate to relativistic speeds; outside gravitational fields this is the same speed calculated from the previous lunar verse also outside gravitational fields.

We cannot calculate our local speed of light from this time dilation however we can calculate at what percentage of the speed of light those angels are traveling relative to an observer on Earth. By this we can compare a time dilation (50,000 years vs. one day) with a speed (12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day). We can do this by translating both of them to a common speed in km/sec. Outside gravitational fields 50,000 years vs. one day shows angels traveling at 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day; it is the same speed in km/sec. However inside gravitational fields 50,000 years vs. one day shows angels crossing a wormhole at a few meters/sec. This is a picture of a wormhole. The Quran says that angels use these wormholes to reach any place in the universe. An observer outside gravitational fields sees those angels passing by him at 99.99999, % of the speed of light (relativistic speeds, very close to the local speed of light), that is at 299792.457999, km/s. But when those angels enter the gravitational field of a wormhole this observer still sees those angels entering the wormhole at 99.99999, % of the speed of light however that would no longer be at 299792.457999, km/s. This is because the measured speed of light is a variable depending upon the reference frame of the observer. If he sees the speed of light in a wormhole at 10 meters/sec, for example, then he would see those angels traveling at only 9.999999, meters/sec, flapping their wings in slow motion, reddish in color and very dim (and in turn they would see him in fast motion, bluish in color and very bright).

A smaller time dilation (say 100 or 1000 years vs. one day) can also occur if we stand on Earth and angels stand on a pulsar or a neutron star (or resist their fall into a pulsar, see Gravitational Time Dilation below). This makes their velocity relative to us to be zero (and not 299792.457999,  km/s). Naturally occurring wormholes connect distant black holes; however at a lower time dilation (100 or 1000 years vs. one day) the two entrances of the wormhole cannot connect; hence a wormhole cannot form. So with the time dilation stated in the Quran (50,000 years vs. 1 day) and the fact that angels are moving then those angels have to be crossing a wormhole. The pulsar scenario or any other combination cannot do. Learn more: Wormholes

Moslems ask how could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have figured out Time Dilation and the core of Relativity?

http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by LagosShia: 11:55am On Dec 18, 2010
Speed of Light = 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day

1400 years ago it was stated in the Quran (Koran, the book of Islam) that angels travel in one day the same distance that the moon travels in 1000 lunar years, that is, 12000 Lunar Orbits / Earth Day. Outside gravitational fields 12000 Lunar Orbits / Earth Day turned out to be the known speed of light!

You can do a quick Google search for "speed of light" and immediately get 299792.458 km/sec; however physics wise this is meaningless. Why? Because you cannot talk about the speed of light without defining your frame of reference. 299792.458 km/sec is the measured speed of light in local inertial frames. So if you want to make a comparison with "299792.458 km/sec" then you have to make it in a "local inertial frame". But from General Relativity we know that as long as Earth is orbiting the sun then Earth is a non-inertial frame of reference. Earth can only be a local inertial frame if it exits the solar system or it enters a gravitational freefall towards the sun (straight in from afar).

When we compare the nominal speed of light with 12000 Lunar Orbits / Earth Day inside the gravitational field of the sun (non-inertial) we get 11% difference; when we compare them outside the gravitational field of the sun (inertial) we get zero% difference: The distance to the sun is not a constant; so as the distance to the sun increases the difference in energy causes the length of the lunar orbit to change. When the Earth-moon system exits the solar system (becomes inertial) 12000 Lunar Orbits / Earth Day becomes equal to the speed of light.



Moslems (Muslims) believe that angels are low density creatures, and that God created them originally from light. They move at any speed from zero up to the speed of light. It is the angels who carry out God's orders. Those angels take their orders from a Preserved Tablet somewhere in outer space, and not from God's Throne. They commute to and from this Preserved Tablet to get their orders from God. In the following verse, the Quran describes how angels travel when they commute to and from this Tablet. And the speed at which they commute to and from this Tablet turned out to be the known speed of light:



[Quran 32.5] (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

It is the angels who carry out these orders (see Arabic wording at footnote [1]). Those people back then measured the distances neither in kilometers nor in miles but rather by how much time they needed to walk. For example, a village two days away meant a distance equivalent to walking for two days; ten days away meant a distance equivalent to walking for ten days,  However in this verse the Quran specifies 1000 years of what they counted (not what they walked). Those people back then followed the lunar calendar and counted 12 lunar months each year. These months are related to the moon and not related to the sun. Hence in 1 day the angels will travel a distance of 1000 years of what they counted (the moon). Since this verse is referring to distance, then God is saying that angels travel in one day the same distance that the moon travels in 12000 lunar orbits. Outside the gravitational field of the sun this speed turned out to be the known speed of light.

Since we are considering 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day in free space (outside the gravitational field of the sun) then we have to remove the effect of sun's gravity on the Earth-moon system:
(CONTINUE READING FROM THE SAME WEBSITE GIVEN ABOVE, )
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by LagosShia: 12:09pm On Dec 18, 2010
Holy Quran 27:93:

"And say Praise be to Allah,He will show you His signs,so that you shall recognize them;nor is your Lord heedless of what you do."

Holy Quran 41:53

We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'ân) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?
Re: The Numerical Contradictions In The Quran by Backslider by Rasedul10: 8:12am On Jul 15, 2014
In the Verse 4:11 the Quran has described 1(full) part. And next verse is i say one kind of Adjustment. First wife will get 1/8 if He has children otherwise 1/4 for wife. By paying wife his portion, then calculate the previous verse supposing the rest of property as 1. distribute to children and parents. There is no numerical mistakes.

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