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The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 5:40pm On Oct 07, 2016
Salaam alaykum brothers and sisters in Islam, I want to discuss about the issue of hijab, should the hands and face be covered or not?

Until this week, I held the view that covering of the hands and face is waajib(compulsory), I've heard couple of times some brothers and sisters saying its not compulsory but I didn't find their proof convincing, they usually bring a narration that is weak from sunan Abu dawood;


It was narrated from Aa'ishah that Asma bint Abi Bakr entered upon the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) wearing a thin garment. The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) turned away from her and said: “Oh Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it is not proper for anything to be seen of her except this and this,” and he pointed to his face and hands.”
{Hadeeth no: 4140}.

So I usually don't accept it from them because like I've said, its a weak narration, but this week I found out that the narration is actually reliable from shaykh Al-Albanee's book "Jilbab al-Mar’at al-Muslimah"

Shaykh Al-Albanee explains reasons behind this Hadeeth’s reliability in great detail:

“.... (The isnad of the narration) Basheer from Qatadah from Khaleed ibn Durayk from Aa'ishah. Ibn Adiy added that he (Khaleed) once attributed it to Umm Salamah instead of Aa'ishah. Abu Dawood said after bringing the narration "This Hadeeth is a Mursal hadeeth(in other not to make it boring, click HERE to know what a mursal hadeeth is) Khalid ibn Durayk did not meet Aa'ishah." Also, Sa’eed ibn Basheer is weak according to Hafidh ibn Hajar in At-Taqrib. However, this Hadeeth has been reported through other ways that strengthens it:

# A Mursal report recorded by Abu Dawood (no. 437) from Qatadah with an authentic chain that includes neither ibn Durayk nor ibn Basheer: "indeed, once a young girl reaches menses, it is not right for her to expose except her face and hands to the wrists."

# At-Tabarani and Al-Bayhaqi recorded via ibn Lahi’ah from Iyadh from Abdullaah from Ibraheem bin Rufa’ah Al-Ansari from his father from (he believed) Asma bint Umays that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) entered Aishah’s house while she had with her sister Asma bint Abi Bakr, who was wearing wide-sleeved clothes (see the narration in question for the remainder of this Hadeeth text)..... There is no doubt that a report by ibn Lahi’ah does not go below the level of Hasan when it has supportive narrations, as is the case here....” {Jilbab al-Mar’at al-Muslimah pages 58-59}

Therefore, as we can see the correct view is that the Niqob is mustahab(recommended), and not waajib(obligatory).

Shaykh Al-Albanee's knowledge of the Shawaheed (supporting narrations in Hadeeth) was one thing which was uncontested to by other shuyukh of his time. Shaykhain Ibn Baz and Uthaymeen even attested to this. While some Hadeeth scholars would only grade the single Hadeeth, Shaykh Al-Albanee would take into account all supporting accounts of the Hadeeth. So some Ahadeeth are authentic due to other texts with the same meaning. This made Al-Albanee's methodology more correct versus other scholars of his day.

However, wearing the Niqob is better and safer and this is what I prefer, Shaykh Al-Albanee said:

“Whoever adheres to the obligation, it is good enough; and whoever does the mustahab(recommendation), it is better.” (Jilbab al-Mar’at al-Muslimah, page 28).

Now some might ask what about the narration where the prophet said "all of the woman is awrah"? This is the proof Shaykh al-Munajid(the owner of islamqa.info) used, well I say, since we've seen another reliable narration that specifically mentioned that "hands and faces" can be uncovered, then we will use the latter, we have words that are mutashabihat(unspecified) from the prophet, this is one of them, so we understand what the prophet means from other clear words of his.

Salaam alaykum.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 5:46pm On Oct 07, 2016
Jazakallahu Khiran

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 5:52pm On Oct 07, 2016
Contact17:
Jazakallahu Khiran


Wa ant fajazakillaah khaira!

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 9:38am On Oct 08, 2016
So having cleared that up, we talk about how exactly should the hijab be?

#It should cover all the body apart from whatever has been exempted.

#It should not be an adornment in and of itself.

#It should be thick and not transparent or “see-through”

#It should be loose, not tight so that it describes any part of the body, showing the contours of your body.

#It should not be perfumed

#It should not resemble the clothing of men, not even "female trousers" or "leggings" outside your home.

#It should not resemble the dress of kaafir women

#It should not be a garment of fame and vanity


And as an addition, do not wear your hijab like this;

[img]http://bilalshariff.files./2013/12/1176389_584806371582670_507286660_n.jpg[/img]

And Allaah knows best....

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 10:13am On Oct 08, 2016
#It should not resemble the clothing of men, not even[b] "female trousers" or "leggings" except if you can justify a guy wearing earrings because that particular earrings is for "males"?[/b]
I need more explanation on this
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 10:33am On Oct 08, 2016
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I need more explanation on this


I dont think i understand your question properly, but today we see girls wearing trousers under hijab such that we see the shape of their legs and so on......there would say its not imitation of men because these trousers are made exclusively for females, but the argument doesn't make sense, you are imitating men, cuz trousers is originally for men.....

