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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Saddamochieng00(m): 1:23pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
obaaderemi: I think you should be more worried about your country. Just saying 5 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:34pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Saddamochieng00:And you shouldn't be worried about your country? A country ravaged by starvation, corruption and inequality. You have a relatively small population, minimal terrorism and you don't have the kind of backwardness and primordial attitude prevalent in northern Nigeria with its huge population. So how come your indices are still bad, even when overcooked. Ghana is ahead of you in HDI for example and your economy just remains small. You shouldn't bring lists you can't defend. 5 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:45pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:No way! This explanation is not tenable. If we go by UN stats, life expectancy in South Africa is higher than in Togo. SA 63. Togo 60 years. Literacy level in SA is 87% while in Togo it's 62% even lower than Nigeria. Let's not talk of poverty level. I told you we know Togo very well, its people are economic migrants in Nigeria. There's absolutely no way you can mention that country and South Africa in the same breath in terms of human capital index. And there's absolutely no way Nigeria can be at 0.36 except when the enumerators factor in terrorism in northern Nigeria which most of them assume affects the whole country like it affects the north. Nigeria has not done well over the years, especially with the current government but it's not as bad as the media make it. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Vlain: 4:30pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
I see u guys have swallowed ur pride and continued with ur obsession on Nigeria... meanwhile Kenyans can’t get enough of Nigerian celebs.. this is BBN star girl .Erica. The obsession on anything Nigeria is real .Even in our entertainment and reality tv stars. 3 Likes
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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 6:12pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:what's with all these conjectures and plenty of talks..? Any country that utilises its Human resource will not have the kind of poverty and unemployment in Kenya. That country will also have a higher per capita production and productivity. The list is based on assumptions and not reality. Kenya is not a match for SA in education or health care, SA has one of the best educational systems on the continent and the number of foreign students trooping there is a testament to their standards. The advance medical treatment happening in SA that can not be found in Kenya is a testament to their level of healthcare provisions. Now you can continue with your mediocre write up 2 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by kikuyu1(m): 6:50pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018: True. All my cousins who've studied down South are shocked at the quality of most of their Black Saffas colleagues, be it STEM or arts courses. We're talking of Wits/UCT/Western Cape and Rhodes 94 to date . They routinely struggle with the basics! We can agree to disagree on AIDS/HIV, though. |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 7:49pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Vlain:Did she go to Kenya? |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 9:19pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
You're a typical oxymoron. Don't argue about empirical data. Argue about your understanding or interpretation. You think WB just randomly place countries? Kenya and South Africa have been assesed on educational outcomes...for many years...for example SACMEQ since 1990s..and Kenya kids...randomly sampled...outperform South Africa kids..nothing complicated...just basic reading and writting at a certain level. Of course you have literacy by UNESCO...that bit like can you understand general English...but we are talking a little more serious here....can a Nigeria kid randomly picked be able to read a paragragh in English and understand or do basic maths. obaaderemi: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 9:27pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
It more like USA - black Americans education is totally messed up if not absent - it almost a misnomer to find blacks getting to good universities without affirmative action. kikuyu1: 3 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 9:30pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Study the law of averages. That may help you. Otherwise South Africa has a world class part of it - and the part - where the KwereKwere are killing Nigeirans and Somalis for stealing their jobs...a typical Somali has no schooling except Islamic basic education of Koran in Madrassa...and yet a typical Somalis is better than a typical South African. South Africa outside western cape and outside the seggrated enclaves in cities; it a hell hole. A kid in Soweto doesnt receive the same education with a kid in Sandton. In a place like a kenya - you find a kid in Turkana competing with a Nairobi Kid. Nigeria obviously is messed up..Northern kids are in BOKO HARAM western education is evil movement. Just30: 1 Like |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 9:38pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:Your bovine character always shines through, doesn't it? If you still believe data from world institutions are infallible then you know next to nothing, especially with what covid19 has taught us. And I thought we were talking about South Africa and Togo, not South Africa and Kenya. You are desperate. And yes if you picked a random child in Nigeria to read in English or do basic maths, they can. And finally, a person can not be an oxymoron. Don't throw English words around like a slowpoke, please. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 10:02pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