The prohibition of imitating men and vice versa is so strictly frowned at such that it also affects the wearing of footwear that are for male and vice versa, its prohibited just as Aa'ishah said.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 10:44am On Oct 08, 2016
lexiconkabir:


I dont think i understand your question properly, but today we see girls wearing trousers under hijab such that we see the shape of their legs and so on......there would say its not imitation of men because these trousers are made exclusively for females, but the argument doesn't make sense, you are imitating men, cuz trousers is originally for men.....

The prohibition of imitating men and vice versa is so strictly frowned at such that it also affects the wearing of footwear that are for male and vice versa, its prohibited just as Aa'ishah said.

I understand that wearing trousers outside is wrong because it shows the shape of the legs but what about at home? Because when you say imitating men I tend to think that it's not permissible at all.
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 11:02am On Oct 08, 2016
Contact17:


I understand that wearing trousers outside is wrong because it shows the shape of the legs but what about at home? Because when you say imitating men I tend to think that it's not permissible at all.

Oh! Actually I'm speaking about hijab and hijab is used for non-mahrams, right? And as for wearing trousers at home, I'm not too sure about the ruling, although I've heard some(even shaykh munajid I think) saying its allowed, but I don't agree with them cuz if wearing of sandals that are for male is considered imitating men by Aa'ishah then what about trousers?
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 11:30am On Oct 08, 2016
lexiconkabir:


Oh! Actually I'm speaking about hijab and hijab is used for non-mahrams, right? And as for wearing trousers at home, I'm not too sure about the ruling, although I've heard some(even shaykh munajid I think) saying its allowed, but I don't agree with them cuz if wearing of sandals that are for male is considered imitating men by Aa'ishah then what about trousers?

I understand now.
Regarding imitating men, https://islamqa.info/en/11083

Perhaps the sandals were specifically for men alone. Trousers aren't specifically for men because they are worn by both genders.

And Allah knows best.
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 11:38am On Oct 08, 2016
Contact17:


I understand now.
Regarding imitating men, https://islamqa.info/en/11083

Perhaps the sandals were specifically for men alone. Trousers aren't specifically for men because they are worn by both genders.

And Allah knows best.

Before this modern era, were trousers worn by both men and women?

*modified* ↓↓

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 11:47am On Oct 08, 2016
^^ well since it is considered as a clothing for both sexes, then its not wrong, I just thought of that now, just as how the society one lives determines what "travel" means, the same way male or female clothes are determined by the society except if there is a clear sharee'ah text prohibiting it.

With that thought, I am now convinced that wearing trousers that are for females at home is allowed.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by APCsupporter: 1:35pm On Oct 08, 2016
Jazakallahu Khairan. I always learn new things in this section. Wish I was serious back then cry

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 1:40pm On Oct 08, 2016
APCsupporter:
Jazakallahu Khairan. I always learn new things in this section. Wish I was serious back then cry

Are you a female?
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 2:03pm On Oct 08, 2016
APCsupporter:
Jazakallahu Khairan. I always learn new things in this section. Wish I was serious back then cry

You can be serious now.....

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by APCsupporter: 5:42pm On Oct 08, 2016
lexiconkabir:


You can be serious now.....

Yes I have changed and I'm still changing. May Allah guide us.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by APCsupporter: 5:44pm On Oct 08, 2016
Contact17:


Are you a female?

No I'm male but I think I'm supposed to know all these considering the fact that I was born to a Muslim Family and I attended Islamiyya school

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 6:06pm On Oct 08, 2016
APCsupporter:


No I'm male but I think I'm supposed to know all these considering the fact that I was born to a Muslim Family and I attended Islamiyya school

Ohhh okay. I thought you were a woman.

@ bolded we all start from somewhere and we learn every day.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by excanny: 3:09pm On Oct 09, 2016
What purpose does the hijab serve?
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Sissie(f): 8:19pm On Oct 10, 2016
Male and female trousers are totally different

Male and female sandals are totally different

Male and female shoes are totally different


Except for unisex wears.

Alhamdulilah there are different views regarding covering the face. Imagine how restricted the female folks will be if all school of thought agreed covering the face was wajib.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Empiree: 3:51am On Oct 11, 2016
My lecture in college would say it is okay for woman to wear pant (trouser) provided she wears abaya over it to cover her contours. This is my view.

It is my view bcus, in this day and age when some men can't hold themselves and would go any length to r!pe. It is very important wear something down there to protect themselves from scavengers undecided

So there is nothing wrong if women should trouser
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by usermane(m): 4:41am On Oct 11, 2016
Peace

Forgive me, but I think someone ought to have mentioned this. Going by the mainstream orthodox interpretation of Hijab, Niqab is compulsory. There is proof for this in the Hadith. Here:

Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba: 'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."

►Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282: (Sahih Bukhari)

This is just one of the many Hadith that are clearly overlooked among the mainstream Muslim community.