You personify an oxymoron - I would have called you a slowpoke but here you're a rare specimen. Togo and Ghana are on the same plank and south africa...under performing. The methodology is solid.. HCI..is based on solid emperical data...maybe they are few outliers..but generally it cannot help Nigeria at the bottom of any index out there. What will help Nigeria is facing her's problem head on. The myriad of problems. Kenya we keep telling you is very progressive country - a country that is largely semi-arid and barely any minerals or natural resources - and yet does better by African standards - and is clearly a regional north star - is to be admired. If you were not so obtuse - you'd have realized - that kenya without 2 million barrels a day of Oil like NIgeria or Gold like Ghana or arable land - is able to achieve this thanks to it's investment in HCI. And it no doubt not only World Bank - but many others have noticed - Kenya very impressive HCI scores. For how else would you explain Kenya impressive progress ? No natural resources? Human resource. Kenya high quality of education and it's outcomes have been praised and recognised long before WB thought about HCI index. Heck Airtel/Zain had to cancel their African show coz kenya teams won nearly everything from quarters.....except for a fluke by Ibandan in one year. For example - this not World Bank. https://www.biznews.com/africa/2018/03/05/south-africa-kenya-education-schooling To get a sense of Kenya’s historical overperformance, consider the 2007 results of standardised tests for sixth graders conducted by the Southern and East African Consortium for Monitoring Educational Quality. Kenya’s average score was 557 points. That’s well above South Africa’s average of 495 points. Kenyan children’s basic literacy and numeracy skills were stronger than South Africa’s. obaaderemi: 3 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:24pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:It is base on averages that a person will readily pick education in south Africa over education in Kenya, because of the world class graduate SA schools produce. You are talking as if Kenya kids are not massively failing in schools. How does that even happen? |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:32pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:No one invest in HCI You are a confuse kid. All the countries you are trying to compare Kenya to, spend more per child in both education and health. Hence why SA, Ghana and Nigeria have more productivity than Kenya. Resources is not what makes a person productive, it's the grooming and the available opportunities. This explains why Kenyans are so poor despite a huge arable land that remain fallow because kenyans are not smart enough to acquire irrigation technologies. Despite all the natural resource in Kenya, the country cannot even afford to carry out geological surveys. Kenya does not invest in it human capital and that is why the country lack critical experts needed to run it. |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 10:32pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
The first part don't make sense. That is an indictment of the Ghana education. I guess you went for afternoon track. You cannot communicate. The 2nd part - Kenya exams are not moderated - they were times they were moderated to achieve a "normal curve" but not anymore. Most exams worldwide are moderated to get that normal curve. Normal curve mean an A could be go as low as even 50 percent...so even if exam is done in worst country...you get normal pass rate....now in Kenya an A is an A so kenya kids will fail - because it expected same standard of exam would apply to say kids in Finland or Japan...an A is 85 marks...if nobody get it...too bad..it will not be moderated to get a normal curve. I hope with your poor Ghanian education you understand normal curve and moderation of exams. Kenyans take exams seriously - and has historically does that - teachers can even get killed for school underperformance. Kenyan kids definitely study harder than most countries in Africa....at least the one I know. Just30: 3 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 10:35pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Madman what exactly are you trying to say Just30: |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:41pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:Its because of terrible kenyan education, that is why you can't read clauses to understand. I wonder what you mean by not moderated and moderated, again, let me repeat what Obaaderemi told you.... "dont throw about English words you dont understand". Sorry, it's only in barbaric countries that teachers get killed for exam outcomes. Kenyan kids are badly taught and the result is what we see from you.... bad at math, Science, English, Engineering and Tech. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:42pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:Lunatic Go and give it to a lecturer in Kenya to explain it to you. |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 10:44pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