Then there is an Hadith Tirmidhi that mention that a woman is awrah(nakeddness). If so, then her entire body including her face is unclothedness and have to be concealed.

I think within the fold of traditional Islam, there is enough proof mandating face-covering. Since majority of Muslim women don't wear it, we have many now claiming it is not mandatory.
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 10:51am On Oct 11, 2016
Empiree:
My lecture in college would say it is okay for woman to wear pant (trouser) provided she wears abaya over it to cover her contours. This is my view.

There is nothing wrong with it as far as hijab covers the trousers, it even help in making the dress opaque...

It is my view bcus, in this day and age when some men can't hold themselves and would go any length to r!pe. It is very important wear something down there to protect themselves from scavengers undecided

So there is nothing wrong if women should trouser

Its a scholarly view.
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 10:58am On Oct 11, 2016
I don't intend having long discussion with you...

usermane:
Peace

Forgive me, but I think someone ought to have mentioned this. Going by the mainstream orthodox interpretation of Hijab, Niqab is compulsory. There is proof for this in the Hadith. Here:

As you can see I held this view too, until I found another reliable hadith which as followers of sunnah we can't downplay.

Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba: 'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."

►Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282: (Sahih Bukhari)

Covering the faces is recommended and I am sure I made mention of this, but it is not compulsory, there is no single sahih hadith directly from the prophet that says IT IS WAAJIB TO COVER THE FACE but we have a reliable hadith which specifically mentioned that the hands and the face can be left from the mouth of the prophet directly.

Then there is an Hadith Tirmidhi that mention that a woman is awrah(nakeddness). If so, then her entire body including her face is unclothedness and have to be concealed.

I think within the fold of traditional Islam, there is enough proof mandating face-covering. Since majority of Muslim women don't wear it, we have many now claiming it is not mandatory.

I have already explained that in the op, read it again.
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Empiree: 12:19pm On Oct 11, 2016
lexiconkabir:





Its a scholarly view.
Good
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by tintingz(m): 11:28am On Oct 12, 2016
Scottish men wear skirt.

Indonesia men wear skirt.

And many other culture.

Who's imitating who?

If I decide to keep long hair, some shiekh will criticize me for keeping long hair because I'm imitating women meanwhile keeping shoulder length hair was not forbidden anywhere in hadiths even braiding.

Covering the face, hand is not compulsory, in my society it will be hard for a muslim woman to be employed covering her face and hand.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 11:34am On Oct 12, 2016
smiley

tintingz:
Scottish men wear skirt.

Indonesia men wear skirt.

And many other culture.

Who's imitating who?

If I decide to keep long hair, some shiekh will criticize me for keeping long hair because I'm imitating women meanwhile keeping shoulder length hair was not forbidden anywhere in hadiths even braiding.

Covering the face, hand is not compulsory, in my society it will be hard for a muslim woman to be employed covering her face and hand.

so what exactly is your point?

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by tintingz(m): 12:28pm On Oct 12, 2016
lexiconkabir:
smiley



so what exactly is your point?
Society and culture when it comes to dressing.

E.g a western convert woman will find it hard to wear burqa.

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 12:52pm On Oct 12, 2016
tintingz:
Society and culture when it comes to dressing.

E.g a western convert woman will find it hard to wear burqa.


No Ahlus sunnah shaykh will criticize you for keeping your hair, rather you will be criticized for styling it like a woman, which includes braiding.

if we are to use your culture argument, then braiding of the hair for men would be bad here in Nigeria because nobody will regard you as responsible individual for braiding your hair.

Islam did not come to eradicate culture rather it came to purify culture from corruption, so any culture that contradicts Islam is discarded

also it is clearly stated that there will come a time where shaytan makes the good look bad and the bad look good

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Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by tintingz(m): 1:56pm On Oct 12, 2016
lexiconkabir:



No Ahlus sunnah shaykh will criticize you for keeping your hair, rather you will be criticized for styling it like a woman, which includes braiding.

if we are to use your culture argument, then braiding of the hair for men would be bad here in Nigeria because nobody will regard you as responsible individual for braiding your hair.

Islam did not come to eradicate culture rather it came to purify culture from corruption, so any culture that contradicts Islam is discarded

also it is clearly stated that there will come a time where shaytan makes the good look bad and the bad look good
But I read in hadith that the Prophet(SA) use to braid his long hair into four or am I wrong?
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 2:42pm On Oct 12, 2016
tintingz:
But I read in hadith that the Prophet(SA) use to braid his long hair into four or am I wrong?

yes there is such an hadith, and what about it?
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by tintingz(m): 3:08pm On Oct 12, 2016
lexiconkabir:


yes there is such an hadith, and what about it?
So what's wrong for me to braid my hair and why will some shiekh critisize me for doing such?
Re: The Correct Hijab – Hands And Face Covered Or Not? by Nobody: 3:10pm On Oct 12, 2016
tintingz:
So what's wrong for me to braid my hair and why will some shiekh critisize me for doing such?

in your society is braiding of hair exclusively for women?

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