I knew you won't understand what exam moderation is - and what normal curve is - and hello - kenya has highest HCI scores in Africa - by far. Kenya kids badly taught If kenyan kids sit for that WESSCE thing of yours - all the top 1000 positions will be kenyans Just30: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 10:49pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Here is my lecturer reply. https://medium.com/edwell/how-kenya-became-the-strongest-education-system-in-africa-70cdc72024c4 Before even this WB report 2017, the World Economic Forum rated Kenya’s education system as the strongest on the African continent. In 2018, the World Bank ranked Kenya the top African country for education outcomes (1st out of 43 mainland countries). In 2019, a Kenyan was named the most outstanding teacher in the world and awarded a prestigious $1 million prize. Just30: 3 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:52pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:Just accept it dumb kid You used moderation wrongly and kenya is to blame for that. You used moderation to talk about marking scheme and that shows your lack of understanding of what Moderation is... The is nothing like normal curve in exam outcomes because each year, the curve varies. Kenya has high HCI scores but it doesn't translate to actual. With high HCI, kenyans need not to be poor to the extent that they currently are. Unemployment shouldn't be as high as it is In Kenya. Kenya productivity shouldn't be as low as Zimbabwe. Kenyan kids wont even score 39 out of 100 which is a failure, should they sit for a WASSCE. WASSCE is highly competitive and our graduates compete with the best of the world. Hope you understand now |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 10:56pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Look here slowpoke. Exam moderation is done to ensure that normal curves is reflected - that means the marks/grades varies year to year. In kenya we do not do that. Not anymore. We keep it constant. An A is the same - even if exams were a tad difficult or candidate weaker. So we have many failures because gov has refused to keep changing the normal curve....this deliberate policy to ensure kids study hard. As for west africa's useless WASSCE. - let stick to World Bank and such comparison. Your word really count for nothhing. Just30: |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 10:59pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:I think we all know not to take WEF seriously.... a gathering of messed up liberals who will boldly tell the world that Togo has better education system than Israel and Spain. What has awarding a teacher got to do with producing better outcomes that can be competitive worldwide? The Ghanaian educational system create world class human resources that can compete worldwide in all fields of specialty they choose. |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:02pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
The ones we have seen here can barely string together a sentence in English. Just30: 1 Like |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:05pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:you are really dumb Exam moderation has nothing to do with changing the marking scheme or not. Go and learn more..... So tell me why Kenya was messing up with marking schemes.... was it that desperate to end mass failure? Yeah let's stick to what the outcomes are A better educational system will never have mass failures on the levels that exist in kenya. The Ghanaian educational system produce world class expertise in all field from nuclear science, to medicine onwards to engineering and tech. Something that the kenyan educational system can't match That puts WASSCE above KCSE the other useless one |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:07pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:your kind can't even add 2 to 2 I wish, putting together a sentence in English was a measure of intelligence but it's not. Math is universal |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:10pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Marking scheme of course changes with questions every year. The grading system - what constitute an A or B or C or division 1 or 2 - is normally moderated to achieve a normal curve - sort of predetermined pass and failure rate . You're just too obtuse. Ghana cannot produce nothing world class. You graduate when they go abroad - have to basically dump their previous papers in the sea - and start on a new clean slate - go back to school - and learn everything.It like Nigeria. Educational outcome we are talking about is not a Ghanian who go abroad - redo - everything and excel. It's homegrown kid from your basic to university who excel without stepping out of Ghana. Just30: |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:14pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
The Global Educational ranking that placed Ghana at the bottom of 76 nations in Science and Mathematics, was based on a 2011 Data, Professor Naana Jane Opoku-Agyemang, Education Minister said on Tuesday.Other countries in the lowest ranks together with Ghana were Oman, Morocco, Honduras, and South Africa which were ranked 72, 73, 74 and 75 respectively. Youre worse than South Africa...worst ever...in TIMSS. Just30: 1 Like |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:19pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:wow so the grading system in kenya changes every year? In Ghana, everyone knows an A starts at 86/100 and an F is below 40.. Please get to know what exam moderation is and stop confusing it with a marking scheme or grading. All Ghana's graduate are highly sort after because Ghana produce world-class professionals and Ghanaian graduates are highly competitive. Whether in Ghana or not in Ghana, speaks to the quality of Ghanaian education which enables them to become top performers in their fields and globally recognise |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:21pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
rvp2018:Unfortunately, Kenya did not meet the criteria to even be picked out of Africa... That makes Kenya even worse off. The best In Africa were picked and compared to the worlds best. If Kenya invest in it human resource like Ghana, SA and Nigeria does, it will be able to raise a lot of kenyans out of poverty and the slums 2 Likes |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Vlain: 11:45pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
obaaderemi: Yes they’ve been disturbing her on social media to visit Kenya. |
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obiano13: 1:10am On Jun 21, 2021 |
obaaderemi: I dont expect a monkey like you to know me since you are always too busy scratching your monkey balls. |
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